• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Who funds the horse slaughter lobby? All roads lead to AQHA and Agribusiness.

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Who funds the horse slaughter lobby? All roads lead to AQHA and Agribusiness.

    A great expose in the role of slaughter facilitating the unfettered breeding of horses. I highly recommend this to anyone interested in understanding the forces behind promoting horse slaughter in the U.S.

    http://habitatforhorses.org/horse-sl...r-money-trail/
    "There's something about the outside of a horse that is good for the inside of a man" ~ Sir Winston Churchill
  • Original Poster

    #2
    "The object that drives the horse slaughter lobby is money. It has never been about equine welfare, humanity, professionalism or reliability. Like in most political issues, those defending horse slaughtering are in it for the money or for the prospects of monetary earnings in a variety of forms, from obtaining campaign donations to the renewal of a Public Relations contracts or the obtainment of power to shape legislation to their own advantage."
    "There's something about the outside of a horse that is good for the inside of a man" ~ Sir Winston Churchill

    Comment


    • #3
      Pretty good article. It's always been about the money, not what's best for the horse.

      Comment


      • #4
        If you consider that 85% of the horses slaughtered the last year the plants were open in the US had QH bloodlines that too should not be a surprise.
        McDowell Racing Stables

        Home Away From Home

        Comment


        • #5
          considering that the AQHA is the world's largest registry should have something to do with this.

          Is is full moon already?
          Originally posted by BigMama1
          Facts don't have versions. If they do, they are opinions
          GNU Terry Prachett

          Comment


          • #6
            Originally posted by Alagirl View Post
            considering that the AQHA is the world's largest registry should have something to do with this.

            Is is full moon already?
            Getting close
            I'm a second hand Vegan. Cows eat grass. I eat cows.

            Comment

            • Original Poster

              #7
              Originally posted by Alagirl View Post
              considering that the AQHA is the world's largest registry should have something to do with this.

              Is is full moon already?
              Yep, the world's largest registry that needs a system to make room for the continuing mass production. Bingo horse slaughter. I know it's long, but you might want to read the article, regardless of the moon's phases. The point is that AQHA is actively funding and perpetuating this cruel business.
              "There's something about the outside of a horse that is good for the inside of a man" ~ Sir Winston Churchill

              Comment


              • #8
                And here is one of those QH breeders whining about it:

                http://www.agweek.com/event/article/id/20053/

                Through the years, Opdahl would take salvage animals — old mares or those that were hurt or couldn’t be broken to ride — to Kist Livestock Auction at Mandan, N.D.

                “The one you sell to the slaughter market brings enough to feed four or five other horses for the winter.”
                ************************
                \"Horses lend us the wings we lack\"

                Comment


                • #9
                  Originally posted by JumpingPaints View Post
                  A great expose in the role of slaughter facilitating the unfettered breeding of horses. I highly recommend this to anyone interested in understanding the forces behind promoting horse slaughter in the U.S.

                  http://habitatforhorses.org/horse-sl...r-money-trail/
                  Maybe you ought to read for context?
                  That is not an expose, that is an animal rights hatchet job opinion piece, with not one iota of truth or facts behind it.

                  One reason the AQHA and 200+ other horse associations and industry affiliates was against the slaughter ban bill is because it was setting precedents that the HSUS was in charge.

                  As long as those of us that understand the world as it is and our use of animals as the renewable, natural resource they are, you will find those that have them and the associations formed by them to try to protect the right to own and use animals from those that want to eliminate those rights on some wrongheaded idea of how this world works.

                  Really, the ones that should be ashamed here are those that further animal rights agendas as that article is.

                  Trying to make the AQHA an evil empire falls flat on the reality of who they are and what they do.
                  That article is like asking your new coworker you don't even know, in an office full of people, how many times a day he beats his wife.

                  All that about registrations and how the AQHA operates to make money etc. is pure speculation and not at all true.
                  There are conventions where topics like embryo transfer and others are voted on.
                  Right now there is a lawsuit against the AQHA because they voted against registering clones.
                  That article is completely clueless how the AQHA operates, sorry.
                  Only those that don't know either could believe all that pure nonsense.

