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The I HATE TEENAGERS THESE DAYS thread

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  • #41
    Originally posted by eclipse View Post
    Really? No offence but I find it hard to believe you have to be reachable every single hr of every single day! No personnal time ever..........I feel sorry for you! I don't even think dr's have to be 24/7 365days/yr!!
    Batman.

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    • #42
      I keep my phone on me all the time at the barn.
      I am not constantly checking it, however, as I usually don't have a lot of people I text, and it's not on a CONSTANT basis that I'm texting ether. I might get notifications from Twitter or Facebook, but if I see that it's from either one, I usually just ignore them until a later point.

      If I'm cleaning stalls I'll take a few seconds here and there to reply to a text, but for the most part I wait until I'm in-between stalls so that I'm not wasting time and am actually getting the job done.

      I've texted while riding before. I either stop and pull off to the side of the arena or just let my horse walk around. There is usually only me or one other person in the arena when this happens though. If there are more people riding with me I wait to check my phone until after our ride.

      I always keep my phone in my pocket or somewhere (hopefully) reach-able while riding should something happen. Of course, if I break my legs, or get knocked out, then I'm in a mess, but so far nothing has happened! LOL! *knocks on wood*.

      I don't think phones are the *only* issue though. I know a few teenagers who would much rather do the fun part of horses rather than the hard work, and it has nothing to do with texting on phones or anything.
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      • #43
        I have my students leave them in the tack room. They come in to check in for lessons, they deposit their phone and any other personal items in their basket, and they can go back and check their phone when they are done. Phones are to stay in the tack room, or in the parking lot. Once you separate those things from their hands, they are suddenly engaged in the present.

        I took a little basket and put it in the tack room under each lesson horse's name. Then the student riding that horse in that lesson, uses the basket while they are tacking up, riding, cooling out, and putting away to store any personal belongings. It's worked out really well. Things don't get lost or damaged, and no one is on their phone, texting and walking into walls. (and the adults are just as guilty... )

        I do have a problem banning phones all together. We don't have a main line to the barn, so cells are the only way to call in case of an emergency, and they are necessary, but what can be controlled is where on the property their use is permitted to prevent accidents.
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        • #44
          Emily&Jake, you'd be a good person to ask then. Why must you look at your emails & texts constantly? Why not just not delay responding until after you're done cleaning stalls?

          Or more important, you stop RIDING to answer a text? I don't ride much anymore, I work more with dogs now, but I sure as heck don't stop in the middle of a ride or training the dogs to answer a text msg. Have any of yours been emergencies? That's understandable. But the other stuff? It's like people never do anything whole-heartedly, they're always pulled to do something else.

          I agree that young people are awesome at successful multi-tasking, but the point still stands. If anyone's familiar with Annie Dillard's Pilgrim at Tinker Creek patting-the-puppy moment, you'll understand.

          Or hound people might understand "the silver thread," the beautiful connection between a huntsman and h/her entire pack of hounds. You don't get that when you're always stopping to answer the phone. Every individual free to choose, of course, but yeah, some of you don't know what you're missing because you've never known another way.

          Not necessarily an age thing, either. Plenty of youngsters get it. Plenty of oldersters tune out.

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          • #45
            Originally posted by eclipse View Post
            Really? No offence but I find it hard to believe you have to be reachable every single hr of every single day! No personnal time ever..........I feel sorry for you! I don't even think dr's have to be 24/7 365days/yr!!
            Lol -- it's more like a Devil Wears Prada-type situation (except the people I work for are really nice, and the industry is more serious). They pay for my blackberry and expect to be able to reach me on it. So long as I respond within an hour I'm usually okay, but the pressure for constant connection is very much there. The flip side is if I need to leave early for a hair or vet appointment, nobody cares. There is no clock-punching, but the line between "personal time" and "company time" is so blurred that it's nonexistant. I thrive in this environment and do not feel sorry for myself at all.

