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The I HATE TEENAGERS THESE DAYS thread

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  • #61
    My phone is usually in my grooming tote when riding/handling a horse. Exception is sometimes while lunging or turning the horse loose in the indoor and watching her run around like a doorknob for a while. Kinda boring to watch and a chance to return a phone call while she gets her kinks out.

    I love when I go to volunteer at a horse camp (which I still occasionally do) and there is a no cell phone policy. Just peaceful (besides the walkie talkies constantly trying to get my attention ) and it's nice to see kids engaged in each other, horses, nature, and so forth. When kids occasionally sneak phones into camp, it's usually under pressure from their parents that can't stand to not hear from them every 15 minutes. Strict no technology policy and phones are confiscated, but often, "backup" phones come out of hiding too. These parents are sending a negative message to their kids in those circumstances too, IMO.
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    • #62
      Originally posted by wendy View Post
      or that anyone would think it's normal and acceptable to send text mesages while in the in middle of a ride. What can possibly be so important that you have to take your attention off your horse in order to text?
      I'm not the person you were talking to, and I realise we're off-base from where OP intended this thread to go, but I have actually done this in a few cases.

      1. To text my horse vet. She has a very open-door policy and likes to check up on things after treatment. For example, after my Appy colicked, she texted me while I was riding the OTTB to check up on the Appy. I thought it was important enough to give her a brief update that he was doing fine, and she did not need to stop by, and I would call her when I was done.

      2. Not a text, but to speak to my cats' vet when they've had to go to the hospital or have surgery.

      3. To my trainer, when my horses are doing something funky. She moved out of state, and I haven't found anyone as fantastic as she is yet. She's very good at giving me suggestions quickly, and a good time frame in which to execute him. "He's doing x,y,z." "He's behind your leg, do a,b,c, call me back in 30 min." It's not ideal, but it's what I've got at the moment.

      4. When my grandmother was dying, I answered every call from my mother. If it wasn't related to my grandmother, I would tell her I'd call her later.

      I would consider all of these exceptional situations. And yes, I will occasionally check Facebook on my phone while I'm waiting for my horses to finish eating, or in between tasks when I need a break in this awful heat, but I'm not wasting anyone's time but my own. My horses, my time, my stalls, etc.

      Ironically, I once left my phone in my barn while I was riding, because I'd been receiving a lot of text messges and emails, and I thought I would get annoyed by the phone going off (no silent, just vibrate). That was the day I had an accident and snapped my ankle. I cussed every painful step back to the barn that day!

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      • #63
        I agree with the distraction aspect. How much does a teen actually glean from equine-related endeavors if more preoccupied with texting, tweeting, and instagram-ing? Are they actually absorbing/retaining info that will improve their knowledge of and interaction with horses? Hmmm, perhaps, an empirical study is in order.

        I do truly believe texting is destroying the art of conversation in young people. Case in point: over the weekend, I ran into an acquaintance I hadn't see in 10 years (with horses). Naturally, we had a LOT of catching up to do. Meanwhile, she had her 16-yr old son with her; my 16-yr DD with me. Both cute kids and I'm thinking "love connection". They didn't say much more than "hi" to each other during we moms' lengthy conversation. Yes, I realize kids are shy at this age, but I couldn't help but be amused, and slightly puzzled, when the two teens 'found' each other on FB later that day and proceeded to pm and text each other the rest of the night...well into the wee hours of morning, as evidenced by DD's bleary eyes and cranky mood the next LATE morning.

        I guess, it's not completely unlike the phone chats of my yesteryear, but, you still had to TALK. Seriously, if teens go on dates, do they communicate via text?
        Is it me or do 99.9% of cowboys just look better with their hats on?
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        • #64
          I thought of this thread tonight. I was at choir practice, but it wasn't time to start yet, folks just drifting in, folks there chatting. The woman sitting in front of me is starting to teach her teen how to drive and discovered to her horror that the kid is unfamiliar with even major roads around the city, which traffic lanes go where, which have double left turns, which are one-way, etc. FAMILIAR roads. Roads around their neighborhood. Roads she has driven with kid hundreds of times over the past years. Kid was all over the place: "Sorry, I didn't know we needed to turn left there." Turns out the kid had always been texting while a passenger and hadn't noticed anything whatsoever about the world going by.

          Mother truly hadn't realized how oblivious the kid was. And it hadn't occurred to the kid, even as she approached driving age, that it might be a good idea to perhaps pay attention to how people drive.

