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  • Original Poster

    #21
    I have no plans to do so, which I stated. I did google her, i have no intentions of stalking this person. Which is why I asked if there was anything more I can do.

    She could very well have a good explanation. However, as a horse owner, if you advertise a really skinny horse, you should either explain why the horse is thin, or expect some suspicions.

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    • #22
      Originally posted by spacytracy View Post
      . . .She could very well have a good explanation. However, as a horse owner, if you advertise a really skinny horse, you should either explain why the horse is thin, or expect some suspicions.
      Yes, but having an old horse is often given as the reason they are thin and it doesn't have to be that way. So even giving explanations doesn't always work.

      I hope this seller gets back to you. It's doubly bad to have a flaky seller whan you have concerns about the horse.
      Courageous Weenie Eventer Wannabe
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      • #23
        You are basing calling AC on a picture.

        This could be an old picture and the pony overweight now. Until you actually see a skinny animal AC should not be involved. Wait for them to contact you before moving forward.
        I support equine meat processing as an option for those who choose to use it.

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        • #24
          Originally posted by wonderhorseguy View Post
          You are basing calling AC on a picture.

          This could be an old picture and the pony overweight now. Until you actually see a skinny animal AC should not be involved. Wait for them to contact you before moving forward.
          She called her local AC for advise.

          About 20 years ago somebody opened the gates and let out our 5 horses. They were caught by somebody about a mile away. We went and got them. Put them away and bought locks for the gates. That person called our local large animal AC, LAPS.
          LAPS came out and checked out the barn, the horses etc.. She was fine with their condition. She said they were in better condition than her own horses. If anything one was a bit plump. I had no problem with LAPS coming and looking around.

          We as a society complain that nobody wants to get involved and call the police etc.. I have seen threads here where posters complain about how the neighbors, farrier etc..let it get so bad but nobody called authorities and now there are dead horses.

          Yet here we are condeming the OP for calling AC. If the pony owners have nothing to hide they can tell AC. "Hey, here is my bill of sale from the auction from a month ago. Pony looks better. Pony was sick and lost weight- here is my vet's phone number. Pony has Cushing's and we are still tweeking meds etc... Hey AC that was a phone from a year ago. Pony looks fabulous now."
          If there is a legitimate reason they should have no problem justifying it to AC.
          We currently have a 28 yo TB on the property that is quite thin. He eats a ton of food. The vet, farrier and equine dentist see him on a regular basis. He is still thin. I don't think he is able to absorb his nutrients as well as he used to.
          He still drags the owner to turn-out. He still does a canter lap around the field before settling in to eat grass. The BO would have no problems with AC showing up and checking out the horse and the rest of the farm.
          I just had to cut my horse's food since he was getting too fat. The other horses on the farm are either a good weight or on the plump side.

          Most of the time with AC the horses need to be REALLY bad off for them to go in and confiscate them on the first visit. If AC can go in and either find out the legitimate reason the pony is thin or do some education to get pony back on track why not? At least the pony is now on AC's radar to monitor to make sure it doesn't get worse.
          Oh, well, clearly you're not thoroughly indoctrinated to COTH yet, because finger pointing and drawing conclusions are the cornerstones of this great online community. (Tidy Rabbit)

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          • Original Poster

            #25
            That's more or less my feeling. I understand that it might be annoying or intruding to have AC come to your house when you are a legitimate horse owner, but I'm not trying to hang this person.

            It's a non issue since AC didn't return my call anyway.

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            • #26
              Originally posted by SonnysMom View Post
              We as a society complain that nobody wants to get involved and call the police etc.. I have seen threads here where posters complain about how the neighbors, farrier etc..let it get so bad but nobody called authorities and now there are dead horses.

              Yet here we are condeming the OP for calling AC. If the pony owners have nothing to hide they can tell AC. "Hey, here is my bill of sale from the auction from a month ago. Pony looks better. Pony was sick and lost weight- here is my vet's phone number. Pony has Cushing's and we are still tweeking meds etc... Hey AC that was a phone from a year ago. Pony looks fabulous now."
              If there is a legitimate reason they should have no problem justifying it to AC.
              We currently have a 28 yo TB on the property that is quite thin. He eats a ton of food. The vet, farrier and equine dentist see him on a regular basis. He is still thin. I don't think he is able to absorb his nutrients as well as he used to.
              He still drags the owner to turn-out. He still does a canter lap around the field before settling in to eat grass. The BO would have no problems with AC showing up and checking out the horse and the rest of the farm.
              I just had to cut my horse's food since he was getting too fat. The other horses on the farm are either a good weight or on the plump side.

