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  • #61
    Originally posted by Ajierene View Post
    Actually, the current from of most warmbloods is less than 100 years old and some are less than 50 years old. The registries, for some, have existed longer, but the breed and breed standard has changed. Many were carriage/draft type horses in the 1800's and before- designed to pull farm loads, pull royalty, pull cannons. As the need for horses changed, so did the breeding practices. Some changed slower than others.
    True, though I hesitate to give 100% credence to Wiki entries. Still, they were more CARRIAGE horses crosses, rather than heavy draft crosses, and most of the draft crosses advertised today as WB today ARE heavy draft crosses - many generations away in type and consistency from a true WB.

    And yes, the types change. Generally, it used to be sort of "Hanoverian - dressage; Holsteiner - jumper." But a friend has quite a modern Holsteiner who, while he does have jumping talent, is much more suited to dressage. Granted, just one individual, but definitely different in type of the Holsteiners from the '40s and '50s. (And much of the German team immediately post war was mounted on full TBs, FWIW.)

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Ajierene View Post
      Actually, the current from of most warmbloods is less than 100 years old and some are less than 50 years old. The registries, for some, have existed longer, but the breed and breed standard has changed. Many were carriage/draft type horses in the 1800's and before- designed to pull farm loads, pull royalty, pull cannons. As the need for horses changed, so did the breeding practices. Some changed slower than others.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_Warmblood
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanoverian_%28horse%29
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanoverian_%28horse%29
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holsteiner_%28horse%29

      (To give a few examples. I know, all Wikipedia, but those were the first links to pop up).

      most 'warmblood breeds' actually started in the 18th century.

      The way they look has changed over the last 30 years....following the change of use.

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      • #63
        Didn't read the posts, but whats the difference of dog people breeding different breeds, ie laberdottle or whatever for whatever they are doing it for? It not my cup of tea, but who are we to judge?
        http://community.webshots.com/user/summitspringsfarm

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Summit Springs Farm View Post
          Didn't read the posts, but whats the difference of dog people breeding different breeds, ie laberdottle or whatever for whatever they are doing it for? It not my cup of tea, but who are we to judge?
          Some people, like myself, feel that bringing substandard horses into the world that aren't particularly good at anything, or even marketable at anything adds to the over population in kill pens. It's not as if grade horses are the next designer breed like a Labradoodle....they're just crappy grades that have the odds stacked against them.

          For what it's worth, I hate back yard dog breeders for the same reason.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by hundredacres View Post
            Some people, like myself, feel that bringing substandard horses into the world that aren't particularly good at anything, or even marketable at anything adds to the over population in kill pens. It's not as if grade horses are the next designer breed like a Labradoodle....they're just crappy grades that have the odds stacked against them.

            For what it's worth, I hate back yard dog breeders for the same reason.
            But why are they substandard? I mean I don't really care for cross breed dogs and lots of people do, it just is not my thing. It is also not my thing to breed horses for a crap shoot. BUT if there are people who enjoy these horses then why should we condem them?
            There is a family I know who LOVES their horse, its not a horse that does anything, but its a pet to them and they love him, so who am I to judge? I would never own a horse to be a pet, but they are happy and so is their horse.
            http://community.webshots.com/user/summitspringsfarm

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            • #66
              ok, ok, ok, ok---- but how do you get an "appaloosa" offspring from non-colored- no suggestion of recessive genetic input-- parents??????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????

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              • #67
                Originally posted by mickeydoodle View Post
                ok, ok, ok, ok---- but how do you get an "appaloosa" offspring from non-colored- no suggestion of recessive genetic input-- parents??????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????

                you call it breeding stock?

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Drvmb1ggl3 View Post
                  Belgium? Why do people say that instead of "Belgian"?
                  I've never heard anyone say an "Ireland" Draught, an "America" Saddlebred, a "Denmark"/"Sweden" Warmblood, a "Peru" Paso or an "England" Thoroughbred. But Belgium seems to get a good workout.
                  Because they're pretty. Duhhh!
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                  • #69
                    I often go and read the CL ads so that I can have a good laugh - actually one should cry - about the level of spoken/written English in this country, and the lack of knowledge about horses. In fact, we have a thread like this every so often. Sigh.....