          Mother has now confiscated the cell phone while in the car. Her kid must watch her drive and pay attention to roads and traffic management at any time they are in the car together. Pop quizzes apply. Driving itself is on hold until mother is convinced the kid is alert and aware enough to instead of in an electronic daze.

          Good grief. NOBODY needs to be so immersed in their cell phone at all times that they don't have any idea of the roads and traffic patterns around the city where they have lived for years.

          And yes, I agree, the mother should have set some limits earlier and realized this situation herself.

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          • #65
            I'm so glad the kids at our barn are pretty good kids. No cell phone usage at barn except to call mom to pick them up. fairly polite and well behaved.

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            • #66
              Personally I think blaming cellphones for bad behavior is like blaming McDonalds for making you fat. Not many people have mentioned that it should have been the parents responsibility to teach their kids manners in the first place. The teenagers that are texting all the time are no different than the adults who do it all the time. People are just more apt to see fault in the younger generation and pick on them instead. I'm not saying that teenagers now aren't more prone to technology overload, but hey, the ones complaining about it seem to the age of their parents, so what happened? I have yet to go to a show or barn when some trainer wasn't on their cell phone riding their horse.

              That being said, it's not really appropriate for anyone to be a braindead cyborg connected to their smartphone 24/7. There is a time and place for everything, and people should learn the difference.
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              • #67
                Originally posted by dressagetraks View Post
                Mother has now confiscated the cell phone while in the car. Her kid must watch her drive and pay attention to roads and traffic management at any time they are in the car together. Pop quizzes apply. Driving itself is on hold until mother is convinced the kid is alert and aware enough to instead of in an electronic daze.
                Good for Mom!!!

                Good grief. NOBODY needs to be so immersed in their cell phone at all times that they don't have any idea of the roads and traffic patterns around the city where they have lived for years.
                But you'd be amazed how easily this happens, and it isn't always because of cell phones. I advise a college equestrian club that does IHSA shows, and I'm deathly afraid to put the kids on the road because they fall asleep so easily in a car. After three years, one of them will have to drive to a show, and not know how to get there, when we've gone every semester since they were freshmen. At least their beeping cell phones keep ME awake when I'm driving the sleeping beauties.

                And yes, I agree, the mother should have set some limits earlier and realized this situation herself.
                But at least she DID when she realize there was an issue!
                "One person's cowboy is another person's blooming idiot" -- katarine

                Spay and neuter. Please.

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                • #68
                  Am I the last person in existence who still has a 2G "dumb phone"? Seriously, I get yelled at on occasion (by my husband, usually) for either turning off or "accidentally" leaving the phone in some location where it is not immediately accessible.

                  My crappy little Nokia makes calls and sends the occasional text. (It also has a kick-ass alarm clock function!) I really do not feel as if I'm missing out on anything.

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                  • #69
                    I have a plain dumb phone. I keep it to have a phone in emergencies when traveling and to be reached by the nursing home for Mom if I'm out on the road. When I'm home, it is OFF (it actually has very spotty service out here anyway). Everybody knows that my home number is first choice and that my cell phone is off most of the time. Everybody also knows, at least everybody among the VERY short list who has that cell phone number, that I do not want to chit-chat with them, that this is considered an EMERGENCY phone, and that they had better have a darned good reason for calling it if they do.

                    Regular conversation with people who are NOT on that short list of those who have the number:

                    Person: Do you have a cell phone?
                    Me: Yes, but it's reserved for emergency contacts. Only close family and the nursing home have the number. I don't give it out to anyone else.
                    Person: But I just wanted to have the best number to reach you at.
                    Me: That would be the home number. The cell phone isn't even turned on while I'm at home. It hardly gets reception there.
                    Person: What if you aren't at home when I call?
                    Me: I have an answering machine. Leave a message.
                    Person: But what if I just wanted to text you instead of call you?
                    Me: I refuse to text. If you want to communicate with me, call me.
                    Person: You don't text?????

                    The idea that my cell phone is NOT the best shot, 24/7 switched-on and attached-to-my-person chance of reaching me just does not compute with folks.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by dressagetraks View Post
                      I have a plain dumb phone. I keep it to have a phone in emergencies when traveling and to be reached by the nursing home for Mom if I'm out on the road. When I'm home, it is OFF (it actually has very spotty service out here anyway). Everybody knows that my home number is first choice and that my cell phone is off most of the time. Everybody also knows, at least everybody among the VERY short list who has that cell phone number, that I do not want to chit-chat with them, that this is considered an EMERGENCY phone, and that they had better have a darned good reason for calling it if they do.

