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  • Originally posted by europa View Post
    The only thing I have found is that 9.5 is the maximum for shanks....that is all. Correct me if I am wrong because I am too cheap to pay anything to an association that is made up of fat men over 40 riding 2 year olds! OOPS that was my outside voice wasn't it? HA HA ME BAD
    You don't want to support this? Why not? By the way, this is a 2 yr old colt. That dude could lock his spurs under the horse's belly.
    http://www.shaneshifletphoto.com/sho...rs08/65-28.jpg

    Or this one! Another 2 yr old
    http://www.shaneshifletphoto.com/sho...rs08/65-15.jpg
    Wow, how exactly does one give leg cues?

    http://www.shaneshifletphoto.com/sho...rs08/72-07.jpg

    Wouldn't common sense tell you that if you can snag your horse in the sheath, then perhaps you are too big for said horse?

    Teenie babies (yearling) in shoeing packages already. Nice.
    http://www.shaneshifletphoto.com/sho...rs08/42-18.jpg

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    • Originally posted by rugbygirl View Post
      To further DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho", the licking and chewing also indicates a relaxed jaw. The horse accepts contact and is light in the mouth.

      When a horse's mouth gapes, it is beacause they are avoiding pain...not by relaxing. They can't get away from those long-shanked curbs on the tongue and bars...which also poke them in the palate if they have high/narrow ports. With a jointed mouthpiece, you get pinching of the tongue and sometimes a "nutcracker" effect on the palate.
      Like in the photos linked here?


      http://horsesforlife.com/RollkurPictogram

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      • Here we go! A realy "happy" horse going in his 5 ring elevator! This is a 3 yr old.
        http://www.shaneshifletphoto.com/sho...rs08/49-41.jpg

        COMPARE that bit to the bit shown in the original post on this thread. This bit has even MORE shank length than the one originally posted!! :0 Sheesh

        Wonder if the dumbasses can even detect that their horse has long a winter hair coat in the middle of summer. Gee might be a medical problem that needs treatment. Maybe we should be taking the horse to the vet clinic instead of the trainer's show.

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        • Makes me have a sudden urge to cry out

          "There's your horse judge......There's your winner" WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

          I was at a show with my Uncle once (he gleefully regales me with his stories of hot mustard love.......he is actually proud of what he did to his horses) and a rider with a sequined number 00 rode but gettin it as they say and someone shouted " double ought (sp?) there's your winner judge"...............I about spewed my coffee laughing.

          And you haven't lived until you attend a speedracking class where they lay almost backwards on their horses! What a hoot!!
          The rider casts his heart over the fence,
          the horse jumps in pursuit of it.

          –Hans-Heinrich Isenbart

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          • Originally posted by Nun Ya View Post
            Like in the photos linked here?


            http://horsesforlife.com/RollkurPictogram
            NO self respecting dressage rider endorses this kind of abuse. There i a major portion of dressage riders today who would love to see Anky and Sjef tossed out of the dressage ring on their ears. I rode dressage most of my life, and what is shown on that page is NOT dressage. Period.

            And again, thanks for making my point. We, in other disciplines, are perfectly capable of calling foul on the few idiots within our sport that ruin the image for everyone. But you just keep laying down with the dogs. Why do you not make an effort to separate yourself from them?

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            • Originally posted by Auventera Two View Post

              Teenie babies (yearling) in shoeing packages already. Nice.
              http://www.shaneshifletphoto.com/sho...rs08/42-18.jpg
              Those are not "shoeing packages" It is a yearling show which is a keg shoe and a flat pad. There are weight limits and they cannot have anything more that 1 inch of pad and that is including the shoe.

              Again this is not about "big men" on 2 year olds or what style shoe a yearling is wearing, it is about bits. Try to focus and stay on track.