              Most of the time with AC the horses need to be REALLY bad off for them to go in and confiscate them on the first visit. If AC can go in and either find out the legitimate reason the pony is thin or do some education to get pony back on track why not? At least the pony is now on AC's radar to monitor to make sure it doesn't get worse.
              I think there is a balance. We can't go hanging people immediately unless we have some facts. A few years ago I drove by a house a few times and saw a very skinny horse in the paddock. On the 3rd pass I saw a woman outside so I stopped. I approached her ready to nail her, ya know? But I hid it and went to her with calm -- I asked if she needed any help with the horse. She ended up sharing one of the saddest stories ~~ the horse was her daughters, they were feeding it supplements, it's teeth were floated, etc. but she wasn't keeping weight. She was a 24 year old mare that belonged to her daughter who just had a baby that had been in ICU with a serious heart problem and wasn't expected to live. This woman couldn't bring herself to put the horse down just yet - she couldn't do that to her daughter. The mare was bright eyed, but really, really skinny. She had clean water, a shed, fly mask, bottles of fly spray...they loved her. About a month later I passed by again and saw the paddock gate opened and the track from a tractor. The mare was gone. It was rather sad.....it was probably a huge decision, or horrible timing for that family. Either way, I'm so glad that animal control hadn't harassed them at such a sad time.

              I try to give people the benefit of the doubt to avoid the witch hunt phenomenon . Sometimes the evidence is too overwhelming but I believe in this OP we don't have enough information and spacytracy did all she could.

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              • Original Poster

                #27
                Believe me I'm not going on any crusades. I guess I'm just a little bummed that I might ot find out what became of him.

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by hundredacres View Post
                  I think there is a balance. We can't go hanging people immediately unless we have some facts. A few years ago I drove by a house a few times and saw a very skinny horse in the paddock. On the 3rd pass I saw a woman outside so I stopped. I approached her ready to nail her, ya know? But I hid it and went to her with calm -- I asked if she needed any help with the horse. She ended up sharing one of the saddest stories ~~ the horse was her daughters, they were feeding it supplements, it's teeth were floated, etc. but she wasn't keeping weight. She was a 24 year old mare that belonged to her daughter who just had a baby that had been in ICU with a serious heart problem and wasn't expected to live. This woman couldn't bring herself to put the horse down just yet - she couldn't do that to her daughter. The mare was bright eyed, but really, really skinny. She had clean water, a shed, fly mask, bottles of fly spray...they loved her. About a month later I passed by again and saw the paddock gate opened and the track from a tractor. The mare was gone. It was rather sad.....it was probably a huge decision, or horrible timing for that family. Either way, I'm so glad that animal control hadn't harassed them at such a sad time.

                  I try to give people the benefit of the doubt to avoid the witch hunt phenomenon . Sometimes the evidence is too overwhelming but I believe in this OP we don't have enough information and spacytracy did all she could.
                  Why is you stopping by and asking about her horse and her telling the story to you okay but her telling her story to AC harrassment?

                  Also in your situation you can drive by regularly to see is horse is getting worse or if the place looks like a dump.

                  In OP's case she has no way to follow-up or actually check out the pony since she doesn't know where the pony lives.
                  Let AC do their job. If the owner is really doing right by the horse then AC will move on their merry way. If they aren't doing right through ignorance and the horse isn't in immediate danger AC generally tries to educate the owner.
                  If anything AC tends to have their hands tied. In some locations there just needs to be food and shelter available on the property, even if they don't give it to the horse.
                  If AC follows up on a report and asks the horse owner a few questions I don't consider that awful or harassment. Maybe AC already has a history with an individual either there or a different location. That horse owner isn't likely to tell that to some stranger. Maybe they have been court ordered to not have animals. hundredacres, that 24 year old horse could have been 12 but that owner is a pathological liar and spun you a giant sob story. Or maybe it was the real situation.
                  Maybe AC would have been able to provide her with some different feeding suggestions to help that horse's weight. They are in a better position to ask: what type of hay are you feeding, do you feed three meals per day, have you tried dengie, beet pulp, rice bran, oil etc....

                  Yes, OP is basing this off of one picture. I have seen the picture. Is the pony a walking skeleton? No. But the pony is distinctly showing a back bone and the butt is pretty ^ shaped. The picture they are sending is a sale picture so the picture is likely to be the best they have. This is also a pony. IME ponies tend to be easy keepers. An underweight pony to me is more concerning than an underweight horse.

                  I really don't feel like it is my role to stalk somebody with a thin animal until I happen to be able to talk to them or to march up to their front door and push the issue. However, morally I feel that reporting them to AC for AC to assess and discuss the particulars of that animal is the right thing to do.

                  As I mentioned before I didn't have a problem with LAPS visiting my barn when the neighbor called them. I didn't view it as harassment.

                  One time I was house sitting, including staying overnight and the neighbor called AC. He was seeing the dog out in the yard quite a bit but wasn't seeing the owners car. He couldn't see water for the dog. The dog had a dog door from the covered screened porch into the house. The water was in the house.
                  I would leave at 6:30 in the morning, stop in at 4:30 on the way home for about 15 minutes and come back for the night at about 10 pm. The neighbor was just missing my car due to timing. I had not problem talking to AC. (They left a note on the door so I called them back). The dog owner appreciated that somebody was looking out for his dog. We both got a good laugh about it. Neither of us felt like we were harassed by AC.
                  Oh, well, clearly you're not thoroughly indoctrinated to COTH yet, because finger pointing and drawing conclusions are the cornerstones of this great online community. (Tidy Rabbit)

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