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Originally posted by 7HL View PostA friend who is sharp as a tack, but no horse.
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Defensive no. Disagree with that he did. I know why he did it. All clinicians are in it for the money.
I would love to see any clinician tell someone that came to them with a horse, to stop what they are doing and sell that no good horse to the meat man. There are some people that shouldn't own horses, some don't and some horses that are only good for the meat man.








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Originally posted by 7HL View PostActually those that would go to the course, would have more then two or three Savvy Stings in many colors. They have probably been using Parelli techniques for years.
Their plan is to become Parelli Professionals.

So is that how you identify what level one is? "I'm a certified Level 4 Black String horse trainer..."
Actually not all are. We had a lovely, highly regarded trainer in our area that held low-cost clinics upon his retirement simply because he enjoyed educating people on the finer points of building a good working relationship with their horse. Wasn't just some fool hanging a shingle either, he trained the police horses for a nearby city for decades. He wasn't famous by any means but damn he was good. I guess his charitable nature undermined any hopes of being a showboating glory-hounding POS. He was TRULY in it for the love of the horse. Mention the likes of Parelli to him and he'd just chuckle and shake his head. He also had several trainers apprentice under him over the years (and they didn't have to pay big $$$ to do it, just show an aptitude for good horsemanship). In the same vein his former apprentices hold low cost clinics from time to time.Originally posted by 7HL View PostA friend who is sharp as a tack, but no horse.
I think you were missing the point of Alagirl's comment. She was comparing your argument styles, horse ownership notwithstanding.
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Defensive no. Disagree with that he did. I know why he did it. All clinicians are in it for the money.
I would love to see any clinician tell someone that came to them with a horse, to stop what they are doing and sell that no good horse to the meat man. There are some people that shouldn't own horses, some don't and some horses that are only good for the meat man.
The differences between Parelli and this guy? Well for one, he focused on quality over quantity. He also wouldn't sacrifice his integrity for a buck. And above all he wouldn't tell people he'd make them a trainer to get into their wallets, he'd just do his best to impart good horsemanship skills on them so they could enjoy their sport. He'd only take someone on as a full-time apprentice if they showed a genuine drive to become a trainer, not just blow smoke up the asses of anyone with a blank check via a massive marketing scheme.
I'd venture to guess there are plenty of trainers out there like that old man. You just don't see them in the mainstream because they are in it for the right reasons. Oh and FWIW, he had no problem telling someone if their horse wasn't a good fit for them.
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Originally posted by GaitedGloryRider View Post

So is that how you identify what level one is? "I'm a certified Level 4 Black String horse trainer..."
NO... Levels of trainers are by Stars.
Color of strings awarded for reaching a certain level of training and working skills with a horse.
Actually not all are. We had a lovely, highly regarded trainer in our area that held low-cost clinics upon his retirement simply because he enjoyed educating people on the finer points of building a good working relationship with their horse. Wasn't just some fool hanging a shingle either, he trained the police horses for a nearby city for decades. He wasn't famous by any means but damn he was good. I guess his charitable nature undermined any hopes of being a showboating glory-hounding POS. He was TRULY in it for the love of the horse. Mention the likes of Parelli to him and he'd just chuckle and shake his head. He also had several trainers apprentice under him over the years (and they didn't have to pay big $$$ to do it, just show an aptitude for good horsemanship). In the same vein his former apprentices hold low cost clinics from time to time.
















The differences between Parelli and this guy? Well for one, he focused on quality over quantity.
How do you figure that one Sherlock? People don't send their horses to Parelli to train.
He also wouldn't sacrifice his integrity for a buck. And above all he wouldn't tell people he'd make them a trainer to get into their wallets, he'd just do his best to impart good horsemanship skills on them so they could enjoy their sport. He'd only take someone on as a full-time apprentice if they showed a genuine drive to become a trainer, not just blow smoke up the asses of anyone with a blank check via a massive marketing scheme.
Well good for him. Are you an apprentice or don't you have the drive?
I'd venture to guess there are plenty of trainers out there like that old man. You just don't see them in the mainstream because they are in it for the right reasons. Oh and FWIW, he had no problem telling someone if their horse wasn't a good fit for them.
Would he send a horse to slaughter?
