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  • Worried about bringing this up, no harm intended, just curious

    New here. Long-time PNW trail rider, don't show or compete or breed horses or have any kind of horse business whatsoever, but I read here about the "Spink" problem a couple years ago.

    I found out that Spink's former farm manager, or one of them, is now running a nonprofit equine "rescue" in Junction City, Oregon. Name of the farm is the same as Spink's former farm in Washington. The equine rescue in Oregon supposedly is paired with their self-described program of "helping at-risk kids" and per their website has drawn in some high profile sponsors.

    Having read what I read in the Chronicle forums and otherwhere about Spink and also having read that Spink had a business relationship with the person in charge of this "rescue" and also noting that the farm names are the same, and also understanding Spink's prison time was done within less than 100 miles of the "rescue" and that supposedly Spink was released from prison last spring....should any of this be of concern to anyone? All of this raised red flags for me but maybe it's just me. I don't want to discredit someone running a legitimate horse rescue or at-risk kids program but the connection seems a little too coincidental - just my opinion. I am asking others for their opinions, not trying to slander or libel anyone. In my opinion if there was no connection why would the new "rescue" be using the same name as the now infamous Washington location?

  • #2
    Yikes.

    Why not name the rescue?
    "Random capitAlization really Makes my day." -- AndNirina

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    • #3
      I think I know who you are talking about. Is it "F"?

      This person used to board with me back in the day and I was shocked to find out they were involved in business with Spink after they had moved on. I had later heard about them getting a non profit designation.

      If it's who I think it is, I'd say I'd also worry about the non profit perhaps not being as legit as it seems.



      Keep an eye on it would be my advice.
      "Aye God, Woodrow..."

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      • #4
        Well if the name of the rescue is the same as Spink's old farm it's pretty obvious...Exitpoint Stallions wasn't it?

        Why on God's green earth anyone would chose to use that name for a rescue or anything else horse-related especially knowing the whole disgusting saga attached to that name and that man...you'd have to know some pretty nasty, disturbing stuff is going to pop right up on top of a google search if anyone decides to check you out.

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        • #5
          They must not have an internet presence as "exitpoint rescue/farm/etc." because a google search got me nothing. Why not tell us the name? I'd like to know more about this situation, as I'm a local, sort of.
          Proud member of the "Don't rush to kill wildlife" clique!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Long Spot View Post
            I think I know who you are talking about. Is it "F"?

            This person used to board with me back in the day and I was shocked to find out they were involved in business with Spink after they had moved on. I had later heard about them getting a non profit designation.

            If it's who I think it is, I'd say I'd also worry about the non profit perhaps not being as legit as it seems.



            Keep an eye on it would be my advice.
            What she said.

            Also, if you give us the name of the rescue we can search and see if it is indeed a non-profit.
            Michael: Seems the people who burned me want me for a job.
            Sam: A job? Does it pay?
            Michael: Nah, it's more of a "we'll kill you if you don't do it" type of thing.
            Sam: Oh. I've never liked those.

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            • #7
              If it's at risk kids, it's all the more reason to be concerned. These kids can't afford to be mixed up with more problems.

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              • #8
                Hmmmm....yep, what's the website?? JC is off the interstate a few miles. There are members on this board 'sort of' close who could take a lookie-loo if they knew where it was located. They are closer than I at any rate. I don't know that much about JC, I used to pick up and deliver things when I drove a big rig there, but I was on the truck route and really didn't see much or get to know the area.
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                  #9
                  Because I do not want to get sued if in fact the rescue is completely legitimate. Please PM me for the name. "Exitpoint" or variations on that name apparently - according to my research - was actually the name of the stallion promotion business. The farm name of the Whatcom County, Washington facility where some of the worst crimes occurred including bringing in paying "visitors" all of which were detailed in public news media was another name.

                  And the former business associate's first name does start with an "F". I do not know if that is the real name or a made-up one as the last name could be one co-opted on purpose from a foreign language - or, not. I repeat - I do not want to challenge what very well may be a legitimate horse rescue and a legitimate commitment to help at-risk (particularly teen) children. BUT I do have to wonder about the coincidence of all this, the proximity of Spink's incarceration (haven't been able to determine if he really did get released at the time news reports indicated he would be), and especially wonder whether sponsors are really checking fully on who they donate to especially when their logos are all over the rescue's website.

                  How this came to my attention, there was an article in the local newspaper regarding fundraising activities and the article provided the website's name "for further information." I believe the article was from a press release as it had that "tone" (don't know for sure and it didn't have a by-line). When I saw the website name it triggered a memory and I went searching and found what I personally feel are too many coincidences. Again - just my opinion because my personal red flags went up.

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                  • #10
                    I remember Spink posting here, and the thread when he was arrested. But even a quick Google search of articles doesn't turn up a farm name other than Exitpoint. What it does mention, though, is that in addition to the animals, there was child pornography found as well. Depending on how involved this other party had been with Spink, that might worry me, too.

                    Then again, maybe this is someone who got involved when Spink was promoting a couple of very nice stallions, realized how mucked up the whole situation really was, and got out. If that's the case, they shouldn't be tarred and feathered with the same brush Spink absolutely should be. I know a couple of people who bred to the stallion when Kyle King was competing it, who knew nothing about the whole Spink mess.

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                    • #11
                      Stop worrying about being sued. All you are trying to find out is if the rescue is related to Spink and I guess, unindicted co-conspirators? That should be fairly easy. It is not going to come back to you if you just start out by looking to see if the "at risk kids" is a come on, just do the reserach into the legitimacy in terms of tax status via the normal route, same goes for the name of the equine rescue, if the two are separate, that might be your first clue that they are trying two differenct organizations. Why not just link the article in the newspaper so others can do it. If you are concerned about legal harrassment, that can happen via a PM as well so you are not covered that way. All they would have to do is to have the COTH deliver what is also a public conveyance as a private message on a public sponsored bulletin board would be.

