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  • Originally posted by Laurierace View Post
    The word is cull. If by now you mean the 1970's then maybe you are correct about Kal Kan. Now, not so much. I don't know exactly when the pet food industry in the US stopped using horse meat but it has been at least 20 years.

    Post 1995 I bought canned dog food with horse meat in it.

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    • Originally posted by 7HL View Post
      The words are dog food.


      The world is still using horsemeat for animals. And humans are still eating horsemeat.

      Look for “animal” by-products, “animal” meal or “animal” digest. It might be horse.
      That is rendering. Not slaughtering. Those animal stews are made up of all sorts of stuff like road kill etc and euthanized animals are accepted.
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      • Originally posted by Ghazzu View Post
        Alpo was "all beef, not a speck of cereal" eons ago. Those of us of a certain age may remember Lorne Greene pushing it.
        It was a subtle swipe at the competitors still using horsemeat.

        In fact, caused some dietary issues due to low calcium content resulting in nutritional secondary hyperparathyroidism.

        Alpo, an abbreviation of Allen Products, was founded in 1936 by Robert F. Hunsicker in Allentown, PA.


        http://tobaccodocuments.org/ti/TIMN0...&start_page=15


        Ligget & Meyers annual report. They used a mix of horsemeat and beef.

        I was at the plant and saw the horses.
        The ultimate goal of farming is not the growing of crops, but the cultivation and perfection of human beings.

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        • Okay, back on topic (kinda). Has anyone else here noticed that if you put "Pat Parelli is" into the google search bar the first thing that pops up is "Pat Parelli is an idiot"?

          Same thing with Linda Parelli.

          Gotta love google autocomplete.

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          • Originally posted by 7HL View Post
            Alpo, an abbreviation of Allen Products, was founded in 1936 by Robert F. Hunsicker in Allentown, PA.


            http://tobaccodocuments.org/ti/TIMN0...&start_page=15


            Ligget & Meyers annual report. They used a mix of horsemeat and beef.

            I was at the plant and saw the horses.

            From the 1960's.
            Do you think that it *might* just be possible that they no longer use horsemeat at the present time?
            "It's like a Russian nesting doll of train wrecks."--CaitlinandTheBay

            ...just settin' on the Group W bench.

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            • Originally posted by 7HL View Post
              The words are dog food.


              The world is still using horsemeat for animals. And humans are still eating horsemeat.

              Look for “animal” by-products, “animal” meal or “animal” digest. It might be horse.
              Just curious: Why are you always arguing so vehemently IN FAVOR of slaughter? Seems an odd perspective for a horse person; have you got a financial dog in this fight, or what?

              As an aside, I was told by a long and distinguished list of German dressage trainers that my horse was primarily suitable for meat!

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              • Originally posted by SwampYankee View Post
                Just curious: Why are you always arguing so vehemently IN FAVOR of slaughter? Seems an odd perspective for a horse person; have you got a financial dog in this fight, or what?

                As an aside, I was told by a long and distinguished list of German dressage trainers that my horse was primarily suitable for meat!
                Maybe because he can, as so many do, distinguish between slaughter the process and ban slaughter, the animal rights extremist cause of the moment.

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                • I took my young horse to a clinic, Swamp Yankee, and the clinicial told me if she was his, he would ship her. Eventually, she became a star and won everything. Sure wasted my $$ on that guy!
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                  • Originally posted by goneriding24 View Post
                    Oh, I remember, back in the day, no one thought of slaughter to get rid of a horse. He/she was taken somewhere on the far side of a pasture/field/whatever and put down by bullet. Matter of fact, I never heard of slaughter till about the mid '70's or so. I remember an awful lot of people started 'sending their horses to pasture'. For the longest time, I thought they really were. They weren't. In polite company, it was a way of saying they'd been shipped to slaughter.
                    "Back in the day," as in the early 20th Century, equine slaughter was part and parcel of the American livestock industry. Ever hear of Kal-Can Dog Food? Research them and you'll learn a great deal of that part of "back in the day."

                    As far as PU is concerned (and ya gotta love that one ) it is just another proof that the Parelli Universe is not about anything but making money for Parelli. Know it, believe it, live it.

                    G.
                    Mangalarga Marchador: Uma Raça, Uma Paixão

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                    • Originally posted by goneriding24 View Post
                      Oh, I remember, back in the day, no one thought of slaughter to get rid of a horse. He/she was taken somewhere on the far side of a pasture/field/whatever and put down by bullet. Matter of fact, I never heard of slaughter till about the mid '70's or so. I remember an awful lot of people started 'sending their horses to pasture'. For the longest time, I thought they really were. They weren't. In polite company, it was a way of saying they'd been shipped to slaughter.
                      I hate to fuel this fire that's getting out of control....but I grew up in So. CA in the 70's and it was always matter-of-fact that horses were sent for "dog food" when they were sick, old, or deemed crazy. I never really pondered it back then, it was just what people said. Had I actually considered it more, it would have been devastating when my mom sold my favorite little horse when I got interested in boys .