                    He is 15.5 hands tall.

                    That there mare is gonna foal, if it is a stud colt I'll keep him, but if it is a filly colt I'll sale her.

                    That horse has real smooth gates.

                    NOTE: I hate back yard breeders of any sort. Dogs, horses, people.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Summit Springs Farm View Post
                      But why are they substandard? I mean I don't really care for cross breed dogs and lots of people do, it just is not my thing. It is also not my thing to breed horses for a crap shoot. BUT if there are people who enjoy these horses then why should we condem them?
                      There is a family I know who LOVES their horse, its not a horse that does anything, but its a pet to them and they love him, so who am I to judge? I would never own a horse to be a pet, but they are happy and so is their horse.
                      Unfortunately there aren't enough people out there who can keep all of the pet quality horses. Therein lies the problem. We have too many unmarketable horses in the world.

                      I'm a little shocked that this is hard to understand.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Summit Springs Farm View Post
                        Didn't read the posts, but whats the difference of dog people breeding different breeds, ie laberdottle or whatever for whatever they are doing it for? It not my cup of tea, but who are we to judge?
                        I think that most of us would agree that over-priced "designer" mutts aren't that great an idea, either. You want a "non-allergenic" dog, buy a freakin' standard poodle. Nice dogs, and smart. Non-show quality poodle can still be a very nice dog and not nearly as expensive as a $1,500 for a Labradoodle mutt.

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                        • #72
                          ^^Shrug^^ still think my preferred pairings are more better than etymoligical tradition

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                          • #73
                            ok, ok, ok, ok---- but how do you get an "appaloosa" offspring from non-colored- no suggestion of recessive genetic input-- parents???????????????????????????????????????????
                            have the horse stand downwind while you spray-paint the barn?

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by mickeydoodle View Post
                              ok, ok, ok, ok---- but how do you get an "appaloosa" offspring from non-colored- no suggestion of recessive genetic input-- parents??????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????
                              Maybe they're of the persuasion that can't tell an ordinary roan from an Appy roan (hint: check for "varnish" marks), or thinks a heavily dappled grey is an "Appaloosa." LOL

                              FWIW, there are a number of early AQHA registered horses that were actually minimally colored Appies (the famous Appaloosa Joker B's sire and damn were both AQHA registered), so a crop out IS a possibility, but from the crosses these folks are listing...eh...unlikely.

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                              • #75
                                The soon-to-be-vacating young woman that keeps her horses on our property calls her chestnut a "chocolate palomino" and her Appaloosa/Arabian/Thoroughbred/QH stallion she won't geld because "he makes such pretty babies." So the recently-deceased-due-to-oxygen-deprivation-caused-by-fescue-toxicosis foal was half Percheron/QH and half Appaloosa/Arabian/Thoroughbred/QH.

                                There was also a farm in our area that was having a "breeding dispersal sale" that included everything from Shetland pony crosses to Draft crosses and everything in between that they were breeding to produce "the perfect show pony."
                                If wishes were horses then beggars would ride...
                                DLA: Draft Lovers Anonymous
                                Originally posted by talkofthetown
                                As in, the majikal butterfly-fahting gypsy vanners.

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                                • #76
                                  Originally posted by HydroPHILE View Post
                                  The soon-to-be-vacating young woman that keeps her horses on our property calls her chestnut a "chocolate palomino" and her Appaloosa/Arabian/Thoroughbred/QH stallion she won't geld because "he makes such pretty babies." So the recently-deceased-due-to-oxygen-deprivation-caused-by-fescue-toxicosis foal was half Percheron/QH and half Appaloosa/Arabian/Thoroughbred/QH.

                                  There was also a farm in our area that was having a "breeding dispersal sale" that included everything from Shetland pony crosses to Draft crosses and everything in between that they were breeding to produce "the perfect show pony."

                                  ....

                                  There is really nothing anybody can say...

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