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  • #61
    Thank you all for your feedback. I was wrong.
    "The captive bolt is not a proper tool for slaughter of equids they regain consciousness 30 seconds after being struck fully aware they are being vivisected." Dr Friedlander DVM & frmr Chief USDA Insp

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    • #62
      Shall refrain from taking sides on this one.

      The ONLY barns I have ever seen work off board/lesson arrangements successful were those with a formalized system of signing in and out, a white board listing specific duties each day and a credit of $10 per signed in hour towards expenses.

      It worked great on 2 fronts. First was keeping it just like a "real" job. It was only offered to well known clients after they had been in the barn for awhile. It was monitored closely, late, not performing assigned duties or no show and you were out.

      The second thing it did was really teach the value of such work...took 5 hours for a lesson, 7 if you needed a school horse. Not much of a dent in the board working after school and weekends.

      Most barns have stopped doing this lately. They need cash and can do most of the stuff the kids used to do themselves or with exsisting paid staff.

      One barn that did this extensively went out of business completely-the hay guy wanted cash on the spot in the last drought year and they could not raise it when they promised work offs to so many. They were also a little behind with some other bills.

      If you are going to do it, it needs to be formalized and a time sheet kept. I know all moms love their DDs but...sometimes...unless you are there to see what really happens????? Reality might be somewhat different that what they tell us and/or they can misremember what was said by whom to whom in some conversations.
      When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

      The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

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      • #63
        I guess my main question would be how does your daughter feel about this whole arrangement?

        When I was 15/16ish, I worked from 6am to noon every day at a barn by my father's house. I was supposed to be getting lessons- I think I got one actual lesson, but I got several rides warming up the lesson ponies.

        I was totally taken advantage of, as I was working my little teenage buns off in the hot sun, mucking for six hours straight (6 pastures and 30 stalls, every day!), but I HAD A BLAST!!! I met new friends, rode new horses, and spent six hours of every day surrounded by the only thing I had on my mind as a teenager: HORSES.

        My father got all business-man about the lesson agreement, but before he went to the BO, I interrupted him and reminded him of what I would be doing otherwise: sitting on the sofa, alone, all day, doing nothing. Best summer ever, really!!

        While your frustrations are totally valid, and the trainer should be held accountable, I would ask your DD her thoughts first.

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        • #64
          I do hope the DD is not totally stuck now that her mother has had a temper tantrum on the internet
          yup. Did mommie dearest just screw up a nice situation for dd?

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          • #65
            Originally posted by findeight View Post

            The ONLY barns I have ever seen work off board/lesson arrangements successful were those with a formalized system of signing in and out, a white board listing specific duties each day..
            This. this. THIS. Thissssssss.

            I'm always confused why people don't put this these situations in writing and use some sort of time/chore keeping/tracking management. It teaches younger riders and maintains accountability for all parties and eliminates the who-did-what/who's-owed-what headaches and should keep internet blow-ups to a minimum. *Not* this situation at all, but I just watched a work off board/lesson implode all over Facebook yesterday.

            I hope this situation has civil meeting of the minds and everyone can move forward.

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            • #66
              When I was a kid, I got into a situation like this with a well-known trainer in my area. My family couldn't afford lessons, but I was a horse crazy kid and was willing to do anything for them. I approached owner/trainer of this facility myself when I was 11 years old and fairly begged for the opportunity to work for lessons. They agreed reluctantly.

              I don't know if it was intentional or not, but I was worked well above and beyond what the monetary value of the lessons I received were. I probably worked 4-5 hours a day for 5 days for a lesson on the weekend. However, as I progressed and stuck it out, the trainer started giving me more and more responsibility and I progressed to less stall cleaning and more horse work and then eventually riding. I got to where I was doing a great deal of riding and by the time I was 17, was riding client horses for this barn. Yes, I paid dearly through my sweat and tears for every scrap of riding ability I achieved--and I felt used and abused more often than not. But at some point I realized that I had achieved a level of riding ability *and* horse care/management that I would not have been able to get in any other way.

              My mother thought I was being used and tried her hardest to keep me away from this barn. She didn't understand my willingness to work myself to death for no money. She spent all of my teenage years disapproving. Sometimes I felt used, sometimes I felt sorry for myself, but the lure of the horses and the learning always pulled me back the next day. Looking back, I am glad I did what I did, even though the scales were not tipped to my advantage from a purely monetary standpoint. If your daughter is anything like me and simply craves time at the barn, whether shoveling manure or riding, she's probably content and doesn't feel taken advantage of--and if she does, feels like it's worth it for what she gets out of it.

              Of course, my situation was not complicated by boarding horses with this person, so I can't speak to that aspect of your situation. But I would monitor the situation and would be careful. But if you daughter is happy and enjoys her time at the barn doing chores, the extra work will be good for her.

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