                      G., "Parelli Universe" make me snort out loud .

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                      • Okay, on the topic of the thread. The list seems to be missing a pre-enrollment session with an animal communicator to determine your horse's horsenality. And also to make sure he doesn't swear or secretly abuse alcohol or drugs.

                        I will provide that service to you for a fee. Let's say given the other prices, high 3 figures. I'll take major cards and heck, even Pay Pal, why not?

                        As for horse meat. Yes it is still widely consumed including here in the U.S. of A. (certain ethnic groups in Utah love barbecued horse, which is why human consumption is a leading cause of horse theft around here). And yes, it is still fed to dogs. I can't remember when I last saw it in cans, in the grocery store, but it's been a while.

                        And yes, as noted, it used to be 'standard' that horses went to dog food, or the 'glue factory.' I lost one to a lightning strike in the 80s- we couldn't feed him to the hounds given cause of death, but he most certainly was useful for glue, cosmetics, etc. And no, that doesn't bother me a bit, he was quite dead.

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                          [QUOTE=Beverley;6424164]Okay, on the topic of the thread. QUOTE]

                          Thank You!!! This has been very interesting reading, for sure.... not sure at all what it has to do with the original topic of this thread.. but trivia?? That's where the horse head in the Godfather movie came from. They were looking for a head that looked like the horse in the film and asked Alpo if they had a similar looking horse that was up for slaughter. Voila! Ask and ye shall receive.
                          Last edited by ViewParadise; Jul. 8, 2012, 01:05 AM.

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                          • Originally posted by SwampYankee View Post
                            Just curious: Why are you always arguing so vehemently IN FAVOR of slaughter? Seems an odd perspective for a horse person; have you got a financial dog in this fight, or what?


                            As an aside, I was told by a long and distinguished list of German dressage trainers that my horse was primarily suitable for meat!
                            .

                            Nothing to financially gain.

                            Horses are livestock. They do not have "rights", people do. I believe that slaughter is a viable option for horse owners that want to dispose of their horses. I have also no problem with horses being raised just for their meat.

                            Humane slaughter, the animal extremists that say they are ok with slaughter just make it humane, are handing people a line of manure.

                            What is hard for some to understand is that someone can have a great love for horses and an appreciation of them, yet not be on an anti-slaughter bandwagon. I think HSUS, PETA and many animal rights groups, really have an agenda of taking horse ownership away.

                            As for your German trainers, I guess you didn't take them up on their advice.



                            Originally posted by Bluey View Post
                            Maybe because he can, as so many do, distinguish between slaughter the process and ban slaughter, the animal rights extremist cause of the moment.

                            Yes.
                            The ultimate goal of farming is not the growing of crops, but the cultivation and perfection of human beings.

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                            • Originally posted by Beverley View Post
                              Okay, on the topic of the thread. The list seems to be missing a pre-enrollment session with an animal communicator to determine your horse's horsenality. And also to make sure he doesn't swear or secretly abuse alcohol or drugs.

                              I will provide that service to you for a fee. Let's say given the other prices, high 3 figures. I'll take major cards and heck, even Pay Pal, why not?

                              As for horse meat. Yes it is still widely consumed including here in the U.S. of A. (certain ethnic groups in Utah love barbecued horse, which is why human consumption is a leading cause of horse theft around here). And yes, it is still fed to dogs. I can't remember when I last saw it in cans, in the grocery store, but it's been a while.

                              And yes, as noted, it used to be 'standard' that horses went to dog food, or the 'glue factory.' I lost one to a lightning strike in the 80s- we couldn't feed him to the hounds given cause of death, but he most certainly was useful for glue, cosmetics, etc. And no, that doesn't bother me a bit, he was quite dead.
                              Some years ago, a pet manufacturer was buying some of their meat, including horse meat, from a renderer, not a horse slaughter plant, that was putting many chemically euthanized horses in the mix.
                              Some dogs got sick and some died, there was a big outcry and customers refused to buy any dog food with horse meat in it.

                              Since what kind of meat had to be on the label, manufacturers quit using horse meat after that.
                              I don't think there is any one company today in the USA that uses horse meat in their dog food.

                              I remember there was talk of this in our dog club, just as has been lately about chinese made treats that may be suspect, although the company that sold the tainted dog food was, best I remember, someone in the Midwest, not here.

