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1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.
This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.
Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.
Credible threats of suicide will be reported to the police along with identifying user information at our disposal, in addition to referring the user to suicide helpline resources such as 1-800-SUICIDE or 1-800-273-TALK.
2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.
3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.
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Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.
Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.
Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.
Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:
Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.
Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.
Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.
Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.
Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.
Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.
Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.
5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.
6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.
If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.
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8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.
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Is there any reason to smack the private parts of a ridden horse either? Getting him paying attention to you and working is good enough in almost every case.Originally posted by Diamondindykin View PostI have shown with quite a few stallion and it is common to smack their private parts if they drop when being ridden but we are talking mature breeding stallions not young foals. There is no reason to smack a foal for something like that
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my opinion is that is one of the more vile things to do to a stallion and you need to hang out with smarter peopleOriginally posted by pal-o-mino View PostShe said if I didn't want to whack him, that she would do it, but I wouldn't let her. It just didn't seem right, the baby wasn't doing anything wrong that I could see, and he is only 2. Your opinion?
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Just wanted to note that he is gelded.Originally posted by Tamara in TN View Postmy opinion is that is one of the more vile things to do to a stallion and you need to hang out with smarter people
Tamara
Yeah, I alreaady got the name of a new bodywork person...lol. she was out once and then this was a recheck. So no more.
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Geez - the first time I brought the old guy into a stall and let him have his bucket of grain in a protected space he dropped and got an erection and I felt good that I'd done something he liked so much! Am I some sort of perv?
If the pony is talking dirty over the fence to the mares and lets it drop and get erect I'll say something, growl or whatever, but why would I discourage a behavior that's useful to me at sheath cleaning time by smacking him? He can't pee without dropping it for Heaven's sakes.Courageous Weenie Eventer Wannabe
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Hahaha!!! Yeah I think the lady that whacks the poor horse on the penis needs to have some sensitive part of her smacked when she's relaxing. Seriously, growling and pointing the halter whip in the general direction of the offending part and moving them back or forward works pretty well, then they learn hey when she does this I need to suck it up. Pretty easy to install button, no smacking needed.Originally posted by lovey1121 View PostWonder if this'd work on my DDH?? Grrrrr.....
PUT THAT AWAY.
The last thing you want on a horse that may be drug tested is fear of dropping in front of the "weenie watcher" at shows lol.Michael: Seems the people who burned me want me for a job.
Sam: A job? Does it pay?
Michael: Nah, it's more of a "we'll kill you if you don't do it" type of thing.
Sam: Oh. I've never liked those.
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20 years ago I saw a farrier / half ass race horse trainer kick the crap out of a stallion in his stomach & flanks for dropping. In my opinion he was a) embarrassed to have two young ladies seeing the studs equipment b) showing off his "maniless" in being able to beat up a real live stallion.
The horse just got confused & upset & I was disgusted with the man, but not gutsy enough back then to say what I thought. I'd definitely speak up for the horse now!
I think only those not so bright & prone to anthropomophise their animals think the dropping is something that needs to be disciplined. Yeah in a halter show I could see it being inconvenient, but it sounds like you all have some humane strategies for diverting the horses attention.
My new OTTB gelding drops when I start currying his neck & his haunches. I think it's great as he was given to me as being antsy & difficult in crossties - I think his dropping is a sign he is relaxed & not stressed by my handling.
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The horse I lease will always drop when I groom him after a ride, but not before. He doesn't swing it around, but when I start currying certain areas on his neck, it does come out. His ears also go out sideways, his lips flop, his eyes close, and he lets out a sigh. Hardly threatening, and I would never smack him for that behavior.The best sports bras for riders are Anita 5527 and Panache! Size UP in Anita, down in Panache (UK sizing)
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Just curious: How do you smack the private parts while you're riding? If I did it with any accuracy, I'd fall off.Originally posted by Diamondindykin View PostI have shown with quite a few stallion and it is common to smack their private parts if they drop when being ridden but we are talking mature breeding stallions not young foals. There is no reason to smack a foal for something like that
Which would be my payback for doing it.
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Who have not found the peace in being free
to have a horse as a best friend."
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I had a friend who had a gelding who would really get into his self pleasure when we would be standing around trainer in a lesson. Any time she would stop riding him, he would whip it out and start flapping it against his stomach. He would be to the point of almost zoning out he was so into it. Trainer made rider bring a bat with her to the ring and every time he started doing that the trainer would smack him either on the shoulder or stomach in the vicinity of the waving object. He became better about not doing it in lessons as long as trainer was holding the bat. At shows, friend just carried the bat, especially while standing around getting ready to school or go into ring for her class. If she didn't have it he would start in. I don't think it is necessary to punish every horse, but this horse took it to the extreme.
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Originally posted by Flypony View PostThe woman is a nut. Slap her in the privates, twice, once from me.
The woman obviously has issues. Should have asked her why she was looking.The ultimate goal of farming is not the growing of crops, but the cultivation and perfection of human beings.
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Way back, around 1980 or so, I was taking lessons at a public arena. Another trainer & her husband used the arena also at the same time for lessons. One day, the husband came hobbling up on crutches with a cast on his foot & up his leg. I overheard the story. Seems he went to kick a horse in the privates when the horse was dropping and the horse moved or his aim was off and he got the top of his foot right on the horse's stifle. Horse's stifle won; husband's foot got shattered.
I felt that was justice.
There is no such thing as "bad" horsemanship or "good" horsemanship. There is simply Horsemanship or the absence thereof.
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I am taken aback that this woman is apparently a bodyworker and seems unfamiliar with the very-common response of a male horse during a good massage session. This happens all the time. It happens with stallions and geldings, with horses of all ages. It's a very normal and expected reaction (and yes, does signify relaxation, as everyone here already knows).
Ignore this lady's bizarre advice. And find another bodyworker, as I'd have serious qualms about this person's experience and skill.Equinox Equine Massage
In the depth of winter, I finally learned that there was in me invincible summer. -Albert Camus
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I would not punish a horse for what your horse did. In my opinion my gelding can do whatever he wants with his junk especially when your intent is to relax him.
Years ago I was at a breed show and I saw a stallion let it out, start to get a woody as he was rumbling at a mare. The owner lightly tapped the 5th leg with her whip. I was pretty young and I'd never seen a horse corrected like that (so I was a bit aghasted), but in hindsight the horse didn't seem upset or hurt at all and he didn't even move, but he did put it back in. It was really a non-event and he seemed to understand what the handler was trying to achieve.
I don't don't have a stallion so this isn't something I would have to worry about, as my guy is welcome to air his junk out whenever he wants. But it didn't seem where the stallion I saw was hurt by or fearful of this very light correction.
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Yes this is what ALL of the 4-H/westurn-pleezer/stock-halter horse people do it in Wayne county, OH.Originally posted by mbm View Postthis is something uneducated people do to "teach them a lesson" ...
Even saw one "good ol' boy" spectator at a show get positively outraged because a handler would not "beat the livin' sh*t outta that there stud hoss in his *privates* with the (silver-coated) shank.
I won't go anywhere near ANY of these morons.
I figure it is not only a low IQ, and passed-on ignorance, but because they all suffer from the Roy Rogers & Dale Evans syndrome.
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