            I can't speak for teenagers, but I do want to stand up for the adults that don't seem to be able to part with their smartphones. The pressure in some jobs to be reachable all the time is enormous, and the ability to deal with that pressure is part of the job. It can make a difference in who gets promoted, who gets the bigger bonuses, etc. And the job pays for board, lessons, etc, so...

            I draw the line at anything unsafe, though. I figure hospitalization would leave me out of the loop at work for far longer than a 45-minute ride.

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            • #46
              To get back on track, there's a huge difference between having to take work-related calls and continuously reading and responding to chit-chat texts all day/evening/night long.

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              • #47
                This thread title - made me click without even thinking

                Originally posted by winfieldfarm View Post
                So I'm looking forty in the face and starting to use phrases like, when I was your age and we didn't have THAT when we were growing up.

                I realize that the Internet and ultimately social media and smartphones were a true society game changer. But living among my teen students in the barn and at shows is a seriously frustrating experience. First of all they're never off their dumb phones with their texting and their websites. Secondly they have lost the ability to verbally communicate or enjoy personal interaction especially at a show!

                And the worst is how they just dont have the general concept of putting in long arduous hours of hard work to reach goals. Technology has made life so instantaneous for these teens that they can't think past the end of their fast typing fingers to see the long range picture.

                I realize our parents all said this about us and MTV but truly I'm ready to clean house and become a barn that caters to the forty and over career woman with a childhood passion for horses and expendable income to politely support it!!!
                - You win the prize in my corner for the catchiest thread title ! And I haven't even read the thread yet!!

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                • #48
                  It's really not a laughing matter. There is a study out in China that found:

                  "Brain responses, particularly within the orbitofrontal and cingulate cortices, to Internet video-game cues in college students are similar to those observed in patients with substance dependence in response to the substance-related cues."

                  http://online.liebertpub.com/doi/abs...yber.2009.0327

                  I hope parents start to wake up. I see no reason for a child who is not driving to have access to a cell phone, let alone an IPhone 24/7.

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                    #49
                    Holy Smokes! My hubby read that same study and told me about it. It's like Google has corrupted our need to remember anything trivial or mundane because we can quickly pull up the info through technology.

                    Remember when we had to do math without calculators!!

                    I'll say it again. It's not just the cell phone texting to their friends and social sights. It's what they are texting about. Nothing is sacred.

                    And truly, it's like teens don't think before they hit enter. Too easy to spew some thought without considering who will read it and what it can mean about the person who sent it, the person it's about, etc.

                    We used to have to write notes to friends in school. That took planning, time, but also was low risk for anyone but the receiver from reading it. Now, a teen can have some arbitrary thought, tweet it and bam, the whole world has access to it.

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                    • #50
                      Originally posted by winfieldfarm View Post
                      Holy Smokes! My hubby read that same study and told me about it. It's like Google has corrupted our need to remember anything trivial or mundane because we can quickly pull up the info through technology.

                      Remember when we had to do math without calculators!!

                      We used to have to write notes to friends in school. That took planning, time, but also was low risk for anyone but the receiver from reading it. Now, a teen can have some arbitrary thought, tweet it and bam, the whole world has access to it.

                      yes, I am ooooollllllllddddddd fashion.....
                      I'm 23, have had a cell phone for 7 years, and I still do all my math in my head (except for figuring out square footage of tile :embarassed: )!

                      I'll admit, I kind of like the fact that young people can ruin their lives by posting the wrong thing online or textinig the wrong thing. I think its a great way of weeding out which kids are good at putting on a goody-two-shoes act, and which kids are actually worth associating with, especially in the case of an employer looking at a facebook page before hiring someone. It reminds me a lot of The Scarlet Letter, I was the one who felt like Hester should be made to wear a sign that she had an affair out of wedlock. I'm old fashioned, and I've been accused of not being a very nice person.

