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  • #41
    Originally posted by candyappy View Post
    Actually a " grade" horse is any unregistered horse isn't it?

    In my corner of the world, 'grade horse' has always been the term used for a lighter draft X, of no discernible breed or specific cross.

    Here are three of our 'grade horses':

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    • #42
      Originally posted by philosoraptor View Post
      I'm with those who get a bit peeved when they hear a horse called a Belgium. Belgium is a country. The breed is Belgian. I'm sorry, I know it sounds mean, but my gut reaction is to assume the speaker isn't very well educated.
      Plus, darnit, I understand there IS such a thing as "Belgian WB" which is NOT the same as a "Belgian Draft." It makes a BIG difference in the cross (not that I'd be interested in any of these CL ones). When I've been helping people find horses, the thing that just gets my goat is wading through all the ads for WBs that turn out to be DRAFT crosses. Draft crosses are NOT WBs in the sporthorse sense. Maybe 200 years from now, if anyone bred selectively, but all these one-off draft crosses....!!!! People, they are NOT warmbloods!!

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      • #43
        Grade around here simply means no registration papers available at the time of the sale, regardless of breed or crossbreeding. Once the papers show up, or registration can be achieved (hardship, etc), the horse is then 'registered'.

        If the breeding program produced a great horse, and the papers ended up getting lost or there was no need for papers, you still end up with a great horse. I've had several of both varieties, and knock on wood, they've all been great!
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        • #44
          Originally posted by Drvmb1ggl3 View Post
          Belgium? Why do people say that instead of "Belgian"?
          I've never heard anyone say an "Ireland" Draught, an "America" Saddlebred, a "Denmark"/"Sweden" Warmblood, a "Peru" Paso or an "England" Thoroughbred. But Belgium seems to get a good workout.
          Thank you. Thank you. Bless you.
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          • #45
            Originally posted by michaleenflynn View Post
            In my corner of the world, 'grade horse' has always been the term used for a lighter draft X, of no discernible breed or specific cross.

            Here are three of our 'grade horses':

            https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater
            A grade horse has always been a horse of mixed breeding which cannot be registered as a BREED. Around here, anyway. And just because there are registries which accept any sort mixed cross does not make it a registered breed, its still a grade horse.

            Just sayin'.
            My warmbloods have actually drunk mulled wine in the past. Not today though. A drunk warmblood is a surly warmblood. - WildandWickedWarmbloods

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            • #46
              Originally posted by Sandy M View Post
              Plus, darnit, I understand there IS such a thing as "Belgian WB" which is NOT the same as a "Belgian Draft." It makes a BIG difference in the cross (not that I'd be interested in any of these CL ones). When I've been helping people find horses, the thing that just gets my goat is wading through all the ads for WBs that turn out to be DRAFT crosses. Draft crosses are NOT WBs in the sporthorse sense. Maybe 200 years from now, if anyone bred selectively, but all these one-off draft crosses....!!!! People, they are NOT warmbloods!!
              The difference between a "draft cross" or "grade" and a WB is about $10,000.00.

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              • #47
                We see a lot of STB crosses around here, usually with Belgians or Haflingers as those are the choice of the Amish in this area. I call them Amish Warmbloods .

                My "favorite" Amish Warmblood was a Belgian Dutch Harness Horse cross [sarc].
                Last edited by hundredacres; Aug. 1, 2012, 09:53 PM.

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                • #48
                  I have two Belgians. Pmu boys from Canada. "Off the truck from Canada."
                  I don't get real tense if someone spells it with a U.
                  I often say: U get your big self over. U get outta my space. U move your big butt. U quit giving me the stink eye. U can T'Rot! U better quit. U Whoa! U is a Good Boy.

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                  • #49
                    Originally posted by Pat9 View Post
                    Only the uneducated. The same ones who say Welch instead of Welsh.
                    Or "gilding" for "gelding." (Actually I thought a gelding was a horse who had had his "gilding" removed!)

                    I keep seeing ads for "palominos" that are actually Haflingers. I even saw a library book that had actually made it through editing and gotten published, about "Haflingers: Austria's Palominos.

                    Oh, well, I also have seen a paperback edition of Born to Trot that had on its cover ... a pacer!
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                    • #50
                      and this one (something like):...." she is a philly and is broken".

                      I hate it when that happens!

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                      • #51
                        Originally posted by Ambitious Kate View Post
                        A grade horse has always been a horse of mixed breeding which cannot be registered as a BREED. Around here, anyway. And just because there are registries which accept any sort mixed cross does not make it a registered breed, its still a grade horse.

                        Just sayin'.
                        Your definition and mine do not contradict each other
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                        • #52
                          That IS an odd grab-bag of mares, but it least it's an arabian stallion. They tend to cross well with (and even improve) most any conglomeration, and, as a poster mentioned, are even registerable.

