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    #61
    Originally posted by BabyGreen View Post
    If the religion is Mormon, and I suspect it is, and she was Mormon, they would have been all over there helping her out. And I do believe the water issue, because a friend of mine has a place close to Fallon and they're always arguing about water and who diverts what.

    Not to excuse neglect or overbreeding.

    Oh, and that part of Nevada IS desert and everything depends on canals and irrigation. And there is really no economy there, no industry, except gambling and farming. And never was.
    Bingo. Her ranch is on one desolate piece of land. Even here in OR, water issues are a touchy subject.

    Another thing, not pointing fingers here, but, there is some advice from folks about what they would do and if CCH had only done "X", it would be better. I double dog dare you to try to do that out in some of these western areas where people are still a bit in the olden days. If the (example coming up, I've no idea if this is the case) sheriffs depart deputy and the judge are any way blood related, you won't win against that. You just won't. No matter how you say the law says this or the law says that. You won't win. If a big-name has something against you, you can bet your bottom dollar, you will go broke fighting it before losing anyway.

    Aaaannnndddd...I take a bit of issue with she 'should' have posted here before getting too deep in trouble. Really?? She would have been torn to shreds telling her she should have known better, she shouldn't have bred so many, she should have taken then to the sale, not to mention the personal attacks about how worthless and stoopid she was for getting in this situ. If I were in her shoes (don't plan to be but ya never know), I wouldn't post for help here. Not directly, anyway. Maybe a 'friend of a friend' sort of thing. On another board, a poster asked for help and was ripped some new ones. That board isn't anywhere near as blunt as this one.
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      #62
      Originally posted by paulaedwina View Post
      It's a wake up. We're going to see more of this with this economy, drought, and feed prices. I look at these incidents as rehearsal for when it happens to you or someone you know. Brace yourselves. Big horse operations with no income -rescues, sanctuaries, and the like -are in alot of trouble right now. Pray for them (literally or figuratively).

      Paula
      Yes, it is going to get worse. We're getting more and more calls from people wanting us to take their horses. And we just cannot. We have fewer people adopting, fewer people fostering, long-time foster homes who have had to stop. I look at what I can do now and know that if things keep getting worse, I won't be able to foster anymore, either.

      I've been involved in running a rescue for 14 years now. This is the FIRST YEAR that I've been in the red into July. We do have savings to help us out, and our big fundraiser in October should let us end the year in the black or even. However, we've had to make changes. Most years we take in 100-125 horses. This year so far we've added 35 horses to our care (and 3 of those were born to mares who had been recently seized, so we were 'stuck' with them).

      We're tightening our belts and cutting back. The downside is that means we can help fewer horses and fewer people. I hate that, but I do have a responsibility to the critters already in our care.

      It breaks my heart sometimes.
      Visit us at Bluebonnet Equine Humane Society - www.bluebonnetequine.org

      Want to get involved in rescue or start your own? Check out How to Start a Horse Rescue - www.howtostartarescue.com

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        #63
        You are wrong Goneriding. People get help here all the time. If you ask before it is too late people rush to help.

        People get trashed when the horse is dead and the police are at the door and then they ask for help.

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          #64
          Originally posted by trubandloki View Post
          I think we need more of this long story.

          I just do not get that you are not allowed to euthanize by bullet.
          Originally posted by Alagirl View Post
          I am assuming - unless you are breaking firearms laws - it's krewel.....
          Originally posted by Mosey_2003 View Post
          I'm willing to bet the issue isn't using a bullet, but the disposal.
          Originally posted by trubandloki View Post
          That is what I was wondering too. That is why I would like more details.
          Not so much the bullet, it is the disposal. Can't dig a pit to put the body in. Water contamination. We have a lot of hay farms around here which use up every inch of water. That's one of the reason, or maybe the main reason, there is such a fight about water rights here. Then there is the dam, which I'm not clear on that story, whether it's a good or bad thing that is holding water for something or someone. Then the stoopid fish which the ecological people are screaming about but the local indian tribe eats by the trainload.

          It's a whole zoo out here about water, then add in disposing of a huge horse body, maybe more than one, and you have a cluster going on. That is prolly one of the reasons my Samthebigredhorse was turned loose and abandoned rather than try to do something with him 'in a responsible way'. For the vet to drop a horse, I've heard it's in the $600 area now. I haven't called to ask, just from other horse owners. Yeah, can't feed the horse, just call the vet to drop him and pay THOSE charges.
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            #65
            Originally posted by trubandloki View Post
            You are wrong Goneriding. People get help here all the time. If you ask before it is too late people rush to help.

            People get trashed when the horse is dead and the police are at the door and then they ask for help.

            No, I think she is pretty on the money.
            yes, people do get help here all the time, but manage to look at one person crosswise and you are done for.

