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  • #41
    I think letting her work off the difference is reasonable. If she is a good client and you like the horse and could use the extra hand doing whatever, then why not?

    It's not anyones business what your arrangement is. I have one client who owns a large pony and I have told her that barring any MAJOR increase in cost of materials, her board will not go up in future even if the general rate does. Why? Her pony eats no grain, very little hay (and he's fat), he's tidy in his stall and uses way less than the budgeted amount of bedding per stall, he doesn't get blanketed, only needs one water bucket, is easy to handle, mellow, pleasant and in general absolutely no problem whatsoever. Just a go with the flow easy-going dude who doesn't cost much in materials or labor. That is nobody elses business and if they have a problem with it, well... sorry but it's my barn.
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    • #42
      I would also vote for letting her work off board. I did that at two different barns to be able to afford my horse for a while.

      At one barn, I was working overnights at the time and would stop at the barn on my way home, bring everyone in, feed and hay to buy her a few extra hours of sleep. Horses got fed around 6:30am and were happy to stand in their stalls and munch hay for a couple hours so she didn't have to get up as early 5 days a week.

      At the other, I did stalls in the afternoon after work (I got off at 2pm) and then fed dinner. The barn owner went home around the time I got there.

      At both of them, I helped with whatever random projects popped up. Someone took down part of a fence? I was generally helping put it back up.

      The other boarders knew I worked off board, but didn't know the details (I paid my horses expenses a month which was about 1/5 the price of full board) of the agreement. No one had a problem with it at either barn.

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      • #43
        I say take a chance and help her out.

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        • #44
          Originally posted by Hpilot View Post
          By the time you post the intent to sell through auction (the law in our state, in which MP lives also) will probably not net anywhere near the amount owed in past unpaid board. JMHO
          Yep...but it's not caring for an "abandoned horse" any longer.
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          • #45
            I'm in the "let her work off board, with a detailed contract and clear expectations!" camp.

            I went through a rough patch years ago, and my former BO was kind enough to let me work off some board; she also charged me a reduced rate for a couple of months but never mentioned it (I found out later that she'd raised everyone's board but mine). I am forever grateful to her for those kindnesses.

            FWIW, I worked hard and in a pretty exacting manner at my tasks because I was so grateful and thrilled to keep my luxury item (an unsound, high-maintenance OTTB).

            Only you know if she is the kind of person who will appreciate a leg-up from you, so to speak, and not take advantage of your kindness. It sounds like you really like her; it might be worth it to both of you to offer a helping hand.

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            • #46
              Originally posted by ellebeaux View Post
              Can you ask her to work off the difference? That way she could maintain her dignity.
              Work for reduced board is common and something I always did when I boarded my horses. Don't give her a free ride but find something that works with her abilities and schedule until she/they are working again and can afford it.

              As far as other boarders it is none of their business who you let work off their board.

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              • #47
                Someone at my barn got laid off this year and everyone knows she is paying reduced board and working off the balance. The work is hard and none of us have an issue with this arrangement. Trust me she looks forward to the day she finds a new job and can go back to paying full board! When you are well over 50 hauling hay and buckets of water etc is no walk in the park...

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                • #48
                  If it's a good, long time boarder, do it. Let her work off the difference. If I'm not mistaken, you said your costs were covered. Better than 1) no money at all 2) replacing with an awful boarder.

                  Also, your other boarders don't have to know about it, and essentially she is just now hired help, so really, it is no different than her paying full board.
                  Last edited by ponysize; Oct. 11, 2012, 03:23 PM. Reason: .

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                    #49
                    Originally posted by red mares View Post
                    Exactly. Horses are a luxury. I would offer to help her sell him rather than lower board. Come December there could be A LOT of folks laid off in SE VA looking for work as well. Sorry to be grim.
                    Yikes, do you know something I don't?

                    She says she would put him down before she sold him, she has had him since he was 3 and he is 19 now. I also agree a lease is a good idea.

                    I don't offer anyone the chance to work off board, because if I offer one person.... also do not pasture/partial board.

                    Also for those who asked, she moved in in April, so not a long term boarder, but I only opened the barn in July of last year. Did have a few horses follow me from out old barn.
                    Lots to consider. At this point I can see a lot that could go wrong. As always I appreciate the diverse opinions offered, good food for thought.
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                    • #50
                      Do what you think is the right thing to do.... it may end up fine...it may not....

