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  • #21
    Originally posted by Bluey View Post
    Putting this in perspective, to animal rights extremists, as one poster here, that goes to their conventions told us, that we use animals and at times abuse them makes her wish "humans were wiped off this world".
    And she was serious.

    I think those feelings are mutual, but for opposite reasons.
    somebody should have handed her a gun and told her to lead by example...

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    • #22
      Oh jeez, as if the government is really going to force people to get rid of horses and stop eating meat (both multi BILLION dollar industries). They have much bigger issues to deal with than bowing down to a few radical extremists who make up a SEVERE minority. There are radical extremists on the opposite sides of many big issues. Besides, if the US government ever tried to force people to stop having horse and eating steaks, I'm pretty sure Texas would secede and I would be safe anyways lol.

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      • #23
        The point is that these folks with these ideals *are* funding and heading legislative changes that remove small rights from owners...couched in wording that also stops abuse. Everyone is all for stopping abuses...actual ones. And the rights people know this.

        They also know that many don't fully read or comprehend legalese and won't notice or believe the other little bits snuck in there for future use in court that most owners would NOT agree with.

        And despite telling the general public this endlessly...they refuse to believe it and go right for the "It'll never get that bad!"

        No, it probably won't get to ending all beef. It is heading towards We Decide What You Do With Your Pets.

        But then nobody believed any ban on slaughter would result in border crossings either. The HSUS said they'd close the borders, right? We're all nuts and wearing tinfol hats..that'll never happen! Ending USDA in the slaughter houses will stop slaughter. HSUS said so, you guys are lying.

        Oh wait....

        It's not a contest over who is more right or wrong. Or a conspiracy theory. It's just folks trying to come to a conclusion that works for everyone.
        You jump in the saddle,
        Hold onto the bridle!
        Jump in the line!
        ...Belefonte

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          #24
          Originally posted by BansheeBreeze View Post
          Oh jeez, as if the government is really going to force people to get rid of horses and stop eating meat (both multi BILLION dollar industries). They have much bigger issues to deal with than bowing down to a few radical extremists who make up a SEVERE minority. There are radical extremists on the opposite sides of many big issues. Besides, if the US government ever tried to force people to stop having horse and eating steaks, I'm pretty sure Texas would secede and I would be safe anyways lol.
          No, "the government" is busy governing, but the ones that make the laws that govern us are the ones the lobbyist are trying to influence.
          Those animal rights groups, with their influence and money, have put people in regulatory power also.

          THAT is why so many are concerned, as it is already affecting all and will only get worse, unless people wake up and start taking notice a bit better of what all is involved here.

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          • #25
            Originally posted by BansheeBreeze View Post
            Oh jeez, as if the government is really going to force people to get rid of horses and stop eating meat (both multi BILLION dollar industries). They have much bigger issues to deal with than bowing down to a few radical extremists who make up a SEVERE minority. There are radical extremists on the opposite sides of many big issues. Besides, if the US government ever tried to force people to stop having horse and eating steaks, I'm pretty sure Texas would secede and I would be safe anyways lol.
            Oh get real.
            Little league baseball, cheerleading, even BAND has more participants.
            Horses? Yeah, they generate some revenue. But used cars do more.

            And don't forget: A great many people do not make bank off the industry. Or there are those who would not know the difference (like gas stations)
            It's no money out of their pockets when the industry falters. But they thought about the poor abused animals...

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            • #26
              Originally posted by Bluey View Post
              For those that keep insisting animal rights extremists groups are not after our rights to have horses, well, there is proof they really, after all, are after eliminating all uses of animals, as so many of us have been trying to point to all along.
              I've never denied they aren't trying to do this, I don't believe even for a second they will ever be successful. There will always be extremists fighting for animal rights, that's a given. They can convene at conventions all they want, but it's highly unlikely they will ever get anywhere, mostly because their ideas really are whacked and most people with common sense understand that.