                      On the other hand though, I worked with a very nice teenager who was never on her phone, was a very hard worker, excelent rider, and was a very good friend. I'm sorry OP has a bad group of teenagers, but as much as I generally dislike teenagers, I don't think we can generalize and say all teenagers these days are bad, or blame it on technology.

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                      • #51
                        Originally posted by KateKat View Post
                        I actually think in that aspect, the teens are better since they've been raised in this multi tasking society where they can somewhat pay attention to different things.
                        no they aren't.

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                        • #52
                          Originally posted by GaitedGloryRider View Post
                          At the big lesson barn where I work the BOs have a pretty strict "No cell phone usage in the barn" rule.

                          If you wanna use your cell phone, you put up whatever horse you may be working with and take yourself outside to make your call/text whatever.

                          For them it's a safety issue. Apparently some time before I started working there some texting teen wandered behind the wrong mare and got nailed pretty badly. They aren't above confiscating phones off repeat offenders and dishing out stern warnings to parents even. It's a beautiful thing to behold, the cell-phone free barn.
                          I implemented this policy at my barn. "Leave 'em in the car, folks!" except you can take it with you, properly secured, for safety's sake when trail riding. Before that, I also threw out a working student after the 2nd time I found her texting in a stall while grooming, after I'd warned her. So dead to the world the horse could have rolled on her and she wouldn't have seen it coming!

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                          • #53
                            Originally posted by Sacred_Petra View Post
                            I'm 23, have had a cell phone for 7 years, and I still do all my math in my head (except for figuring out square footage of tile :embarassed: )!
                            Meanwhile, I'm 34, I'm not sure how long I've had a cell phone (six or seven years? Eight maybe?) and I have NEVER been able to do math in my head, long before I had one. In fact since before modern mobile phones were invented. I have to either use a calculator, laboriously write out problems by hand, or both. Likewise I can't spell a word without writing/typing it out.

                            I have one person I text because he really prefers that, who also rates an immediate reply/callback (no, not a boyfriend, the former boss whose response when I called him when I should have been at my other job and said, I'm in a hospital in one of the crappier parts of Boston, my car might be totaled, I nearly broke my neck, no one at this job lives anywhere near me to take me home and there's no T near here, and the first thing he said was "Do you need me to come get you?" He's earned my breaking my own phone rules.) Otherwise, I use the phone like...a phone, and as my watch. I carry it in my pocket when I ride as I'm often alone so I can call if I need help.
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                            • #54
                              Originally posted by Anne FS View Post
                              Emily&Jake, you'd be a good person to ask then. Why must you look at your emails & texts constantly? Why not just not delay responding until after you're done cleaning stalls?

                              Or more important, you stop RIDING to answer a text? I don't ride much anymore, I work more with dogs now, but I sure as heck don't stop in the middle of a ride or training the dogs to answer a text msg. Have any of yours been emergencies? That's understandable. But the other stuff? It's like people never do anything whole-heartedly, they're always pulled to do something else.
                              I think you should re-read my post. I HARDLY get text messages... AT ALL. Usually they are from Twitter or Facebook. I ignore those and respond LATER after I'm done with whatever it is I'm doing. As I stated in my initial post, I said I will take a few seconds "here and there to respond to a text" but for the most part I ignore them and respond when I'm done or in-between stalls, etc.

                              If I get a text while riding I may or may not check it. Just depends on if I hear my phone go off. If it's important that is the only time I respond to it. Ie. if it's my mom texting me or another family member.

                              I don't get emails to my phone. It's a smart phone, yes, but I have no internet on it, so nope I'm probably not the best person to ask since I only get texts and hardly any that aren't Twitter or Facebook.
                              Originally posted by katarine
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                              Originally posted by Pat9
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                                #55
                                Listen folks. This thread isn't about adult phone usage. It's not even really about good teens and phone usage. It's about me being distraught about how addicted to the Internet smartphone that many teens are. And about how the instant unsupervised access to any topic under the sun on the Internet has taken away our kids innocence. Text your boss. Wear your phone in the barn. Whatever.