                      This is very sick stuff that happened, shades of University of Pa with at risk kids, how horrifying if Spink is linked to this in any way. Gag. Thank you for being concerned enough to give a heads up.
                      "We, too, will be remembered not for victories or defeats in battle or in politics, but for our contribution to the human spirit." JFK

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                        #12
                        Excuse me. "Stop worrying about being sued"?? Surely you jest! Given that I have limited income and cannot afford a $300+ per hour attorney to defend me from litigious persons who may or may not have a claim against me - which I would have to pay to defend even if a court decided my concerns were well grounded, I am being extremely circumspect here. I have expressed my concerns while attempting to be diplomatic about what may be in actuality a legitimate charitable organization. Everyone who considers contributing to any charitable organization needs to fully investigate that organization before contributing - I think that's pretty much a given in today's increasingly unpleasant and occasionally predatory society. I suggest anyone looking at the organization mentioned in my posts google the name of the directors and check their backgrounds. One of this organization's directors has approximately decade-long business association with Spink.

                        Updated public information is that Spink's release date is supposedly some time in November this year.

                        I have an acquaintance with ties to federal law enforcement that I intend to discuss this with as soon as I am able to do so. Again - my personal opinion only is that there are some red flags based upon information available to the public if any member of the public cares to dig past the surface.

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                        • #13
                          All you have to do is say, "there is a rescue called XYZ that is operated by John Doe."

                          You aren't saying, "there is a rescue called XYS that is operated by John Doe that is doing illegal things with Spink."

                          By saying you are afraid of being sued, will speak with an LEO, etc. but STILL asked this question, it is as if you are saying, "we haven't had a good trainwreck in awhile. Let me start one."
                          If wishes were horses then beggars would ride...
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                          Originally posted by talkofthetown
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                          • #14
                            Right, Hydrophile said it better. All you are doing is looking at the legitimacy of an organization. It is silly to worry about that since anyone who makes a contribution does that. Just don't go blabbing about it on a public bulletin board if you are concerned. Just sounds like to you want to start a pile on or garner attention, negative or otherwise.

                            Just read the part about the federal government blah, blah, blah. You are not doing anyone including your friend any favors with all of this silly talk.
                            "We, too, will be remembered not for victories or defeats in battle or in politics, but for our contribution to the human spirit." JFK

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                              #15
                              Well - I believe this IS a public BB and I'm not going to set aside circumspection, sorry. If anyone wants to follow through with the information they are welcome to spend some time researching the situation, just as I did.

                              And please understand, Calamber, I am not trying to do anyone "any favors" and your sarcasm missed its intended target. In thinking about an appropriate course of action I thought to perhaps alert any assigned probation officer to "possibilities". As I don't know any such officers of the court but an acquaintance "with ties" does, it seemed that might be an appropriate thing to do. There aren't any "favors" involved anywhere except within certain mentalities that too easily latch onto conspiracy theories.

                              I posted my concern about a situation which raised red flags to me, based on opinion formed from reading public information in this forum and in news media reports (and some online case research). In the short time since I raised this issue to what I apparently mistakenly believed was a responsible, caring horse-loving community with its own knowledge of past unsavory activities and possible business connections, I have managed (in the space of one page of a thread) to be in essence accused of cowardice for not engaging in libel. You all have previously seen what happens when names are named in a public forum; there are threats of lawyering up thrown all over the place (including at this forum) and the last thing I wanted to do was draw a lock from a mod or any such threats.

                              Clearly, I was mistaken to think that a community of supposedly responsible horse lovers possibly also might be concerned. I guess people would prefer to take the easy way out by insulting someone who is expressing an opinion formed by reading what originally appeared in this forum and in the news media. The easy out is to accuse a concerned person of attempting to gain attention.

                              The more difficult task is to assess a potential problem and figure out the appropriate way to deal with it.

                              Since my idea appears to be a lame one, what would YOU suggest?

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                              • #16
                                Sent you a PM, RITR.
                                "Aye God, Woodrow..."

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by Riding inthe Rain View Post

                                  Clearly, I was mistaken to think that a community of supposedly responsible horse lovers possibly also might be concerned. I guess people would prefer to take the easy way out by insulting someone who is expressing an opinion formed by reading what originally appeared in this forum and in the news media. The easy out is to accuse a concerned person of attempting to gain attention.
                                  As you can see from the responses above, persons did perform searches on the internet for what you stated in your initial post, and they came up empty-handed.
                                  If wishes were horses then beggars would ride...
                                  DLA: Draft Lovers Anonymous
                                  Originally posted by talkofthetown
                                  As in, the majikal butterfly-fahting gypsy vanners.

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by Riding inthe Rain View Post
                                    How this came to my attention, there was an article in the local newspaper regarding fundraising activities and the article provided the website's name "for further information." I believe the article was from a press release as it had that "tone" (don't know for sure and it didn't have a by-line). When I saw the website name it triggered a memory and I went searching and found what I personally feel are too many coincidences. Again - just my opinion because my personal red flags went up.
                                    Ok, so just post a link to the article.
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                                    • #19
                                      .

                                      Article = quite old, - so I'm feeding the troll I guess.

                                      http://junctioncity.kval.com/news/co...classes/247655
                                      Originally posted by ExJumper
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                                      • #20
                                        Old article, OP is a new poster - or alter? - and farm website is current: http://www.threetreasuresfarms.org/. Veeeeeery interesting....
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