                      I've been THAT boarder...in the sense that I did not pay on time or not at all for several months (yes, BO knew beforehand) .... then when I could --I paid my debt and then some.

                      I'm so thankful that my BO has worked with me......My horse is most of my life---and when financial times got hard it was a blessing and relief when BO worked with me. I can't imagine being told "go down the road" after 4 years. I know it happens---and it is a business... but all of us need help at times.

                      I know there are many "scammers" out there....and sometimes it is impossible to discern the ones' that aren't.

                      I know this response was not what you were looking for as I am not a BO. Just wanted to say "from the other side" I couldn't be more thankful that my BO worked with me.

                      Good luck

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                      • #51
                        Originally posted by mpsbarnmanager View Post
                        I don't offer anyone the chance to work off board, because if I offer one person.... also do not pasture/partial board.
                        It is within your right to offer special circumstances to whomever you wish - this is not elementary school, you're not the teacher, etc, etc ...

                        Do this because you feel right about it, set up a contract, allow each party an "out" with 30 days notice, do offer her the opportunity to work off her board subsidy (doesn't have to be barnwork, maybe housecleaning, accounting, yardwork, errands or whatever you both agree on - maybe her husband has skills he can offer), have regular neetings to keep everything on track, if at any point, you're not happy, voice your concerns.

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                        • #52
                          I completely agree with the "my barn, my rules" philosophy, but I do feel that the rules--and any other policies, including pricing--whatever they are, should apply equally to all clients.

                          I have never found offering "special deals" to be beneficial in any way. The people who didn't get the special deal are upset, and the person who gets the special deal doesn't value it.

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                          • #53
                            I'm not a BO but my experience kind of on the other end of things:

                            I am able to keep one of my horses at my trainer's barn because she lets me do field board at a reduced rate and waives her training requirement (meaning I have no required number of lessons or training rides). I am one of two people at her barn that has some kind of special arrangement (the other is a working student). She will also sometimes use a barter system when people are looking for shorter term arrangements. I work for her when I can and try to make my horse's care as easy as possible and provide some of his food. I am incredibly thankful that she has chosen to create a way that I can keep my horse there.

                            From what I have experienced, as long as there is something in writing and the barn owner is happy with the arrangement it works.

                            I do agree that maybe helping her partial lease the horse may be helpful though.
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                            • #54
                              At 19, it's not likely that horse has many other attractive options out there, except maybe a free-lease to a lesson program that is in need of whatever he does...

                              Which isn't your problem but... seemed worth mentioning.

                              I can appreciate the fact you feel it's not right to offer to one what you won't offer to others but... it's your barn. You can always present it as "I had a need/opening for ONE person to help me around the farm and Suzie has the knowledge and the time to help me the way I need help". If anyone gives you lip, and you don't feel like kicking them out, you can always say "If I still need help on the farm if/when Suzie stops helping me, I will re-post the position". Unless you have other jobless boarders, you aren't likely to get too many interested if you make it a "full-time" job.

                              You can also say to her "Hey, Suzie, for the Dec, Jan and Feb, your board will be $X/month. At the end of that time, let's see where you're at and see if another arrangement will be suitable".

                              In 3 months, it's entirely possible that she will have found another job (especially with so much lead time to find one!). Her husband may have found a job. They may not, but they may also be in a more realistic frame of mind about the horse. I would be HORRIBLY upset if I lost my job and the first thing someone said to me was "Now you have to sell your horse".

                              If you are financial set up at your barn that you can afford to take less board from her for a period of time, it just seems like it would be a really kind thing to do. It's easy to say when I'm not the BO but... the world could use more nice gestures.

                              How you "cover it up" or "work it off/out" is between you, her, and your own Jimminy Cricket

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                              • #55
                                I'm for letting her work it off, but...I'd start with a month or two trial, have a clearly defined list of duties and expectations. I think I'd put a 6 month time limit on it, and then the contract would have to be renewed. No open ended agreements. And assume that she will tell someone. That's life.