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              • Original Poster

                I've given up on trying to keep this on track. If you folks wanna holler and throw rocks at each other like children on a playground, go ahead. I'm not gonna be the responsible adult to break you up and put you in time out.
                Tell a Gelding. Ask a Stallion. Discuss it with a Mare... Pray if it's a Pony!

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                • http://www.photoreflect.com/pr3/orde...X020206&po=206

                  How do they go from this......to what the Big lick horses do without employing every illegal contraption they can think of?
                  The rider casts his heart over the fence,
                  the horse jumps in pursuit of it.

                  –Hans-Heinrich Isenbart

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                  • Originally posted by Auventera Two View Post
                    NO self respecting dressage rider endorses this kind of abuse. There i a major portion of dressage riders today who would love to see Anky and Sjef tossed out of the dressage ring on their ears. I rode dressage most of my life, and what is shown on that page is NOT dressage. Period.

                    And again, thanks for making my point. We, in other disciplines, are perfectly capable of calling foul on the few idiots within our sport that ruin the image for everyone. But you just keep laying down with the dogs. Why do you not make an effort to separate yourself from them?

                    Again I am confused by you. I thought you did endurance.

                    Now you are also a dressage expert and a TWH expert, OHH YEAH and you used to show QH's. WOW :wow: You are really an expert on all breeds and disciplines. A-M-A-Z-I-N-G.


                    But for humor.... since you know. If this is "bad image" in the dressage horse world, why are these photos taken in the show/warm up ring??? Why wouldn't these people be confronted with the way these horses have pure foam spilling out their mouths, noses pulled back to their chests, whites showing in their eyes, and teeth bared. It looks like their jaw will break into. Why doesn't someone do something???

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                    • Nun Ya, I had no opinion of you before this thread but I must say that you do a fine job of making yourself look like a stubborn individual who does not bother to read the posts before she responds.

                      Read what A2 said:

                      I rode dressage most of my life, and what is shown on that page is NOT dressage.
                      No where does it say what type of riding is going on now.

                      BTW, I have no clue what style of riding A2 does.

                      It just seems like you are fighting for the sake of fighting, after you said you were done with this topic.

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                      • It is a yearling show which is a keg shoe and a flat pad.
                        Wait. They put shoes on yearlings?

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                        • Back to the bit.....did you notice that that bit is under the STANDARD bits they offer! HA HA

                          Also....you might want to pick up a pair of these to go with it in case the big brute backs off too much from the bit and you need to get that BIG LICK A GOIN

                          http://grissombits.com/images/Large/...-Spurs-306.jpg

                          Of course none of this ever happens and no one buys these. RIIIIGGGGGHHHHHTTTT

                          Popcorn anyone?
                          The rider casts his heart over the fence,
                          the horse jumps in pursuit of it.

                          –Hans-Heinrich Isenbart

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                          • Originally posted by FancyFree View Post
                            Wait. They put shoes on yearlings?
                            They put shoes and "only" an inch of pad on yearlings

                            http://www.shaneshifletphoto.com/sho...rs08/42-18.jpg

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                            • Actually what is shown on that page is very much competition dressage. It is something that some are fighting in the industry, but it is not anything that the FEI have made a real definitive statement about. If you're interested, do a search on rollkur to see the debates about it on the dressage board. Lot's of interesting reading.

                              Correct me if I have the wrong person, A2, but I believe A2 currently is training her horse(s) in endurance and is going to school for some sort of barefoot hoofcare (not sure which method - I don't remember).

                              Call me crazy, but there are "weird" things that happen in every facet of the horse industry. Racehorses are backed and run early (with shoes) in order to be ready for the races, QH's have the futurities, which start horses very early, hunters and jumpers have performance enhancing drugs, and Dressage has rollkur. Some of these things are accepted in the industry, some are against the rules, or the spirit of the rules, some rules are still broken. It's everywhere.

