Election Day is oming - do you know who you are voting for and WHY?

[luvmytrakehnerwb]

Blinky...to answer your question...THE BEST THING ABOUT KERRY IS...HES NOT BUSH!~ And I really do plan on moving out of the USA if Bush wins. I will be too afraid to live here with him as our leader once again. It will just prove that we live in a country full of morons, and I will be too ashamed to be considered an American.

[Atypical]

In response to my previous question,
Tax breaks? Yeah, that 500 dollars my parents got back have really helped them out broke the bank even.

As for improving highger education, you're definitely not in it now. My school is cutting classes, cutting tenured professors so I can be taught by grad students and adjuncts, and raising tuition AGAIN. May I remind that Bush also cut Pell Grants, before he put money back into them so he could look good of course.

As to the wars, I wouldn't call either one a success. Yes, many Iraqi's are happy to no longer have Saddam, but at the same time, they all want us to leave, and most don't give a damn about democracy. Again, I reiterate that I find it incredibly arrogant to assume that our way is the only way to do it and that they'll be happier eventually, when they realize we're only forcing on them whats best.

Privatizing social security? Bad idea.

And he has not helped the economy. Most of the jobs added have been laregly retail and sale, look at Ohio for the gaps with manufacturing, or talk to my mother about large tech companies outsourcing to India.

Kerry, as to why I like him.

I would much prefer him choosing Supreme COurt Justices. I think he is a reasonable, sound minded man willing to look at situations from many respects. As to the flip flop, i don't think he has much and besides even that, 'changing your mind is one of the best ways to know you still have one." The man does not ignore new pieces of intel, but rather tries to adjust his game plan based on the newest info.

he will be better on the environment bar none, and I dare anyone to argue with that. I am pro choice. The man has a lifelong record of public service for this country, and is not afraid to stand up for what he believes is right.

[relocatedTXjumpr]

Could someone please tell me how much time your employer is to allow you to vote? We were told TODAY that we could come in one hour late, or leave one hour early, without pay to vote.

Many people seem to think yuo are to be allowed at least two hours.

[blueboo]

Well Blinky,

Number one: He THINKS. and his wife thinks too.

Number two: Knee Jerk is fine if you have a doctor tapping on your leg with a rubber mallet. It's not so hot when OTHER people's lives are on the line.

Number three: Gut reactions are fine - provided they are the result of years of thought and learning and experience percolating up through your awareness (see reason number one above)as opposed to I'm not sure quite what - celestial voices maybe?. No one, not even his friends has ever accused GW of being either a reader or a thinker.

Number four. I don't like liars. And if he's not lying, he's even more stupid than he appears.

Number five. Yes, I'm an American born and bred, and yes, this is for the most part a pretty good place to live (and I'll grant you it's a lot better than a lot of places) BUT.....it's not the only nice place on earth - it's not the only place with thoughtful, kind, thinking feeling people living in it, or the most beautiful scenery, or the most impressive monuments. It's not the be all and end all of life on earth, or even the 20/21stth century. Someone once told me, and it's true if you think about it - anytime someone disagrees with you, you have a 50 percent chance of being wrong - any math whizes out there want to calculate the percentage of the odds of our nation (government) being wrong in this one with how many disagreeing with us? At least to admit the possibility? f not in the deed, at least in the method/timing?

Number six. We do not exist in a vaccum - (remember 911?) We'd damn well better get along in the playground or first thing we know there'll either not be a playground at all, or someone (or a group of someones) is going to shove our face in the sand and sit on us until we agree to play nicely. I truly believe that Kerry has the grace, culture, background, personality and intellegence to speak as an equal with the rest of the world, and if not persuade them to our point of view, at least not to make enemys of them.

Number seven. A person is judged by the company he/she keeps and the counsel they take. I have vast admiration for Condie Rice and what she's accomplished, but I can't get over her stating that "Well, yes, I knew there was some discrepancies in the intellegence information before the war - but I' don't know what they were." This is SHOCKING! It was her job for God's sake. She's one of if not the top advisor to the president of the united states! Why didn't she know? Was it because GW would brook no argument and she wasn't going to 'rock the boat'? In my personal opinion, that says more about GW than it ever could about Condie. I still would like to know why Colin Powell has been relegated to a roving ambassador.

Number eight. I don't know if Kerry can actually do anything to improve/save the environment, but I'd be willing to bet he'll at least try, as opposed to willfully destroying it.

Number nine. I don't like incest - and the Bush family ties to the middle east, Cheney's ties to energy companies and the whole Haliburton mess just smack of, if not an incestuous relationship, certainly something that shouldn't be allowed in polite society.

Number ten. Grudges are all very well and good in private live (albiet a waste of time imo) they have zero place when it comes putting lives at risk on a wholesale manner.

I could go on, but that's enough for now.

[ClaraLuisa]

Good,good thread-- thank you guys for the "small d" democratic debate. I just wish more of the electorate was thinking this much tonight.

[J. Turner]

ClaraLuisa - How I miss Cambridge! We lived on Cambridge Street.

We are not getting anytime off to vote, but then again, I am a teacher. Don't you think it would be a good lesson for kids to see teachers voting (no matter which way).

[blueboo]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ClaraLuisa:
Good,good thread-- thank you guys for the "small d" democratic debate. I just wish more of the electorate was thinking this much tonight. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I just hope some of them are thinking at all!

[Magnolia]

Why I'm voting for Kerry- no Bush Bashing.