                  Assuming that the AQHA is and does what that article does, without any proof of any of that at all, well, knowing where that is coming from, you should have understood that is just more animal rights propaganda.

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Originally posted by JumpingPaints View Post
                    Yep, the world's largest registry that needs a system to make room for the continuing mass production. Bingo horse slaughter. I know it's long, but you might want to read the article, regardless of the moon's phases. The point is that AQHA is actively funding and perpetuating this cruel business.
                    Or as the world's largest registry they recognize that there are not enough rescues or homes to absorb the number of unwanted horses in this country so they are supporting legislation which provides a suitable alternative. Or as the largest registry they see the need to be the voice of reason in a sea of bleeding-heart fanatics who adamantly oppose slaughter yet have failed to provide an alternative every step of the way. By supporting slaughter in the Jockey Club also doing the same thing? What about professional trainers? Are they supporting slaughter so they have an easy dumping ground for rejects and can make more room for new prospects ?

                    I'm all for conspiracy theories and I do think that the AQHA is economically driven (what big organization isn't?) but this article is absurd. The number of foals registered has dropped by almost half in a mere two years. How does this support their claims?

                    "Like in most political issues, those defending horse slaughtering are in it for the money or for the prospects of monetary earnings in a variety of forms, from obtaining campaign donations to the renewal of a Public Relations contracts or the obtainment of power to shape legislation to their own advantage"

                    Nope. There are thousands of people who defend slaughter. Until a viable alternative is found we see slaughter as a necessary evil.

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Bluey View Post
                      Maybe you ought to read for context?
                      That is not an expose, that is an animal rights hatchet job opinion piece, with not one iota of truth or facts behind it.

                      One reason the AQHA was against the slaughter ban bill is because it was setting precedents that the HSUS was in charge.

                      As long as those of us that understand the world as it is and our use of animals as the renewable, natural resource they are, you will find those that have them and the associations formed by them to try to protect the right to own and use animals from those that want to eliminate those rights on some wrongheaded idea of how this world works.

                      Really, the ones that should be ashamed here are those that further animal rights agendas as that article is.

                      Trying to make the AQHA an evil empire falls flat on the reality of who they are and what they do.
                      That article is like asking your new coworker you don't even know, in an office full of people, how many times a day he beats his wife.

                      All that about registrations and how the AQHA operates to make money etc. is pure speculation and not at all true.
                      There are conventions where topics like embryo transfer and others are voted on and right now a lawsuit against the AQHA because they voted against registering clones.
                      That article is completely clueless how the AQHA operates, sorry.

                      Assuming that the AQHA is and does what that article does, without any proof of any of that at all, well, knowing where that is coming from, you should have understood that is just more animal rights propaganda.
                      well, it goes something like this:

                      blahblahblah ZOMG HORSE SLAUGHTER yadayadayada OH EM GEE EVUL AQHA....blah yada yada blah blah RACE HORSES....Yada blahblah MEAN BREEDERS....

                      rinse repeat....



                      Numbers lie.

                      even acording to the anti crowd only 1% of the horse population goes to slaughter, good, bad or indifferent.
                      So the majority of those are QH...
                      No, wait, horses that look like, maybe, possibly, perhaps could be QH...
                      about 90k out of a million and a half, 2 million?
                      (and frankly, some of them horses are good for nothing but a steak dinner....)

                      yes, the people who fight against PETA and HSUS forcing legislation on us are evil...(though last I heard the AQHA has not set trucks, slaughter plants on fire or liberated life stock and pets, nor funneled money to eco-terrorists...how truly evil they are...) </sarcasm> (because I know somebody won't get it...)
                      Originally posted by BigMama1
                      Facts don't have versions. If they do, they are opinions
                      GNU Terry Prachett

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Originally posted by GraceLikeRain View Post
                        By supporting slaughter in the Jockey Club also doing the same thing?
                        The Jockey Club is anti-horse-slaughter. Just FYI.

