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  • Originally posted by Giddy-up View Post
    well of course. why not at this point?

    We are going to want full details though!
    Will someone who is going to those 2 shows please take a video camera? Please!

    And where is Child B's mother? Even if the father allows her to ride and signs a waiver, the mother can sue if the kid is injured. Always get waivers from both parents (and any person who has been designated as the child's guardian if the parents' arent in the picture.).

    Can we have a stick art of Horse-Loverz pulling out her hair? Glad you are in the medical field so you can administer first aid at the barn.

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    • Originally posted by cloudyandcallie View Post
      Glad you are in the medical field so you can administer first aid at the barn.
      What, and get dragged into the lawsuit, too?

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      • Originally posted by MHM View Post
        What, and get dragged into the lawsuit, too?
        Most states have "good samaritan" laws which were enacted to protect professionals who came upon accidents and rendered aid, and then got sued.
        These laws prevent someone from suing the professionals who stop at accidents and help.

        I certainly would not tell Horse-loverz to do anything that would hurt her, as she is the best stick artist ever!

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        • Yes, but would she have to pay a lawyer to defend her against the threat of a lawsuit? That could also cut into her valuable stick art time.

          I think the best advice regarding this whole situation comes from the great legal mind of Monty Python:
          "Run away!"

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            Awwww thanks for being concerned about me getting sued affecting my stick art time...... I'm touched...

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            My daughter maaaaay be going to that show.... just as a groom though... .Trainer is going to be very busy at that show (even before drama) and daughter wants to just go and watch and help out.. not to show.... I however will be at work... hmmmm I could teach her to use the camera if she's not too busy helping trainer out.
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            • Originally posted by horse-loverz View Post
              Awwww thanks for being concerned about me getting sued affecting my stick art time...... I'm touched...

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              My daughter maaaaay be going to that show.... just as a groom though... .Trainer is going to be very busy at that show (even before drama) and daughter wants to just go and watch and help out.. not to show.... I however will be at work... hmmmm I could teach her to use the camera if she's not too busy helping trainer out.
              Don't let your daughter have anything to do with A and B and the pony at that show! We don't want her to get hurt. And you to be bald.
              Meanwhile, tell her we want videos not only of the pony, but of the parents

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              • Originally posted by horse-loverz View Post
                I could teach her to use the camera if she's not too busy helping trainer out.
                How many kids could you arm with video cameras?

                This could be a very successful reality show!

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                • Trainer needs to boot Parent B, yesterday. He's an idiot, and as others have pointed out, a huge liability. I wouldn't have him on my farm, if I were her.

                  And I would be talking to Parent A, too, and reading her silly ass the riot act. What a couple of losers. Poor, poor kids.
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                  • [QUOTE=dacasodivine;3475576]
                    I think trainer should consider getting a tape recorder out and with it in full view say, "I want it on tape that you are not to put your child on that pony unless I, trainer, am present as pony is dangerous and could hurt her."

                    Or better yet, "I want it on tape that you have disregarded my previous advice not to have your child on dangerous pony so you and your pony must leave. Child is not to ride pony on these premises at all!"

                    QUOTE]

                    Been lurking here - above is great advice for the saintly, but vulnerable, trainer.
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                    • Originally posted by Plumcreek View Post

                      Been lurking here - above is great advice for the saintly, but vulnerable, trainer.
                      Better still, use the video camera instead of the tape recorder, so it's absolutely crystal clear who was involved in the conversation. Video the pony, for good measure, so it can also be identified.

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                      • The trainer needs to talk to her insurance agent and lawyer immediately-I bet parents A & B plus the pony will be barnless by sundown. Since the trainer now knows what parent B is doing and has knowledge of what he wants to do to the pony (drugging the poor little animal) she may be liable to USEF on the drugs and legally if any injury occurs to the children or anyone else. The time for nice has ended-people need to protect themselves from lawsuits and potential suspension (doesn't the trainer sign the paperwork for showing? And would she be on the hook for drugging charges if the idiot parent does drug the pony and gets caught?). Parent B especially has broken every rule of the barn and needs to be gone now. And H-L your daughter shouldn't be anywhere near that poor pony-bet if something goes wrong she'll get some of the blame too (which leaves her lots of time to videotape the action-is anyone going to the show that she can tag along with just to spectate and tape? Personally I think you could make a bunch of money selling copies of the video through the COTH classified to certain board members-sign me up for a copy). Jerks like Parent B are never wrong and always blame everyone else for their screwups, and like everyone else I see a big accident coming. I love the idea of taping the conversation with the parent-and if he objects to the taping then he and his pony can leave immediately-and I think parent A should leave too-let's face it the trainer has already been way too accommodating to this bunch of idiots and is going to end up sued in the end.
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                        • Originally posted by horse-loverz View Post
                          Trainer and I are now convinced that either A: He hates the kid.. or B: he has a massive life insurance policy on the kid...
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                          Well, Option B has been my theory since the very beginning so if we are going to commence wagering that is my bet!