              Heck, look at all the steam United Horsemen had a year ago. Now we hardly hear a peep out of them.
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              • #27
                It isn't just about the animals.
                Government wants to tell us what we can eat, what we can drink, what we can smoke, what we can wear, what we can drive, where we can drive, where we can live,..........
                It is endless. Look at New York?? Banning certain size drinks.
                Government thinks we are not capable of making our own decisions - they make this very very clear.
                So if you want to be paranoid - why not go whole hog???

                (Pun intended)
                The problem with political jokes is that they get elected.
                H. Cate

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by BansheeBreeze View Post
                  Oh jeez, as if the government is really going to force people to get rid of horses and stop eating meat (both multi BILLION dollar industries). They have much bigger issues to deal with than bowing down to a few radical extremists who make up a SEVERE minority. There are radical extremists on the opposite sides of many big issues. Besides, if the US government ever tried to force people to stop having horse and eating steaks, I'm pretty sure Texas would secede and I would be safe anyways lol.
                  I wouldn't be to sure of that. Just as it is with the HSUS & PETA , it is ALL ABOUT THE MONEY. If you have enough of it, our fine politicians will surely listen.

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by MistyBlue View Post


                    But then nobody believed any ban on slaughter would result in border crossings either.

                    .
                    To be fair, there is no slaughter ban. The bill proposed hasn't passed, which would ban transport to slaughter. (Which I think will be ineffective without export fees, since they'll just claim they are riding horses, but that is another thread).

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by jenm View Post
                      I've never denied they aren't trying to do this, I don't believe even for a second they will ever be successful. There will always be extremists fighting for animal rights, that's a given. They can convene at conventions all they want, but it's highly unlikely they will ever get anywhere, mostly because their ideas really are whacked and most people with common sense understand that.

                      Heck, look at all the steam United Horsemen had a year ago. Now we hardly hear a peep out of them.
                      But they are succeding! There is anti dog legislation being passed all over the country! The ARs start small and then let it spread. They will target the "easy" things first, but the horse world can be next......Look at what is going on in NYC with the carriage horses..... They are being successful and have the money and time to back their efforts!!!
                      We do not have an overpopulation of dogs, we have an under population of responsible dog owners!!!

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                      • #31
                        Multiple states have already banned the sales of dogs and cats from pet shops. No matter what we think not every pet shop was a broker for puppy mills.

                        L.A being the latest to support not dogs, cats, or rabbits in pet stores no mattr the stores polices or where the animals originate from.

                        http://www.dailynews.com/news/ci_213...some-pet-sales

                        San Francisco is now considering banning the sale OF ALL PETS.

                        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-hamsters.html

                        http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jun...dfish-20110627

                        Irvine Cali voted the for the same no dogs and cats and also to ban circuses that use exotic animals and rodeo's.

                        A quote from one of the articles "The Humane Society of the United States has linked pet supply chains to puppy mills, where dogs are bred in harsh, unsanitary conditions with little regard for health."

                        That movement is well underway .. couple that with the recent legislation to attempt to stifle online animal sales.
                        "I would not beleive her if her tongue came notorized"

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                        • #32
                          Originally posted by jenm View Post
                          I've never denied they aren't trying to do this, I don't believe even for a second they will ever be successful. There will always be extremists fighting for animal rights, that's a given. They can convene at conventions all they want, but it's highly unlikely they will ever get anywhere, mostly because their ideas really are whacked and most people with common sense understand that.

                          Heck, look at all the steam United Horsemen had a year ago. Now we hardly hear a peep out of them.
                          United Horsement...they are very busy. I receive information dialy.


                          Mindy Patterson posted in United Horsemen

                          Mindy Patterson 4:25pm Oct 3


                          H$U$' campaign manager for Measure 5 in North Dakota claims (lies) that Measure 5 has "nothing to do with animal agriculture"... But WE KNOW that H$U$ doesn't do ANYTHING without setting a precedent! Why else would they be grouping horses, cats and dogs together unless they were making an attempt to reclassify horses from livestock to companion animals?!