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Well, 7, to address your rather ridiculous comments and questions:
1. Still sounds like a joke to me, and the more you argue it the more ridiculous it sounds. Stars and levels and colored strings? Sounds like kindergarten to me. Really, why do you have such an incessant need to be the turd in the punch bowl on these threads? Let people have their fun, you're not going to change any minds. You getting paid by the big Pepperoni Public Relations team for this crap? Rhetorical question, please don't bother answering. We all know you're just drinking the Kool Aid.
2. So all those horses he uses in his demos belong to him? Again, rhetorical. He clearly acts in a trainer capacity with other people's horses.
3. No, I was still in Huggies during that man's heyday. I did have the pleasure of participating in a few of his clinics as a young adult though. My "drive" has nothing to do with it, I have a fulfilling career outside of horses that finances my equestrian ventures and also allows me plenty of down time to pursue them.
Also like to add that I like to actually RIDE my horses, without months or years of showboating bullshit, wiggling strings, gimmicky equipment and big $$$ clinics so that rules out the Pepperoni lifestyle for me.
4. No, the man did not send horses to slaughter nor did he advocate for anyone else to do so. He was however known for suggesting having dangerous or chronically lame horses put down, something that ruffled a few feathers on occasion. He was quite vocal about his distaste for the local podunk kill buyer auction and would tell people to seriously consider a bullet over sending a horse there.
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I give you an A for effort at trying to derail the thread with personal attacks but I think it's time to get back the subject at hand. (Hint: It isn't my "drive" to be horse trainer, or lack of)
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GaitedGloryRider: So is that how you identify what level one is? "I'm a certified Level 4 Black String horse trainer..."
7HL: NO... Levels of trainers are by Stars.
Color of strings awarded for reaching a certain level of training and working skills with a horse.
Ohhhh. . .I see. . .so people who actively show and compete in various events with their horses are just "chasing ribbons."
I'm sure no one who follows the PNH program "chases" string colors so that they can show off to their play-buddies.
Is Kool-Aid powder used to die the strings, too?Please copy and paste this to your signature if you know someone, or have been affected by someone who needs a smack upside the head. Lets raise awareness.
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Originally posted by GaitedGloryRider View PostWell, 7, to address your rather ridiculous comments and questions:
1. Still sounds like a joke to me, and the more you argue it the more ridiculous it sounds. Stars and levels and colored strings? Sounds like kindergarten to me. Really, why do you have such an incessant need to be the turd in the punch bowl on these threads? Let people have their fun, you're not going to change any minds. You getting paid by the big Pepperoni Public Relations team for this crap? Rhetorical question, please don't bother answering. We all know you're just drinking the Kool Aid.
2. So all those horses he uses in his demos belong to him? Again, rhetorical. He clearly acts in a trainer capacity with other people's horses.
3. No, I was still in Huggies during that man's heyday. I did have the pleasure of participating in a few of his clinics as a young adult though. My "drive" has nothing to do with it, I have a fulfilling career outside of horses that finances my equestrian ventures and also allows me plenty of down time to pursue them.
Also like to add that I like to actually RIDE my horses, without months or years of showboating bullshit, wiggling strings, gimmicky equipment and big $$$ clinics so that rules out the Pepperoni lifestyle for me.
4. No, the man did not send horses to slaughter nor did he advocate for anyone else to do so. He was however known for suggesting having dangerous or chronically lame horses put down, something that ruffled a few feathers on occasion. He was quite vocal about his distaste for the local podunk kill buyer auction and would tell people to seriously consider a bullet over sending a horse there.
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I give you an A for effort at trying to derail the thread with personal attacks but I think it's time to get back the subject at hand. (Hint: It isn't my "drive" to be horse trainer, or lack of)
I was half believing that story of the old holier than thou trainer until that last.
If he was a man of his time, as every one of those old trainers were, he would have understood perfectly well the place slaughter filled in our horse industry and not told anyone not to slaughter some horses.
Remember, then horses just went some miles down the road to slaughter, there were not any big plants and contract buyers, as there were later.
Now, he may not have liked the local dumpy sale barn and what some there pulled, that I agree.
There used to be some really bad ones around, that cleaned their act the past few decades, of necessity.
There is still plenty going on in the lower end barns, just not quite as bad as some operated in times past.
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Believe it or not, no skin off my ass. The guy was a great trainer, very generous with his time especially after his retirement from training the city's police horses, and did not advocate sending horses to the low-rent auction. Now the better auctions that didn't have kill buyers present (of which there were a few back then) he never spoke out against them (at least to my knowledge).Originally posted by Bluey View PostI was half believing that story of the old holier than thou trainer until that last.