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              #66
              Originally posted by goneriding24 View Post
              Not so much the bullet, it is the disposal. Can't dig a pit to put the body in. Water contamination. We have a lot of hay farms around here which use up every inch of water. That's one of the reason, or maybe the main reason, there is such a fight about water rights here. Then there is the dam, which I'm not clear on that story, whether it's a good or bad thing that is holding water for something or someone. Then the stoopid fish which the ecological people are screaming about but the local indian tribe eats by the trainload.

              It's a whole zoo out here about water, then add in disposing of a huge horse body, maybe more than one, and you have a cluster going on. That is prolly one of the reasons my Samthebigredhorse was turned loose and abandoned rather than try to do something with him 'in a responsible way'. For the vet to drop a horse, I've heard it's in the $600 area now. I haven't called to ask, just from other horse owners. Yeah, can't feed the horse, just call the vet to drop him and pay THOSE charges.

              at least when you drop them by bullet, the crows get to eat....

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                #67
                http://cru.cahe.wsu.edu/CEPublicatio...1e/eb2031e.pdf
                Nothing says "I love you" like a tractor. (Clydejumper)

                The reports states, “Elizabeth reported that she accidently put down this pony, ........, at the show.”

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                  #68
                  Cornell has a great brochure on that too.

                  http://compost.css.cornell.edu/naturalrenderingFS.pdf

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                    #69
                    Originally posted by trubandloki View Post
                    You are wrong Goneriding. People get help here all the time. If you ask before it is too late people rush to help.

                    People get trashed when the horse is dead and the police are at the door and then they ask for help.
                    Right or wrong, what is too late?? The help I see (example coming up) is someone sees a skinny/old/lame horse on CL, everyone gets together, pools money and someone goes for the horse and then sets up a good home. Maybe I've missed it, but, has anyone recently asked for help in a direct way? I mean, really, I might have missed it because I don't read each and every post on here.

                    Oh, and about her breeding more for more foals. When I was there, I'm thinking no mare was bred back. But, then again, I'm not interested in broodies to buy and other than looking at them, didn't really go into details there. Maybe there were some foals I'm not aware of.
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                      #70
                      I clicked on the two pdf thingys but can't read them. I can't zoom in to see them.

                      Actually, put a horse down, the coyotes get to eat, who get hunted in the Fall for a good pelt which gets sold for big money, the crows get to eat, too. I don't know what crows do other than be a PITA. It fertilizes that patch of ground.

                      Out where I picked up my Sammy, there are horse skeletons farther out, from what I hear. I didn't see any when I was out. But friends ride in the area plus the hunters. The skeleton head is sort of collectible, like a cow skull. While I don't like the idea of a horse starving to death or a pack taking him down, it's all natural, unless the horse had meds or wormer in his system. Which if he's been turned out, prolly the owner didn't do that stuff anyway.
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                        #71
                        Originally posted by goneriding24 View Post
                        Right or wrong, what is too late?? The help I see (example coming up) is someone sees a skinny/old/lame horse on CL, everyone gets together, pools money and someone goes for the horse and then sets up a good home. Maybe I've missed it, but, has anyone recently asked for help in a direct way? I mean, really, I might have missed it because I don't read each and every post on here.
                        People don't want to step in and help unless the horse looks pitiful. Even rescues...if someone asks for help with a healthy looking horse, they say they are full. But post a picture of a skinny horse with elfin hooves and the rescues are all over it. Tons of money will be spent, even if the horse isn't rideable. That is what doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

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                          #72
                          Somebody posted on here about taking their potential inheritance as the farm instead of money and I along with a bunch of other people told them no way a single woman can do it alone. Then add breeding, hoo boy. And I think CCH was a single woman - another nurse - with foster kids, which can turn into waaaay too much on your plate and fast. Sure the state pays a stipend but it won't pay enough if the kid is truly troubled.

                          I just don't know. Coth is great for the individual CL horse but unless someone can tell me otherwise I don't think we do dispersals real well - how did that ASB breeder's horses all wind up? I still remember License to Fly and wish I could have taken him, but without the free/pity factor it just wasn't happening. Snort got lucky and he won't be replaced. Things are tight here too.

                          When we have too many bunnies, we eat them. It's pretty simple. But they are TINY, there's less waste than a big fatty pot roast and we can sneak it into the trash or reasonably compost it. Pigs can be sold and it's expected they'll be eaten.

                          But even KY has changed its laws and it is NOT legal to let a carcass decompose out in the back forty. Rocks here are less than 30 inches down so a big long hole wouldn't work too well either. Compost, yes, and lots of TB's get into the big composting manure windrows on the large farms - but I wouldn't have a clue how to get the old guy into their system on short notice. There is a service to remove carcasses and they have fliers up at TSC, note to self, copy one.

                          What would we say if CCH had come on here and said "Uncle", they gotta go by such and such date, to the KB or other? Would we have accused her of using the heartstring ploy - you know, raise the bail to rescue blah blah blah?