                      Regular conversation with people who are NOT on that short list of those who have the number:

                      Person: Do you have a cell phone?
                      Me: Yes, but it's reserved for emergency contacts. Only close family and the nursing home have the number. I don't give it out to anyone else.
                      Person: But I just wanted to have the best number to reach you at.
                      Me: That would be the home number. The cell phone isn't even turned on while I'm at home. It hardly gets reception there.
                      Person: What if you aren't at home when I call?
                      Me: I have an answering machine. Leave a message.
                      Person: But what if I just wanted to text you instead of call you?
                      Me: I refuse to text. If you want to communicate with me, call me.
                      Person: You don't text?????

                      The idea that my cell phone is NOT the best shot, 24/7 switched-on and attached-to-my-person chance of reaching me just does not compute with folks.
                      Your attitude towards texting reminds me of my parents' attitude towards email c. 1995.

                      Sorry. You WILL be assimilated. Resistance is futile.
                      "The nice thing about memories is the good ones are stronger and linger longer than the bad and we sure have some incredibly good memories." - EverythingButWings

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                      • #71
                        Texting is more obnoxious than email ever was - and I remember teaching Mom about email in the mid 1990s. It was new technology, nothing more.

                        My objection to texting has nothing to do with novelty or technology. It is language based. Texting with its "R U OK? Y didn't U call?" drives me absolutely up the wall even to hear it reported secondhand. Some businesses have even started using textspeak on their signs outside their stores. I stop patronizing those, and I do tell them why.

                        As an English major and a writer, I consider texting an offense to the language. If I ever am guilty of sending another person something like that, I should be committed to a nursing home myself, because I obviously would have lost my root personality and my mind.

                        And yes, I realize that I could text in full sentences and with impeccable grammar, but others in the system would still reply in textspeak. Better for my sanity and our friendship that I don't have to be hit in the face constantly with messages like that from them.

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                        • #72
                          The only thing I really use my phone for anymore is
                          1) Taking pictures of my pony
                          2) Posting said pictures of pony on facebook or my blog.

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                          • #73
                            I agree with the OP. Very frustrated with the teenagers. And its not just the texting. It's the attitude. I'm at the age where I get to say "in my day", but it is so frustrating. It's the instant gratification and sense of entitlement that I can't tolerate. And the nastiness and bullying that is facilitated by the electronics infuriates me. Whatever happened to riding being a privilege? For that matter, whatever happened to just being around horses in a barn being a privilege? "back in my day" we were grateful to have the opportunity to groom, do tack, load hay etc etc. Now all you get is attitude. Makes me want to scream.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by To the MAX View Post
                              The only thing I really use my phone for anymore is
                              1) Taking pictures of my pony
                              2) Posting said pictures of pony on facebook or my blog.
                              Facebook?
                              Blog??

                              Never had anything to do with either of them...why not just live a life and not have a running commentary with the rest of the world?
                              "Sic Gorgiamus Allos Subjectatos Nunc"

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                              • #75
                                I have 2 teenage girls of my own plus two more that may as well be mine plus another few that show with our group all year. They are all guilty of using their phones in the barn and at shows and while riding. They are more aware of traffic and courteous to other riders than most of the adults at shows even while using their phones. They will text and Facebook each other while they are sitting right next to each other and use their phones to take pictures and play music while at the barn and shows.

                                That being said, they also clean their own stalls, bathe, band and groom their own horses, train their horses and help each other with training problems, watch each others classes and cheer each other on whether they win or lose - and oh yeah, they do win A LOT, gasp, even though they like to use their phones. They are good students, respectful to adults who deserve respect, and appreciative of the privilege that owning horses is. They stay up all night when a horse gets sick and will share horses with each other if someone has a horse that can't be ridden.

                                My 19 yr old God-daughter is the poster child for cell phone use on horseback - she also routinely wins AQHA classes with over 100 entries and has placed top 10 at Congress multiple times as well as qualified for Worlds in multiple classes. She works full time, goes to college and routinely works at least 3 horses daily - hardly a stranger to working towards goals.


                                Sorry for the rant, but I get so tired of hearing about how horrible teenagers are and how bad they are because they like to use modern technology. Not all teenagers on their phones are ignorant, rude, uneducated, or out of touch with "the real world". Try to get to know a few instead of passing instant judgement. You might be surprised.
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                                • #76
                                  Originally posted by Trakehner View Post
                                  Facebook?
                                  Blog??