                              So instead of villifying, I'd rather learn about the mechanics and the intent. I don't understand the TWH industry at all - nor Saddleseat/Saddlebreds/Arabs - I'm interested in learning, and then can make my own judgement regarding how I feel about certain things that are commonly accepted in any of those industries.
                              Confessions of a Wannabe Farmwife - my Blog

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                              • Originally posted by Auventera Two View Post
                                Here we go! A realy "happy" horse going in his 5 ring elevator! This is a 3 yr old.
                                http://www.shaneshifletphoto.com/sho...rs08/49-41.jpg

                                COMPARE that bit to the bit shown in the original post on this thread. This bit has even MORE shank length than the one originally posted!! :0 Sheesh

                                Wonder if the dumbasses can even detect that their horse has long a winter hair coat in the middle of summer. Gee might be a medical problem that needs treatment. Maybe we should be taking the horse to the vet clinic instead of the trainer's show.


                                UMMM, the Trainers Show is in MARCH !!!! It is still COLD then!
                                http://community.webshots.com/album/548368465RfewoU[/url]

                                She may not have changed the stars from their courses, but she loved a good man, and she rode good horses….author unknown

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                                • Originally posted by trubandloki View Post
                                  Nun Ya, I had no opinion of you before this thread but I must say that you do a fine job of making yourself look like a stubborn individual who does not bother to read the posts before she responds.

                                  Read what A2 said:



                                  No where does it say what type of riding is going on now.

                                  BTW, I have no clue what style of riding A2 does.

                                  It just seems like you are fighting for the sake of fighting, after you said you were done with this topic.
                                  (trust me, stay out of the way of of A2 and us TWH folks-we've been having this arguement for years.

                                  Also, no one is showing with a 10,12 or 14 inch shank, or a double bridle. You would not get in the ring good before someone told you to go away.
                                  http://community.webshots.com/album/548368465RfewoU[/url]

                                  She may not have changed the stars from their courses, but she loved a good man, and she rode good horses….author unknown

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                                  • Yup, let's avoid the generalizations/bashing of disciplines and breeds (and each other!), and keep the discussion narrowed down to bits.

                                    There are plenty of other threads containing debate about some of the more contentious sub-topics addressed here.

                                    Thanks,
                                    Mod 1

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                                    • Originally posted by Gnalli View Post
                                      UMMM, the Trainers Show is in MARCH !!!! It is still COLD then!
                                      To stay on topic Gnalli - please address the use of the bits shown here, and the hands on the other ends of the reins.
                                      Last edited by Auventera Two; Sep. 12, 2008, 01:43 PM. Reason: edited due to Mod's last post.

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                                      • When a horse's mouth gapes, it is beacause they are avoiding pain...not by relaxing. They can't get away from those long-shanked curbs on the tongue and bars...which also poke them in the palate if they have high/narrow ports. With a jointed mouthpiece, you get pinching of the tongue and sometimes a "nutcracker" effect on the palate.
                                        On this note, I have a question maybe some of you can answer. My horse (not current show horse) has always carried her mouth open. Always, always, always. We have ridden her in a snaffle, a kimberwick, even with nothing in her mouth (ie.bareback w/halter) she still opens her mouth. We have had her back looked at and her teeth are done every 8 months or so becuase they were neglected before I had her. Could this just be habit? I think she was broke western with a huge curb and thats where it started.....but can this be carried with her through her whole life? She opens her mouth contact or not....

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                                        • Originally posted by trubandloki View Post
                                          Nun Ya, I had no opinion of you before this thread but I must say that you do a fine job of making yourself look like a stubborn individual who does not bother to read the posts before she responds.

                                          Read what A2 said:



                                          No where does it say what type of riding is going on now.

                                          BTW, I have no clue what style of riding A2 does.

                                          It just seems like you are fighting for the sake of fighting, after you said you were done with this topic.

                                          This person talks on several threads about her riding. I am not referring to what she has said on this thread only


                                          And FYI- I really could care less what your opinion of me is.

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