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  • #21
    Originally posted by Linz Rae View Post
    As stated above do a contract. But in it put a clause that if she were to tell anyone it voids the deal. That way she would be scared to tell anyone cause it turns it around that she loses out. Not you worrying about your business reputation.
    There's no reason other people cannot know about her arrangement to work off board.

    Secrets and different board amounts, on the other hand, will only lead to no good, contract or no contract.
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    • #22
      MBM, shot you PM.
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      • #23
        Originally posted by ellebeaux View Post
        Can you ask her to work off the difference? That way she could maintain her dignity.
        If I had a boarder that was "the perfect boarder," I would try to help them out. We've been burned before trying to "help people out," but that doesn't stop us from continuing to try. We just make sure details are in writing with both parties signing the agreement. Put in a "time clause" of x number of months though.
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        • #24
          Something else to think about.......can you afford an abandoned horse? Even nice people have to do what they have to do in a tight financial situation!

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          • #25
            I had that same situation happen but it was, husband left me we have no money... so like the softie I am I gave them a rediculous low rate as long as they cme out and took care of their pony... guess what , she took him back just weeks later, never said a word to me. Has not been out in months to even brush the pony. I have sent her emails telling her to move the pony, just ignores me and keeps sending the cheap board payment... so don't do it....
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            • #26
              Originally posted by Hpilot View Post
              Something else to think about.......can you afford an abandoned horse? Even nice people have to do what they have to do in a tight financial situation!
              ^ I would hope there would be a clause in the existing boarding agreement about stableman's liens.
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              • #27
                I dunno, I had a boarder who was diagnosed w/advanced cancer (in her 40's!) who had HUGE medical bills. I worked with her, and yes, she was behind in her board frequently but by the time her horse had to be put down (I have a retirement farm) she was current. (In fact, on thinking back about it I told her to not worry about the board, that her horse always had a place at my farm -- and she did not take advantage of that at all, as I said she ended up owing nothing. We both treated each other well, and how we'd want to be treated.)

                Sometimes it is the right thing to do, sometimes not, probably depending on the character of the person you are helping. Only the OP can judge that.
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                • #28
                  Originally posted by HydroPHILE View Post
                  ^ I would hope there would be a clause in the existing boarding agreement about stableman's liens.
                  By the time you post the intent to sell through auction (the law in our state, in which MP lives also) will probably not net anywhere near the amount owed in past unpaid board. JMHO

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                  • #29
                    What you do for one you need to do for others- if this gets out it will be an issue. The biggest problem as a boarder is when people start playing favorites.

                    it WILL get out, promise. Contracts to me aren't worth much in a drama-infested pool we call a boarding barn.

                    Nice idea that sounds good but in reality I doubt it will work as you think it will.

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by Trakehner View Post
                      What she sadly needs to do is sell her horse. Her husband lost his job, she's losing hers and she's keeping her horse at $300 month...forget the additional costs of vet/shoeing etc. added to just the board.

                      Reality may be rearing it's ugly head...but board is the least of her worries at this point.
                      I agree with this.

                      Also agree that IF you do it, you have to put a firm end date & Stick To It: I can give you reduced board for 3 months or until you're working, whichever is shorter, but as of March 1 (or whenever) board is back to $475. Don't be surprised if she then leaves in a huff on March 1.

                      If boarding is your business, though, this will come bite you in the butt. Word will be out pronto and your other boarders will of course expect the same treatment when they fall on rough times. Are you prepared for that?

                      IMHO the best option for you is to commiserate, wish her all the best, say you fully understand, and you so hope that when she & her husband are back on their feet that she comes back to your place as she's a great boarder and you'd so love to have her at your place, but you understand it's just not possible for her now.

                      Good luck.

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                      • #31
                        Can you move her to a pasture board situation?

                        I don't know, I wouldn't resent it if my BO lowered board for someone going thru tough times. What you pay is between you and the owner, and not my business. That is actually less aggravating then people who "work off board" and then do a crappy job caring for my horse.

                        If you like her, if the reduced board won't have you reducing the quality of care, or feeling financial pain and you WANT to do it, do it. Have a new contract though, good for 6 months (or however long). Be clear it's a special circumstance.

                        And not everyone talks. I went from stall to pasture board and was hesitant to tell anyone that I pasture boarded or what I paid. I figure if someone was curious, they could ask the BO.