                                But please give minors back their childhood. It used to be that you could only live as far out into the world as your parents allowed or as far as the seediest part of your home town could get to you. Now give a kid a smart phone and the world is at their fingertips. ALL of it. Things they don't need to see or know about. And because they are getting info from so many places so quickly without enough guidance they will generally form an uneducated opinion about what they are seeing.

                                The worst we had growing up was the back seat of the school bus and occasionally getting hold of a playboy mag. As I said before. Sex is a handshake to these kids
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                                • #56
                                  Originally posted by winfieldfarm View Post
                                  .

                                  But please give minors back their childhood.
                                  Please, give us _ALL_ back our childhood.

                                  I need to stop reading the news every day.
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                                  • #57
                                    I dunno if it's just the phones, alone. My teen students were the sort that would tee-hee and blush at the thought of a first kiss, and they definitely had smartphones. They also had parents who monitored their Facebook accounts (if they were allowed to have them), and were asked to only text their parents/family members or teachers/group leaders/counselors/etc. They were asked to call their peers/boyfriends/super besties/whatever with permission only, and in the presence of an adult.

                                    (The irony being that while they were busy policing the teenagers, the same parents would let their younger children roll in the arena dirt while I was schooling my OTTB over his first crossrails and get completely miffed when I told them to please leave, but that's off-topic for this thread.)

                                    What was amazing is that when the parents left, these kids would still adhere to the rules. While we were waiting for parents to pick up, after all the chores were done, the kids would ask me if they could call so-and-so. The best part is that there's no signal inside the barn, so they'd have to go sit in the parking lot. Away from horses and potential disaster.

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                                    • #58
                                      I am not constantly checking it, however, as I usually don't have a lot of people I text, and it's not on a CONSTANT basis that I'm texting ether. I might get notifications from Twitter or Facebook, but if I see that it's from either one, I usually just ignore them until a later point.

                                      If I'm cleaning stalls I'll take a few seconds here and there to reply to a text, but for the most part I wait until I'm in-between stalls so that I'm not wasting time and am actually getting the job done.

                                      I've texted while riding before. I either stop and pull off to the side of the arena or just let my horse walk around. There is usually only me or one other person in the arena when this happens though. If there are more people riding with me I wait to check my phone until after our ride.

                                      I always keep my phone in my pocket or somewhere (hopefully) reach-able while riding should something happen. Of course, if I break my legs, or get knocked out, then I'm in a mess, but so far nothing has happened! LOL! *knocks on wood*.
                                      I find it mind-boggling that you think this is normal, acceptable behavior- to stop and answer personal, unimportant texts in the middle of doing a job? I really hope this is not a paying job, where you get paid by the hour. Most employers would fire you on the spot for texting on their time.

                                      or that anyone would think it's normal and acceptable to send text mesages while in the in middle of a ride. What can possibly be so important that you have to take your attention off your horse in order to text?

                                      Carrying a phone "just in case you fall off" is normal, but normal people turn off the ringer/ notification and don't touch it until they are done with what they are doing.

                                      And you don't even realize how peculiar it is to be CONSTANTLY engaged in texting/facebook etc. throughout the day. Stop and think about those texts- would anything have changed if you hadn't answered them until you were actually not busy doing real life? of course not.

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                                      • #59
                                        I used to have a trainer who would answer phone calls in the middle of my riding lesson...... It was really frustrating and upset me very much, and it happened alllll the time. I leave my phone in the car or whatever while I'm riding
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                                        • #60
                                          Originally posted by Anne FS View Post
                                          Batman.
                                          *Helpless giggling ensues*

                                          (Suzier444, this is in no way meant to mock you -- I'm a freelancer and understand well the "job bleeds into real life" situation. Anne's deadpan answer cracked me up.)

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