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                                • #56
                                  I would help her out....at 300 per month it may not make you a lot of money, but geez, hook her up and help her out, when she gets back on her feet, she can go back to full price. When I bought an OTTB bred in Florida, the barn owner let me work off board for her on weekends. I had two horses boarded there, and I also have my own farm, but felt the new gal didn't need to be exposed to our tough Canadian winter right off the bat. We couldn't afford board on three horses, plus the upkeep on the 5 at home....it was hard, hard work, I did three jobs that winter, a full time and another part time...but that barn owner really helped us out and I appreciate it every day.
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                                  • #57
                                    I lean towards helping others. Yup, in business and in most areas. I tend to find when you are good to others, they will respond, if they are decent people.
                                    So, you need to assess if this boarder is a decent person and if you could use the extra help.
                                    In my previous life I did job function analysis and feel it is imperative to determine the value of a job based on the tasks. So, figure out what is the average pay for the kind of work you would like her to do, and then either pay by the job function or by the hour...with both agreeing in advance.

                                    I hope you would not take advantage of her...as so many barn owners tend to do. I have heard horror stories as a BO myself from people coming to work for me and what other local BO's pay or have them do.

                                    Some folks who have been treated well in similar situations have stated their forever gratefulness.
                                    I also think the world needs more kindness. I have to say I was a bit bothered by all the posts that said cut the relationship.

                                    If I was a fellow boarder, and heard about the BO doing something like this for another boarder, I would think quite highly of the BO. I probably would look to find ways to help out the BO or the boarder down on her luck.

                                    I may be contrarian to most posts, but I believe in the golden rule...do unto others as you would like done to you. You never know when you might need help.

                                    I am not suggesting being a sap or pawn...you are seeking a fair exchange where you both help each other.
                                    Now, if your going to take a loss and be financially hurt by this action, thats a whole other ball game.

                                    When you and hubby want to go out to eat or away...you have someone to ask to caretake. I see much win/win here.
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                                    • #58
                                      Provide a contract you can live with...

                                      In the end don't loan money, unless you can afford to kiss it away.

                                      If you can weather a time (spelled out in the contract) with less money and more physical help, then I see it as a win/win. If you NEED the money to make things work this is not for you.

                                      As far as the other boarders...at this time it is good for me to have extra help. Among the boarders, this is whom I have chosen to hire for the barn help position. If it comes up again at a later date, either you need help or you don't, or you have found more qualified help outside of the boarding population. I don't think you have to offer the same situation to every boarder, or to 1 out of every 6 boarders. How you run your barn is YOUR business. When you need help is dependent upon circumstances that boarders may/ or may not be privy to: illness, new hobbies, new job......All that matters is that the other boarders horses are taken care of to the letter of the boarding contract.

                                      As a side note, how far from the barn does the boarder live? Gas money could become a problem if they are both unemployed. It is hard to know how much of a nest egg they have set aside for emergencies. $300 a month could become a problem in a very short period of time.

                                      This may be a very polite way for the boarder to have a way out of your boarding relationship without harming your personal relationship. The boarder may know that she is on a down hill spiral and just looking for an easy out without ruining your image of her.

                                      It all comes down to your skills at reading people.

                                      I wish you the best judgement in this situation. You could come from this a hero....helping an honorable horse person keeping hold of their dream, or a zero.....you could get taken for $$$ and be very resentful.

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                                      • #59
                                        Just wondering if boarder's newly unemployed husband has any skills that would be worth bartering for reduced board? Seems like many of my friends have husbands that have lots of useful skills (whether it's their current job or not).

                                        Would still work out a contract for him, but it's just another possibility and might help eliminate the other boarders from the "paid barn help" equation.

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                                        • #60
                                          If it won't put YOU in a bind, I think it would be reasonable to draw something up for a set period at a lower rate. She has a heads up that she'll be laid off in December and she may be able to find something, even PT by then. So maybe do a 3 mo period and re-evaluate at that time.

                                          She didn't ask for a lower rate, she realized that she had to reduce expenses and started making arrangements. That speaks to responsibility IMHO.

                                          For those who say a horse is a luxury and she should get rid of the horse now--I hear ya, but there's no indication here that this gal is at risk of living in a cardboard box if she doesn't get rid of the horse. My husband was laid off a few years ago, I did rehome one horse. Kept my older mare. I worked PT to cover my horse expenses. Just because there's a job loss doesn't mean you have to get rid of your horses--you just have to do what it takes to keep them.
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