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                        • #32
                          Originally posted by blackstallion2 View Post
                          If horse is nice and ridable, perhaps a lease would be a more suitable suggestion to help pay horses bills for a while and keeping her at your place. Lesson horse? Part or full lease for 6 months?
                          Good ideas. That's a nice option.

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                          • #33
                            What I charge a boarder is my business and the boarder, but that being said, there is only two rates and they are 25.00 dollars apart. It depends on how long you have boarded with me. Older boarders the price remained but a few years ago new boarders pay 25.00 more.

                            I had two boarders (mom and daughter) who I gave a reduced board to when they went through some hard times and were trying to sell both horses. I let them pay I think it was 150.00. If the other boarders found out they wouldn't have cared, as we all loved the two of them and we understood what they were going through and everyone wanted to help them.

                            It would really depend on the boarder and the circumstances. I am blessed in that everything is paid for and have money in the bank, so the board makes my 5 horses "free" and I have people to ride and visit with. My board is pretty cheap to begin with.
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                            • #34
                              Wow, not agreeing on 'what you do for one you have to do for others' idea. It is not necessary to offer a deal to everyone who asks. It just isn't. In extreme cases, at the owner's discretion, a kind deal (allowing the boarder to work off some of the board or whatever) can be made that is offered to no one else, and it doesn't have to be a secret.

                              To the original question, I'd encourage her to lease out her horse first and give that a month to work, then, if needed, I'd write up a simple and clear contract of expectations in plain english with an end date. She hasn't even lost her job yet. She might have a new one before she even is unemployed. Her husband could be hired tomorrow. I'd just really take a breath about it and keep the lines of communication open. We don't know, maybe she wouldn't take what she might see as "charity". Maybe she secretly wants to move to the other barn and was just white lying about loving it at this barn (probably not likely, but one never knows.) Anyway, I'd just talk (and listen) to her. How about lunch?
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                              • #35
                                My BO has done similar things for people. Fortunately all the cases that I know about have turned out positive. Everyone that he has helped have been truly grateful and will now bend over backwards to help him out. Yes, he still has some people abandon horses from time to time, but it has never been one of boarders that has been proactive and told him their situation and asked if they could have a different payment schedule, work off board, pay late for a few months, etc. Of course, part of that is he can read people and knows when someone's trying to take advantage of him, but if he knows that you're going to come through on your end, he's flexible. So if you really like her and she's been an excellent boarder up to this point, I'd say give her a chance.

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                                • #36
                                  Doing a kindness is fraught with risk, which doesn't mean you shouldn't do it. I'd work it out with her, and the heck with the other boarders, for whom it is not their business.

                                  I wouldn't let the risk stop me, in this case.

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                                  • #37
                                    I didn't see that SHE is unemployed, I thought it was only the husband who was recently laid off. Although maybe she didn't work to start with -?

                                    My thought is to go with your gut, and offer to let her and/or her husband to work off either all the board, or the difference ($175/month) - depending on how much help vs. moolah you need. Put it in writing, and put an initial time limit on this arrangement. You can always extend it.
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                                    • #38
                                      I agree with those saying allow her to work off the difference. Additional barn help is worth its weight in gold. Plus, you can get her to farmsit if you go out of town and add that to her hours, etc.

                                      Yes, horses are a luxury. However, they are also a tool for mental health maintenance for many people. I am currently in a work for board/feed situation. My BO is incredibly generous, and in return, I do my barn duties but am also there to do just about anything else at the drop of a hat. I farmsit all the time, and that is counted toward my working hours.

                                      I don't think that this woman should sell her horse and give up completely just yet. If she had 3 or 4 of them, sure. But just one? Come on.
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                                      • #39
                                        Originally posted by Camstock View Post
                                        Wow, not agreeing on 'what you do for one you have to do for others' idea. It is not necessary to offer a deal to everyone who asks. It just isn't.
                                        Seems to me people here are not saying that you HAVE to do it for others, that of course your barn/your rules. People are saying that it's the OTHER people who will be upset because you're NOT doing it for them. Sure, depends on the barn, but there are far too many drama llamas in boarding situations.

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                                        • #40
                                          this is my worst nightmare, and reminds me why i should always have a few acres at home just in case.
                                          good luck, i know your heart is in the right place.

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