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                              • Originally posted by Ghazzu View Post
                                From the 1960's.
                                Do you think that it *might* just be possible that they no longer use horsemeat at the present time?
                                Originally posted by Bluey View Post
                                I don't think there is any one company today in the USA that uses horse meat in their dog food...


                                Not directly as horsemeat, but look for “animal” by-products, “animal” meal or “animal” digest, it might be horse.
                                The ultimate goal of farming is not the growing of crops, but the cultivation and perfection of human beings.

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                                • Combining slaughter and Parelli into one stupid thread has the promise to become the biggest trainwreck in COTH history. 7, there are no horse slaughter houses in the US. Therefore any horses that make it into the animal byproducts and such were not slaughtered. They were euthanized or died of natural causes and rendered. Not strung up and their throat slit. Sorry if that ruins your day.
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                                  • Originally posted by Laurierace View Post
                                    Combining slaughter and Parelli into one stupid thread has the promise to become the biggest trainwreck in COTH history. 7, there are no horse slaughter houses in the US. Therefore any horses that make it into the animal byproducts and such were not slaughtered. They were euthanized or died of natural causes and rendered. Not strung up and their throat slit. Sorry if that ruins your day.

                                    Things are changing and there will be more slaughter houses in the us. I say more, because there are slaughter houses doing horses now. There will be sluaghter houses doing horse for human consumption. As for you trying to shock me and others by saying "strung up and their throat slit", won't work. Slaughter is what it is, get over it. And there is no source listed on where animal byproducts come from on pet foods.



                                    As for "Combining slaughter and Parelli into one stupid thread has the promise to become the biggest trainwreck in COTH history" I have no problem in ending all discussion on both topics. Most forums and boards have the capability of putting in a censored word list.


                                    Or simply not opens a thread and use block.











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                                    The ultimate goal of farming is not the growing of crops, but the cultivation and perfection of human beings.

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                                    • Originally posted by Laurierace View Post
                                      Combining slaughter and Parelli into one stupid thread has the promise to become the biggest trainwreck in COTH history. .

                                      Haha.....I guess it was inevitable to happen eventually. We need to squeeze rollkur in here if we can.

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                                      • Alrighty, back on the Pepperoni Train for anyone interested.

                                        "16. If I have already been teaching, does this go against me?

                                        This means you have already discovered that you enjoy sharing what you have learned with others. There are a lot of Parelli students around the world that have shared what they learned through the Parelli program and some of them are now on TV and have made big careers from Parelli education without actually crediting it. We know that is always the risk when we so openly share our knowledge, however, we are not looking for people who want to take what we've taught and capitalize on it selfishly. We need people we can rely on to help us deliver the pure Parelli message and be part of a team effort to change the world and support dedicated Parelli students. THIS IS AN ESSENTIAL PIECE OF THE PUZZLE IF YOU ARE CONSIDERING THIS TRAINING. If you want to be a lone wolf, if you want to do your own thing and not be part of a worldwide team you need to make that decision now and not apply. We don't want that person! We want a passionate, dedicated team player who will work arm in arm with us. That's how Parelli was built. This is why it has such a huge impact on the world and is leading the revolution in horsemanship. We are very particular about this because over the past 23 years we've hardly had any complaints about our dedicated Parelli Professionals, but we do get complaints about people who are not endorsed by Parelli! We have learned the importance of attracting the right people at the start!"

                                        Oh snap! So who are these famous trainers on TV with big careers that our favorite megalomaniac thinks ripped off his schtick?

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                                        • Originally posted by GaitedGloryRider View Post
                                          ""... We need people we can rely on to help us deliver the pure Parelli message and be part of a team effort to change the world and support dedicated Parelli students. THIS IS AN ESSENTIAL PIECE OF THE PUZZLE IF YOU ARE CONSIDERING THIS TRAINING. If you want to be a lone wolf, if you want to do your own thing and not be part of a worldwide team you need to make that decision now and not apply. We don't want that person! We want a passionate, dedicated team player who will work arm in arm with us. That's how Parelli was built. This is why it has such a huge impact on the world and is leading the revolution in horsemanship. We are very particular about this because over the past 23 years we've hardly had any complaints about our dedicated Parelli Professionals, but we do get complaints about people who are not endorsed by Parelli! We have learned the importance of attracting the right people at the start!""
                                          They are being open and forthright. You and others may not like it, but who cares. Then it is being effective in its message. Don't apply. Do you really think anyone is going to loose a moments sleep over what you think?
                                          The ultimate goal of farming is not the growing of crops, but the cultivation and perfection of human beings.

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