                          I've been reading threads on here for the last what, two years?, where breeders like PP and that lady that is getting discussed on breeders forum right now, are being shown up to be great talkers and marketers but have grown their businesses way too fast and, well, the Emperor has no clothes. I have no clue how to solve it either.
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                            #73
                            Originally posted by ReSomething View Post
                            Compost, yes, and lots of TB's get into the big composting manure windrows on the large farms - but I wouldn't have a clue how to get the old guy into their system on short notice.
                            The link I posted above shows you how to build a compost pile that is suitable to compost a single large animal.

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                              #74
                              Originally posted by goneriding24 View Post
                              I clicked on the two pdf thingys but can't read them. I can't zoom in to see them.

                              Actually, put a horse down, the coyotes get to eat, who get hunted in the Fall for a good pelt which gets sold for big money, the crows get to eat, too. I don't know what crows do other than be a PITA. It fertilizes that patch of ground.

                              Out where I picked up my Sammy, there are horse skeletons farther out, from what I hear. I didn't see any when I was out. But friends ride in the area plus the hunters. The skeleton head is sort of collectible, like a cow skull. While I don't like the idea of a horse starving to death or a pack taking him down, it's all natural, unless the horse had meds or wormer in his system. Which if he's been turned out, prolly the owner didn't do that stuff anyway.
                              just google "large animal disposal" + composting and lots of material will come up covering many different state regulations

                              in many areas disposal methods are strictly regulated so one must know what is allowed where one lives
                              Nothing says "I love you" like a tractor. (Clydejumper)

                              The reports states, “Elizabeth reported that she accidently put down this pony, ........, at the show.”

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                                #75
                                Originally posted by Derby Lyn Farms View Post
                                My vet is the type to suck every last bit of life out of animals and it drives me insane. We had a mare that was old and declining in health and we called to have her put down. He came out and wanted to put her in a sling and do all sorts of things. She was 32 years old! Let her go in peace.
                                I don't know what the vet situation is with the OP story, but I agree about vets being a BIG problem with encouraging people to continue to push animals ever onward. There are vet who ARE a part of the problem. And, come to think of it, I see no plank on the 'unwanted horsey' platform that addresses this issue.
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                                  #76
                                  Originally posted by trubandloki View Post
                                  The link I posted above shows you how to build a compost pile that is suitable to compost a single large animal.
                                  Yes. It features the use of lots of wood products. Some specific, too. Not something most people can whip up overnight if their horses should drop dead. Especially not in Nevada, where cactus and Joshua trees and sagebrush are about it.

                                  We have the municipal wood chips, DH flags the guys down and has them dump here. So we have the 24" base to hand. Figure it''ll be at least 8 foot by 8 foot square. We'd just spread it where it sits and move the orchard fence so we don't block a tractorway. We have some manure in a compost heap, most is in the vegetable gardens. That'd make the absorptive layer. We would have to purchase the 18" layers of sawdust from somewhere, that would be about 32 bags of shavings, or more, at whatever that costs. Bunnies I can dig a hole in the compost heap, bury and mark. Horses are a bit larger scale. Like burying a big Harley.

                                  The TB farm composting operation I am most familiar with, http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll...09967&t=h&z=17 takes up a five acre space and handles the manure and non-reclaimed straw from a couple of hundred horses. I wonder if even they could handle composting 20 or so horses at one time. Maybe over a weeks' time.

                                  ETA, the point being it all takes forethought, which usually means money and time. From the postings featured in the OP obviously in short supply.
                                  Last edited by ReSomething; Sep. 20, 2012, 01:36 PM. Reason: not trying to be argumentative, not really
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                                    #77
                                    Originally posted by ReSomething View Post
                                    .

                                    I don't think we do dispersals real well - how did that ASB breeder's horses all wind up? I still remember License to Fly and wish I could have taken him.
                                    I don't remember offhand, I think he found a home. I know Dupes did :=)

                                    I can ask K or ask Steff next time we cross paths.
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                                      #78
                                      Re: composting: I don't think an arid climate is favorable to that, the pile has to contain a certain amount of moisture to break down in a timely fashion. Unlike trees, flesh can and does produce (highly) toxic byproducts while breaking down, enough so that a minute amount can contaminate wast amounts of, say, ground water.

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                                        #79
                                        Originally posted by Belg View Post
                                        I don't remember offhand, I think he found a home. I know Dupes did :=)

                                        I can ask K or ask Steff next time we cross paths.
                                        It'd be nice to know about all of them, if it's no trouble. Bump up the thread or whatever.
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                                          #80
                                          Originally posted by ReSomething View Post
                                          It'd be nice to know about all of them, if it's no trouble. Bump up the thread or whatever.
                                          just asked, most all of them found homes And she still has Fly.
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