                          And as for mis-pronunciations, I cringe-smiled at a previous secretary's calling our building's atrium the "artrarium." And the thing you refilled a machine's ink with was a "cartilege." She would have a "croo-sahn" for lunch.

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                          • #53
                            Originally posted by SwampYankee View Post
                            The difference between a "draft cross" or "grade" and a WB is about $10,000.00.
                            Got it in one! LOL Sadly - and I realize it's hardly a definitive "study" - but every draft cross I have personally known has retired rather prematurely due to soundness issues. A Shire/TB with severe ringbone at age 10, another Shire/TB (actually 3/4 TB, but still) with hocks beyond repair at 13, a Belgian/TB with calf knees retired at age 12, etc., etc. Hey, arthritis got to my old 2nd gen App/TB cross, too...but he was functional and sound in dressage with minimal veterinary help until he was about 20, and still suitable for trail riding after that.

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                            • #54
                              Originally posted by michaleenflynn View Post
                              Major pet peeve, second only to 'heart-wrenching' (heart-rending), and only because I hear that one more often
                              I don't know... I've had my heart wrenched more often than rended.

                              transitive verb
                              1: to twist violently
                              2: to injure or disable by a violent twisting or straining <wrenched her back>

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                              • #55
                                You people made me look it up http://www.thefreedictionary.com/rend .
                                Rent(archaic) and rend come from the Old English renden and render from latin/french rendre.

                                I've seen some speshul registered horses as well , so you have to ask yourself is the breeding program a program or just so many darts tossed at the dartboard in the hopes they'll get something nice.
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                                • #56
                                  When I've been helping people find horses, the thing that just gets my goat is wading through all the ads for WBs that turn out to be DRAFT crosses. Draft crosses are NOT WBs in the sporthorse sense. Maybe 200 years from now, if anyone bred selectively, but all these one-off draft crosses....!!!! People, they are NOT warmbloods!!
                                  but they are, aren't they? a cold-blood is a draft; a hot blood is a TB or arab; and a warmblood is a cross between the two. Warmblood= light draft or draft crossed with lighter horses. There are warmblood breeds, yes, but also warmblood non-breeds.

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                                  • #57
                                    Originally posted by SmartAlex View Post
                                    I don't know... I've had my heart wrenched more often than rended.

                                    transitive verb
                                    1: to twist violently
                                    2: to injure or disable by a violent twisting or straining <wrenched her back>
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                                    • #58
                                      Originally posted by wendy View Post
                                      but they are, aren't they? a cold-blood is a draft; a hot blood is a TB or arab; and a warmblood is a cross between the two. Warmblood= light draft or draft crossed with lighter horses. There are warmblood breeds, yes, but also warmblood non-breeds.
                                      Nope. And except for Trakheners, there are no WB "breeds." They are a type and have registries. They are bred to a standard - one which a one-off draft cross does not meet. Some registries run to certain blood lines and therefore seem to be "breeds," but a horse can be registered in one WB registry and have a parent from another WB registry. And "Oldenburg" is the catch-all: A friend's horse is sired by a Hanoverian stallion out of a Trakhener mare. He is a premium foal: Oldenburg. Had the sire been TB or approved Arabian, he could have been registered Trakhener (sort of the analog to the AQHA/Appendix QH from a TB cross, and therefore still of the "breed" as far as the Trakhener registry is concerned.) He has a half-brother out of a Hanoverian mare which is registered as Hanoverian, since both sire and dam are of that registry. LOL When one is seeking to buy a "Warmblood," it usually means a EUROPEAN (or of European bloodlines) horse, the result of a couple of 100 years of selective breeding, not a one-off draft-cross.

                                      Heck, in the sense of "WB" versus coldblood Appaloosas are considered WBs, but they are not European WBs in the sense that one would advertise them as such. (Of course, mine is half-Arab - hot + warm - what does that make HIM? LOL)

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                                      • #59
                                        Originally posted by Sandy M View Post
                                        When one is seeking to buy a "Warmblood," it usually means a EUROPEAN (or of European bloodlines) horse, the result of a couple of 100 years of selective breeding, not a one-off draft-cross.
                                        Actually, the current from of most warmbloods is less than 100 years old and some are less than 50 years old. The registries, for some, have existed longer, but the breed and breed standard has changed. Many were carriage/draft type horses in the 1800's and before- designed to pull farm loads, pull royalty, pull cannons. As the need for horses changed, so did the breeding practices. Some changed slower than others.

                                        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_Warmblood
                                        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanoverian_%28horse%29
                                        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanoverian_%28horse%29
                                        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holsteiner_%28horse%29

                                        (To give a few examples. I know, all Wikipedia, but those were the first links to pop up).

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                                        • #60
                                          Originally posted by hundredacres View Post
                                          and this one (something like):...." she is a philly and is broken".

                                          I hate it when that happens!
                                          I think I have one of those!

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