1. I really like John Edwards. He seems very kind and sincere.

2. I believe Kerry will help us on a global basis. We need friends and allies.

3. Kerry will be easier on our environment.

4. I believe in the right to choose.

5. I like that he agonizes over decisions and is willing to analyze and change course if needed.

6. He seems very smart, much like Clinton. Clinton had 8 good years.

[akrogirl]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by relocatedTXjumpr:
Could someone please tell me how much time your employer is to allow you to vote? We were told TODAY that we could come in one hour late, or leave one hour early, without pay to vote.

Many people seem to think yuo are to be allowed at least two hours. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This web site gives the state by state laws governing voting rights

[SimpsoMatt]

Speaking of voting rights, I just learned something today. I swear this is no joke, here's a link to verify it.

Kentucky's constitution specifies that "idiots and insane persons" are not allowed to vote!!!

So, I just can't resist asking, why is the state predicted to vote for Bush???

[EarthTo?]

To answer the two original questions way back at the beginning of this thread: yes and yes.

[Beezer]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CessnaPilot:
This is the part I love about most Liberals, they REFUSE to admit that Saddam might have had WMD's, even in limited amounts. What about the tens of thousands of Kurds he gassed? How did he do that? Bottom line is - he had them, and NOBODY can account for how many or few are floating in Iraq.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Another liberal probably already beat me to this, but what the hey.

This liberal is willing to acknowlege that Hussein might have had them. Probably did, given that we sold them to him. Nonetheless, he did not use them on us, so we had no justification for going in there, other than he was a bad man and the Bush family didn't like him overmuch.

Of course, we also have WMDs. So do several other countries. Are we going to invade ourself next?

Now ... will you acknowlege that the war was perhaps not as billed?

[xegeba]

Has anyone considered that the Iraq war was just a dress rehearsal? You know, try out all the new gadgets to see if they work. I'm sure it has nothing to do with the little guy over in Korea...

[Snowbird]

Yes! but the catch is certifying them. You see idiot is relative to the intelligence curve. Maybe in Kentucky the average is so low there is no such thing as an idiot IQ. And insanity is another one of theose abstractions.

Insane is just someone who isn't the same as the run of society. If there are more off-track than those who are sensible the sensibles would be considered insane because there were less of them.

How about that New Jersey is going for Bush. This state hasn't been Republican since Dwight Eisenhower. You guys better get ready to eat crow or start packing.

By the way Osama bin Laden said we were all going to die no matter who won the election, it wouldn't change his mind.

[xegeba]

Now Snowbird, the law in Kentucky says nothing about VOTING for the idiot. As far as I can tell, there is no law that bans an idiot from running for office.

[Beezer]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Snowbird:
By the way Osama bin Laden said we were all going to die no matter who won the election, it wouldn't change his mind. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Please show me where he said that? I believe that according to the taped message, he said "our" security was in "our" hands. I don't recall him saying anything about us dying as a direct result of the election, although it is true that we all WILL die sometime.

[Snowbird]

Well he said that he would attack and it didn't matter who got elected unless we change our ways. I would assume we'd have to change our ways to agree with him and since we're not likely to do that he will come back with another attack no matter who get's elected.
Essentially that was the translation on CNN.

After belly button rings and mini-skirts I can't imagine American women in those robes and masks. He considers anything else sinful for women.

[silver]

Snowbird I don't think that anyone disagrees that Osama Bin Laden is mad as a hatter. He is, however, a free madman and I blame Bush and Co for that, as they made the decision not to commit to going after him and instead to invade Iraq. A few months ago Bush said that he didn't care where Osama was and in fact "didn't think about him". That was clearly stupid.

At this point Bush has no credibility abroad or with much of the military and business communities at home. Even if the had the best plan ever for defending the country and fixing Iraq I doubt he'd be able to implement it. There is no reason that a new president can't continue to work with the best people currently involved in Iraq, but Bush as a symbol of incompetent empire building needs to go.

[Stellaspeed]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/...ape/index.html
I have to admit Bin Laden scores a few points in his video. Bush could have cared less about the Kurds that Hussein gassed. The CIA left the Kurds dangling in the wind to die. Bin Laden correctly points out that this war was about oil and corporate profit, not civil rights. We Americans are perceived world wide as having the collective attention spans of hamsters, remember the Taliban? The fact is, the biggest menace in the middle east is Saudi Arabia with al of their madrassas spewing hatred...that's what spawned Bin Laden. The only ray of hope in the Middle East right now is that there is a small window of opportunity opening with the illness of Arafat.It might give both the Palestinians and the Israeli's to make some historic changes to diffuse the situation there that has been the core catalyst for terror. Sharon's carte blanche with this administration has caused more problems than Saddam ever did.
Bush needs to go.

[BelladonnaLily]

I haven't been in this discussion, and really have no plans to participate in it past this post (after all, I need to get to the polls).

It sounds an awful lot (not just on here) like there is some "Osama appeasing" going on. So BUSH is who he's mad at and voting for him is going to cause problems? The "states" (whichever definition he chooses) are in trouble if they support Bush? Let's all vote for Kerry because he'll definitely appease Osama and all of the radical Muslims and do whatever to make THEM happy? Then we'll all be safe?

Give me a break. Osama can shove his opinion up his ass, right along with his ballot for John Kerry. He lost any compassion I MIGHT have for their plight on 9/11.

JMHO.