                          Also in this link is a recording of Jason Schmidt, with North Dakota Animal Stewards to defeat Measure 5 (Jason rocks!) and he is really giving HSUS a run for their money in North Dakota! Please support their campaign!!!
                          Measure 5 Town Hall Meeting Tonight in Valley City | NewsDakotawww.newsdakota.com

                          VALLEY CITY, N.D. (NewsDakota.com) Opponents of Measure 5 will hold a meeting in Valley City tonight...


                          There will always be extremists fighting for animal rights, that's a given. They can convene at conventions all they want, but it's highly unlikely they will ever get anywhere

                          Your post...have you ever heard of Krakow? Treblinka?

                          Most of their ideas were wack jobs, no one would follow them, idiots, and the general population truly did not think there was
                          any agenda.

                          And, to this day, there are those who deny.
                          The Elephant in the room

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                          • #33
                            Originally posted by BansheeBreeze View Post
                            Oh jeez, as if the government is really going to force people to get rid of horses and stop eating meat (both multi BILLION dollar industries). They have much bigger issues to deal with than bowing down to a few radical extremists who make up a SEVERE minority. There are radical extremists on the opposite sides of many big issues. Besides, if the US government ever tried to force people to stop having horse and eating steaks, I'm pretty sure Texas would secede and I would be safe anyways lol.
                            Once upon a time a bunch of extremists convinced the Nation to ban alcohol. Alcohol actually DOES cause a lot of public and private pain. The destruction of that industry caused large scale job losses and was likely a major contributor to the economic decline that we today call The Great Depression.

                            Never say "never" and always avoid the world "always."

                            G.
                            Mangalarga Marchador: Uma Raça, Uma Paixão

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                            • #34
                              Originally posted by Guilherme View Post
                              Once upon a time a bunch of extremists convinced the Nation to ban alcohol. Alcohol actually DOES cause a lot of public and private pain. The destruction of that industry caused large scale job losses and was likely a major contributor to the economic decline that we today call The Great Depression.

                              Never say "never" and always avoid the world "always."

                              G.

                              Not to mention the rise of organized crime...

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                                #35
                                Originally posted by Alagirl View Post
                                Not to mention the rise of organized crime...
                                You mean if they ban puppy sales, they will sell in street corners puppies along with drugs?

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                                • #36
                                  Originally posted by Bluey View Post
                                  You mean if they ban puppy sales, they will sell in street corners puppies along with drugs?
                                  well
                                  bans on 'dangerous breeds' have not succeeded in squashing the breeding of them....


                                  (you are so silly! )

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                                  • #37
                                    So one more time that the HSUS et all are not attempting to take away or right to own and or make a living with animals.

                                    http://www.prweb.com/releases/2012/10/prweb9971893.htm
                                    "I would not beleive her if her tongue came notorized"

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                                    • #38
                                      Originally posted by Bluey View Post
                                      You mean if they ban puppy sales, they will sell in street corners puppies along with drugs?
                                      I'll take a dime bag of puppies, please. Hybrid/mixed breed is fine.

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                                      • #39
                                        Originally posted by Mara View Post
                                        I'll take a dime bag of puppies, please. Hybrid/mixed breed is fine.

                                        Hybrid vigor cost extra, my Dear.

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                                        • #40
                                          Originally posted by Arizona DQ View Post
                                          But they are succeding! There is anti dog legislation being passed all over the country! The ARs start small and then let it spread. They will target the "easy" things first, but the horse world can be next......Look at what is going on in NYC with the carriage horses..... They are being successful and have the money and time to back their efforts!!!
                                          Please explain what you mean by anti-dog legislation being passed all over the country. I really don't know what you mean. If they were that good, puppy mills would have been shut down years ago.

                                          As for the NYC carriage horses, yes, I am fully aware of of what is going on, but they have NOT been successful in banning them and as far as I can tell, aren't even close.

                                          The ARAs will continue to picket outside the circus, animal parks, petting zoos and the carriage trade. Have they gotten anywhere near getting any of them banned?

                                          Enjoy your special vacation in Bluey's basement....
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