• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Video of Tennessee Walking Horse We witnessed at the GIHP

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • The chains for training at home are heavier than what they are saying. I've been in bl barns when I looked for a twh horse because there are a lot in our area. they are not light weight 16 ounces that are used. Maybe some places don't but all I've seen they are much heavier. That's what gets the higher lift.
    Horses aren't our whole life, but makes our life whole

    Comment


    • Originally posted by sunridge1 View Post
      None of my non SS trained horses act like that away from home. They were all trained by a professional trainer even my SS trained that was retrained by the same trainer. Even when they were green and I took them away from home for the first time. However NONE are kept in stall either.
      Oh mine sure have. Some days I wonder how I end up being attracted to such hot horses. Even if Grey is turned out all day, once I get him under saddle and strike a trot, any thing can (and does) happen. Two weeks ago we were plodding through the cornfield, and he decided that it was still necessary to give a warning bucksnort to the bulldozer working a mile away on the opposite hillside. Too much Yorktown and Attache'!
      Life is what happens while you are busy making other plans

      Comment


      • But defenders keep stating something about 8 oz? The chain I used was probably 7-8 ounces.

        Comment


        • Originally posted by hundredacres View Post
          Out of curiosity tonight, I fastened a lightweight chain around my arab's pastern.. It was loose.....I rode her up and down the driveway and she did NOTHING. She could have cared less........But the plain, lightweight, loose chains didn't do a damned thing.
          Some horses don't react to chains at all. The Arab I used to have never even noticed them. But my current ASB, just putting something as innocent as Cavallo boots on him turns him into a freak of nature. For five minutes anyway
          Life is what happens while you are busy making other plans

          Comment


          • LOL; "...For five minutes..." Like putting scotch tape on the foot pads of kittens.
            from sunridge1:Go get 'em Roy! Stupid clown shoe nailing, acid pouring bast@rds.it is going to be good until the last drop!Eleneswell, the open trail begged to be used. D Taylor

            Comment


            • Originally posted by hurleycane View Post
              LOL; "...For five minutes..." Like putting scotch tape on the foot pads of kittens.
              Precisely!
              The funniest part was even if I only put the boots on the front hooves, he picks up his hind legs just as high. I ought to try to get a video.
              Life is what happens while you are busy making other plans

              Comment


              • Originally posted by hundredacres View Post
                But defenders keep stating something about 8 oz? The chain I used was probably 7-8 ounces.
                Well, if it will make everybody happy, I'll try to remember to bring home my collection of chains and rattles tomorrow and weigh each of them. Then we can see exactly how heavy commercially available action devices are.
                Life is what happens while you are busy making other plans

                Comment


                • Originally posted by hundredacres View Post
                  But defenders keep stating something about 8 oz? The chain I used was probably 7-8 ounces.
                  You are allowed only a 6-ounce chain in the show ring and yes, the Government vets weigh every single one.

                  Comment


                  • http://www.ehorseequipment.com/brows...&cid=32&page=3

                    http://bedfordtack.net/shop/index.ph...th=436_377_378

                    Comment


                    • Originally posted by hundredacres View Post
                      Out of curiosity tonight, I fastened a lightweight chain around my arab's pastern.. It was loose.....I rode her up and down the driveway and she did NOTHING. She could have cared less.

                      There's more to the chains than they are telling us. It;s a load of crap that it causes them to reach, perform or give them rhythm. .
                      I have an ASB that reacts the same way to chains or stretchies. Guess what? He's not gonna make a SS show horse, ever. He doesn't want to "use his legs" and no amount of training will make him, so why try? It's just his nature- he's the most laid back 3 yo ASB I've ever met. I went out to fetch him from outside the other night- in the dark, in a nasty thunderstorm, and I forgot to grab a lead. I just opened the gate, grabbed his halter and he led in like an old cow pony. I'm trying to find a home for him as a lower-level sport horse. Others, well, you put chains on and they're acting like they're ready for Louisville. They'll set back, lift that head, engage that hind end and act even prouder of themselves than they already did. Same exact chains, nothing done differently, just a different mindset. Chains just enhance what the horse already has.

                      A long time ago I had an old broodmare, a former 3-gaited horse long before I owned her. I was walking up to the barn and had a pair of stretchies in my hand. She was loose in the barn lot and I had to walk past her to get to the barn. She saw those stretchies and did a little snort and blow and trotted up to me with a look that said "Me too!". Just to see if I understood I put them on the old girl. As soon as I put them on and stepped back she once again turned into a show horse, trotting around the barn yard with her tail up over her back showing off and acting like she was a young pup and game for anything! After a few minutes of enjoying her antics, I had to ask her to stop so I could take them off. She acted almost disappointed when I removed them. I wish I had a video!

                      Comment


                      • Well written Shakeytails.

                        Some horses view those stretchies as terrific toys. It's sort of like "hey look I have magic legs!" And then others, put anything on their legs and they mysteriously lose the ability to bend at the knee.

                        Then there are the old campaigners who just beg for you to air them up. They aren't scared. They think it's a game. They want some sort of boogey man to react to and show their stuff. And then everyone cheers and they swell with pride. If a horse reacts with fear or resistance, then it's not cut out for what you're trying to accomplish. It's either bred into them or it's not. We had one whose brother was an amazing show horse, but this guy was just a wilting flower. Very sensitive. Any little change had him cowering behind you not charging out to see what could be done about it. The show horses are the ones who charge out to do something about it.