                          Poor little kid, poor pony, poor H-L. Lucky us, they are going to a show! Sorry, two days of back to school shopping have made me mean.

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                          • Originally posted by JanM View Post
                            The trainer needs to talk to her insurance agent and lawyer immediately-I bet parents A & B plus the pony will be barnless by sundown. Since the trainer now knows what parent B is doing and has knowledge of what he wants to do to the pony (drugging the poor little animal) she may be liable to USEF on the drugs and legally if any injury occurs to the children or anyone else. The time for nice has ended-people need to protect themselves from lawsuits and potential suspension (doesn't the trainer sign the paperwork for showing? And would she be on the hook for drugging charges if the idiot parent does drug the pony and gets caught?). Parent B especially has broken every rule of the barn and needs to be gone now. And H-L your daughter shouldn't be anywhere near that poor pony-bet if something goes wrong she'll get some of the blame too (which leaves her lots of time to videotape the action-is anyone going to the show that she can tag along with just to spectate and tape? Personally I think you could make a bunch of money selling copies of the video through the COTH classified to certain board members-sign me up for a copy). Jerks like Parent B are never wrong and always blame everyone else for their screwups, and like everyone else I see a big accident coming. I love the idea of taping the conversation with the parent-and if he objects to the taping then he and his pony can leave immediately-and I think parent A should leave too-let's face it the trainer has already been way too accommodating to this bunch of idiots and is going to end up sued in the end.
                            QFT. There is enough danger of getting sued in horse activities due to simple accidents, and the combination of this pony + the owners = train wreck. The trainer needs to fire these clients ASAP.

                            Does the trainer even realize that if one of the girls has a bad fall and ends up in the hospital, the health insurance company will probably sue her and the pony's owners won't have a say in the matter? There have been several COTH threads about that just in the last year or so.

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                              Older girl can handle pony...it's just the little one that is the major concern..
                              Trainer has been doing some digging on the history of the pony to see if it is truly evil or the result of bad training so that she can see how to best approach pony. One girl at the barn remembers pony from a few years back and remembers that the pony used to be a good little packer pony. But evidently previous girl got bored.. pushed for speed.. then switched to eventing.. for more speed hence pony learned to land and gallop like heck to next fence. This gave trainer hope that with TIME.. key word TIME and the correct training that they may have a chance to get the good pony back.. if everyone would just be PATIENT.
                              Last edited by horse-loverz; Sep. 4, 2008, 10:00 PM.
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                              • Ok this one rivals the child in pasture thread!!!!
                                But wondering, is Parent B the real parent of the 6 yr old ? It just seems real odd -I can't imagine doing that to your six year old.
                                Well I guess some people..
                                That poor girl is going to grow up with a lot of shrink bills....

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                                • Originally posted by horse-loverz View Post
                                  This gave trainer hope that with TIME.. key word TIME and the correct training that they may have a chance to get the good pony back.
                                  That's a great theory and all, but in the meantime, it's a completely unsuitable runaway pony for one of the owners, and the dad either doesn't know or doesn't care that his kid could get hurt or killed. And he's tricky, too.

                                  Also, if they want to attend shows with the trainer, the runaway pony will not reflect well on her training program, unless she makes them wear a saddle pad that says, "Bought without trainer's approval."

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                                    Originally posted by MHM View Post
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                                    unless she makes them wear a saddle pad that says, "Bought without trainer's approval."

                                    I Loff this idea... I am Definately going to tell her that heck she may have one custom made...
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                                    • Originally posted by horse-loverz View Post
                                      I Loff this idea... I am Definately going to tell her that heck she may have one custom made...
                                      Well, if she comes up with a cute one, she should copyright it and sell them to other trainers in a similar situation- she could make a fortune!

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                                      • I do hope Trainer-Saint (T-S) is DOCUMENTING all these things kid-killer-dad (kkd) is doing: On date time T-S told kkd NOT to let child ride pony. On date and time kkd put child on lunge on pony w/o T-S permission. On date time T-S told both kid and kkd NO PONY RIDES.

                                        Documentation is going to be necessary. Witnesses. And yes, get it on video!!!
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                                        • I truly believe that when (not if) parent B is told to take his pony and leave that he will then tell everyone that the current trainer was somehow responsible for him buying the unmanageable pony-after all remember no good deed goes unpunished. And the trainer needs to see her insurance agent and lawyer, and have the lawyer draft an ironclad agreement about the use of the pony, outlining what she has verbally told him idiot parent B-signed by B and witnessed by at least two people or else she may lose everything and have only a he said/she said case in court. (and we all know Parent B will blame everything from the impending accident to his child on the trainer when he talks to the insurance company after the hideous accident that is definitely coming soon-hopefully on tape for my enjoyment--I know I'm mean but I watch those awful but enjoyable videos on TruTv too.)

                                          I think parent B is one of those parents that loves to brag how tough and accomplished his kid is to his buddies and he doesn't think anything will happen to the kid--and when it does it's not going to be his fault.
                                          You can't fix stupid-Ron White

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