                        And P.S. I am not a fan of Jerry Finch.
                        He smooches too much with the HSUS.
                        Last edited by luvmytbs; Aug. 28, 2012, 03:31 PM.
                        ************************
                        \"Horses lend us the wings we lack\"

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Originally posted by luvmytbs View Post
                          The Jockey Club is anti-horse-slaughter. Just FYI.
                          the jockey club is a dog with no teeth. It can't even regulate racing...
                          Originally posted by BigMama1
                          Facts don't have versions. If they do, they are opinions
                          GNU Terry Prachett

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Alagirl View Post
                            the jockey club is a dog with no teeth. It can't even regulate racing...
                            The JC has nothing to do with racing, they are a registry.
                            ************************
                            \"Horses lend us the wings we lack\"

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Originally posted by luvmytbs View Post
                              The JC has nothing to do with racing, they are a registry.
                              Don't ruin her rant with facts.

                              Comment


                              • #16
                                Originally posted by luvmytbs View Post
                                The JC has nothing to do with racing, they are a registry.
                                That is like saying the AKC has nothing to do with dog welfare, they are just a registry.....

                                I have to agree, that this article is just more HSUS/PETA propaganda...it is sad that many horse owners still fall for this stuff........
                                We do not have an overpopulation of dogs, we have an under population of responsible dog owners!!!

                                Comment


                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by jetsmom View Post
                                  Don't ruin her rant with facts.
                                  My Bad...........

                                  AKC and JC, apples and peanuts.
                                  ************************
                                  \"Horses lend us the wings we lack\"

                                  Comment


                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by Arizona DQ View Post
                                    That is like saying the AKC has nothing to do with dog welfare, they are just a registry.....

                                    I have to agree, that this article is just more HSUS/PETA propaganda...it is sad that many horse owners still fall for this stuff........
                                    Well, I didn't have the OP pegged as one of the few animal rights followers here, but I guess people do surprise.

                                    That is pure propaganda and not even with the correct facts, clearly written by someone that doesn't even understand how the AQHA works.
                                    Not that any of that ever mattered to animal rights extremists, they just like the controversy, no matter what myths and outrageous falsehoods they have to propagate, as it is clear there.

                                    Comment


                                    • #19
                                      well, as someone who is for animal welfare, who is a vegetarian (most of my life) who goes out of her way to ensure that every $$ that i spend goes only to businesses that i think are doing a good job ecologically, economically, animal welfare wise, etc. .

                                      I am 100% FOR humane slaughter of horses. Even if it is for human food.

                                      The lack of available slaughter here in the US only HURTS horses.

                                      Comment

                                      • Original Poster

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Bluey View Post
                                        Maybe you ought to read for context?
                                        That is not an expose, that is an animal rights hatchet job opinion piece, with not one iota of truth or facts behind it.

                                        One reason the AQHA and 200+ other horse associations and industry affiliates was against the slaughter ban bill is because it was setting precedents that the HSUS was in charge.

                                        As long as those of us that understand the world as it is and our use of animals as the renewable, natural resource they are, you will find those that have them and the associations formed by them to try to protect the right to own and use animals from those that want to eliminate those rights on some wrongheaded idea of how this world works.

                                        Really, the ones that should be ashamed here are those that further animal rights agendas as that article is.

                                        Trying to make the AQHA an evil empire falls flat on the reality of who they are and what they do.
                                        That article is like asking your new coworker you don't even know, in an office full of people, how many times a day he beats his wife.

                                        All that about registrations and how the AQHA operates to make money etc. is pure speculation and not at all true.
                                        There are conventions where topics like embryo transfer and others are voted on.
                                        Right now there is a lawsuit against the AQHA because they voted against registering clones.
                                        That article is completely clueless how the AQHA operates, sorry.
                                        Only those that don't know either could believe all that pure nonsense.

                                        Assuming that the AQHA is and does what that article does, without any proof of any of that at all, well, knowing where that is coming from, you should have understood that is just more animal rights propaganda.
                                        Ahhh.... more paranoia about animal rights propaganda and HSUS. Oh no - they're coming to take your cows! And horses! And guns!!! Your husbands are next!!!!

                                        I definitely need to go into the tin foil hat business.

                                        This article is a completely rational and evidence-driven appraisal about AQHA and how the horse meat lobby operates. May not be convenient for those of you who want to butcher and eat horses, but nevertheless, it's accurate.
                                        "There's something about the outside of a horse that is good for the inside of a man" ~ Sir Winston Churchill

                                        Comment

                                        Working...
                                        X