                        And then there are the kind that will stand in the cross ties and snort and crane their necks in anticipation of some excitement and you know you've got yourself a show horse. But those kind aren't for everyone. Some days it makes me want to buy a quiet Quarter Horse instead.
                        Life is what happens while you are busy making other plans

                        Comment


                        • Well those pictures were disturbing. Those long shanks, tight curb chains and pulled-back mouths looked painful. And did anyone else notice the chains? They're really being flung back and forth on the horses' legs. Even without soring that can't feel good after fifteen minutes.

                          Just because the photographer managed to capture the horse's ears forward doesn't mean that the horse had them forward most of the time.



                          Originally posted by katarine View Post
                          In memory of Apache, who loved to play. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjZAqeg7HyE

                          Comment


                          • I like the covered in fleece chains. If I had a gaited horse I'd be used about chaffing caused by chains without any protection.
                            Yes, I smell like a horse. No, I don't consider that to be a problem.

                            Originally posted by DottieHQ
                            You're just jealous because you lack my extensive koalafications.

                            Comment


                            • Originally posted by Malda View Post
                              Originally Posted by katarine
                              http://www.shaneshifletphoto.com/dsp...z%20Player.jpg

                              http://www.shaneshifletphoto.com/dsp...r%20Pepper.jpg

                              http://www.shaneshifletphoto.com/dsp...%20Sherman.jpg

                              Those don't look terrified.

                              http://www.shaneshifletphoto.com/dsp...%20Brogdon.jpg

                              That is an intelligent looking, sane, non terrified grey horse.

                              http://www.shaneshifletphoto.com/dsp...%20Brogdon.jpg

                              Foam is a GOOD thing in a horse's mouth. Foam is GOOD.


                              Well those pictures were disturbing. Those long shanks, tight curb chains and pulled-back mouths looked painful. And did anyone else notice the chains? They're really being flung back and forth on the horses' legs. Even without soring that can't feel good after fifteen minutes.

                              Just because the photographer managed to capture the horse's ears forward doesn't mean that the horse had them forward most of the time.
                              I agree. The ears might be forward but the eyes tell a different story. And those HUGE pads and chains along with the riders hunched over their backs look like something that belongs in an S&M horror scene.
                              Yes, I smell like a horse. No, I don't consider that to be a problem.

                              Originally posted by DottieHQ
                              You're just jealous because you lack my extensive koalafications.

                              Comment


                              • One old remedy for high ringbone, as per some old vets advice was, when you had a bump there, attach a chain so the rubbing would irritate the bump and would make the bump reabsorb.

                                I only saw two old broodmares that had a chain for that purpose and I don't think it was doing anything for their ringbone, because ringbone lameness is not about the bump, but the calcification in the joint itself.

                                Comment


                                • Originally posted by Niennor View Post
                                  I like the covered in fleece chains. If I had a gaited horse I'd be used about chaffing caused by chains without any protection.
                                  Yes, but that not only deadens the noise, but stabilises the chain on the leg effectively giving you simply a leg weight and defeating the idea which is motion and noise. I have seen some chains stuffed into plastic tubes, but again, same problem.

                                  I have NEVER had a horse chafe from chains. I have, however, had one chafe from fleece ankle cuffs because those cuffs, even if you start your ride off with clean ones, can trap a lot of arena footing between the cuff and the skin. Bare chain is really the way to go. Think about it, if you were working and sweating, which would be more comfortable? A thick, smooth Chanel chain bracelet? Or a wooly fleece one?
                                  Life is what happens while you are busy making other plans

                                  Comment


                                  • Originally posted by katarine View Post
                                    http://www.shaneshifletphoto.com/dsp...Show%20Winners

                                    Some have lovely seats, some are hunchbacks of Notre Dame.

                                    Richard Spooner, anyone?
                                    OMG... just OMG.

                                    I am Irish. We don't have anything like these extreme TWH classes or Big Lick over here.. thank God.

                                    People comparing it to event horses are really not getting the point. Event horses have to be fit, healthy, well fed and without pain ANYWHERE to be the best they can be.

                                    They live like kings. Yes, unfortunately, the sport has its dangers - it is a risk sport and accidents can and do happen.

                                    This Big Lick stuff is not a risk sport though, and you can't tell me that these horses don't go through discomfort every single day of their lives in order to be able to produce a grotesque gait like that in the showring.

                                    The difference is their home lives. Event and jump horses do not suffer pain or at the very least discomfort in every waking hour. It is in their producer's best interest that they feel TERRIFIC!!

                                    I'm afraid I can't be convinced that these Big Lick horses do not suffer every single day.

                                    To say that stopping this practice is just one step from stopping people from riding horses is a step way, way too far. It is grotesque and unnatural - in a way that riding a horse in a normal way can never be viewed.

                                    Comment


                                    • Questions:

                                      1. Regarding the photographs posted by Katarine, why are many of the horses' pasterns wet and consequently covered in arena footing? What is on them that the dirt is sticking to?

                                      2. How do the horses shod this way not suffer a lot of suspensory and other soft tissue injures? I don't get it. All I see when I look at the way they are shod is their suspensories getting loaded in a terrible way.

                                      Comment


                                      • Originally posted by FineAlready View Post
                                        Questions:

                                        1. Regarding the photographs posted by Katarine, why are many of the horses' pasterns wet and consequently covered in arena footing? What is on them that the dirt is sticking to?
                                        I noticed that too. I've never seen a horse pick up that much arena dust.
                                        Life is what happens while you are busy making other plans

                                        Comment


                                        • It's the grease, provided by the DQP, applied to the legs under the chains to reduce friction.

                                          Comment

                                          Working...
                                          X