                                  Never had anything to do with either of them...why not just live a life and not have a running commentary with the rest of the world?
                                  I do have a life...and I like to share it with my friends and family
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                                  • #77
                                    Originally posted by To the MAX View Post
                                    I do have a life...and I like to share it with my friends and family
                                    This this this this.
                                    I have a blog and a Facebook, and still manage to have a social life while competing my horses.
                                    There's a difference between cell phone use at the barn, and annoying cell phone use at the barn. I'm 15 and I'm horrified if I see someone pulling a cellphone out of their back pocket in the middle of a ride and talking on the phone unless said person is an adult with a full-time or part-time job to take care of. When the horse is done being taken care of, whether by the rider or the grooms of people with full care, feel free to take pictures of the horse and text, you're not doing anything unsafe or rude.

                                    Also would like to say, you can text and still be well-spoken and polite to adults. Our entire barn hangs out as a group at shows, everyone from age 7-50something. We're a big A show barn, but we're still like family.
                                    Mendokuse

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                                    • #78
                                      This reminds me of a photo I saw. People had won the right to be down on the football field for an NFL special event. I can't remember what but it was some big deal allowing them to actually be on the field, meet and talk with the players. The photo showed this entire row of men not looking at the players at all, but every one of them was staring at their cell phones "capturing the moment" to "share their life with friends and family on FB or blog." Not one of them looked directly at or spoke directly to anyone. It was all once removed. There was no direct interaction. They could've gone right up to the players who were making an effort to mingle, but nope, all staring at their cell phones or cameras.

                                      Also, it's pretty funny to read the long lists by people who say they aren't really distracted, but "only" take the critical messages. With the exception of being alert for news of someone ill, all the other things are definite "to be done later" items. Texting your out-of-state trainer for advice? ROTFL. C'mon now. How about focusing 100% on your horse and your ride for the entire time and then having a good Q&A session with the trainer afterward? Has it never occurred to you that the "silver thread" between you & your horse never gets a chance to form when you are constantly breaking it to text questions and ask for help DURING your ride?

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                                      • #79
                                        Also, it's pretty funny to read the long lists by people who say they aren't really distracted, but "only" take the critical messages. With the exception of being alert for news of someone ill, all the other things are definite "to be done later" items.
                                        yeah. Some people have some pretty weird criteria for "must be done now". Even if you're waiting for news about someone being ill, unless you're some kind of ER surgeon on call, these messages just aren't as critical as you seem to think. Really, if you're only role in the illness is to sit by the bedside, it can wait until after you finish riding/driving/working.

                                        plus, even if you ARE waiting for some message that really is urgent- such as, your new kidney is en route on the chopper, drive really fast to the hospital- don't you have to keep checking the gadget to see if the message is urgent or not? major distraction.

                                        Modern technology is great, but only if it's used properly, namely, you turn it off when you're doing something else. And only check it when you aren't doing something else.

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                                        • #80
                                          Aside from an actual emergency (fire, serious injury, etc) there is nothing so urgent that it cannot wait until you are finished riding, your horse is unsaddled and cooled out, groomed, and settled in for the day. That's my thought, anyway.

                                          The phone is there for my convenience, not the caller's, and I want to have a good uninterrupted time with my horse. I used to date a guy who constantly texted me when he knew I was out riding. At first I would respond, just telling him I was busy working with my horse and would call him when I was finished. He never got the point and tried to carry on a full conversation. So, I just didn't reply to the messages. This was my time to spend with my horse. The guy didn't like that I wasn't always "available," and he'd get really pissed off that I was ignoring his whinings about having "nothing to do and no one to talk to," but he turned out to be a needy creeper anyway. . .

                                          Teenagers aren't the only ones "guilty" of chronic cell/text use while riding - I know plenty of adults who go out for hours-long trail rides and they're chatting on the cell phone the whole time, or stopping to send and receive texts. They're a PITA to ride with because it turns the whole ride into a stop-go-stop-go.

                                          However, the current crop of teenagers has grown up with this technology and I think a lot of parents kind of dropped the ball when it comes to teaching them appropriate social behavior. Even the kids who don't text/chat while they are riding are whipping the phone out as soon as both of their feet are back on the ground. Their excuse is "the horse needs time to cool out, anyway," but it's not like there's NOTHING else you could be doing besides staring at a little screen.
                                          Please copy and paste this to your signature if you know someone, or have been affected by someone who needs a smack upside the head. Lets raise awareness.

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