If he was a man of his time, as every one of those old trainers were, he would have understood perfectly well the place slaughter filled in our horse industry and not told anyone not to slaughter some horses.
Remember, then horses just went some miles down the road to slaughter, there were not any big plants and contract buyers, as there were later.
Now, he may not have liked the local dumpy sale barn and what some there pulled, that I agree.
There used to be some really bad ones around, that cleaned their act the past few decades, of necessity.
There is still plenty going on in the lower end barns, just not quite as bad as some operated in times past.
His charitable acts extended beyond the horse community, he was active with several children's organizations and was a fixture at small local fundraisers etc.
He was a kind, generous, modest man who was an asset to the community and not just on the equestrian side of it. Sorry you have trouble believing such a person existed. I, however, am glad I was fortunate enough to have made his acquaintance and learned a bit from him.
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Yes, sounds like he was a very nice person, wish there were more like that kind of person.Originally posted by GaitedGloryRider View PostBelieve it or not, no skin off my ass. The guy was a great trainer, very generous with his time especially after his retirement from training the city's police horses, and did not advocate sending horses to the low-rent auction. Now the better auctions that didn't have kill buyers present (of which there were a few back then) he never spoke out against them (at least to my knowledge).
His charitable acts extended beyond the horse community, he was active with several children's organizations and was a fixture at small local fundraisers etc.
He was a kind, generous, modest man who was an asset to the community and not just on the equestrian side of it. Sorry you have trouble believing such a person existed. I, however, am glad I was fortunate enough to have made his acquaintance and learned a bit from him.
I was just thinking, when some details were not fitting, maybe it was not quite as told, in hindsight some of that a bit blurry.
Now, that second post, that makes good sense for the times that went on.
Thanks for making that more clear.
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You are a master of confusion, dude. On the OT thread about Mormonism, you seem all nuts about Mormonism, but when someone points out the stupidity of YOUR "religion", you can't handle it.Originally posted by 7HL View PostWrong again!!!!
Only those going to Parelli University wanting to become Parelli Certified trainers.
I us Parelli techniques and methods as well as others with my horses.
I have been a volunteer at a few Parelli tour stops.
I am friends with people that work and have worked at Parelli. I do not and have never been a Parelli employee.
I am free to say what ever I want.
Have no desire to play the game. But when people are wrong they are wrong. If they are interested in finding out how they can look it up.
PU is a scam and only the wealthy could ever dream of affording such a thing, even if it were half of what was posted. And since I have seen LP beat /abuse a horse, I find their rules to be a bit....odd.
Horse sense is the thing a horse has which keeps it from betting on people.
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Oh, I remember, back in the day, no one thought of slaughter to get rid of a horse. He/she was taken somewhere on the far side of a pasture/field/whatever and put down by bullet. Matter of fact, I never heard of slaughter till about the mid '70's or so. I remember an awful lot of people started 'sending their horses to pasture'. For the longest time, I thought they really were. They weren't. In polite company, it was a way of saying they'd been shipped to slaughter.Originally posted by GaitedGloryRider View PostBelieve it or not, no skin off my ass. The guy was a great trainer, very generous with his time especially after his retirement from training the city's police horses, and did not advocate sending horses to the low-rent auction. Now the better auctions that didn't have kill buyers present (of which there were a few back then) he never spoke out against them (at least to my knowledge).
His charitable acts extended beyond the horse community, he was active with several children's organizations and was a fixture at small local fundraisers etc.
He was a kind, generous, modest man who was an asset to the community and not just on the equestrian side of it. Sorry you have trouble believing such a person existed. I, however, am glad I was fortunate enough to have made his acquaintance and learned a bit from him.GR24's Musing #19 - Save the tatas!!
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Originally posted by goneriding24 View PostOh, I remember, back in the day, no one thought of slaughter to get rid of a horse. He/she was taken somewhere on the far side of a pasture/field/whatever and put down by bullet. Matter of fact, I never heard of slaughter till about the mid '70's or so. I remember an awful lot of people started 'sending their horses to pasture'. For the longest time, I thought they really were. They weren't. In polite company, it was a way of saying they'd been shipped to slaughter.
Look up the history of Kal Kan & Alpo. I Late 80's I used to visit the Alpo plant in Allentown. They had a field, pasture with horses that employees kulled for their own. Now Kal Kan, kulls from the racing industry. In Florida in the early 60s a grocery chain was selling horsemeat at their meat counter. I've seen large herds of horses bred just for slaughter. Many of them better horses then some are riding. Horse slaughter and eating horse meat has been around for some time.The ultimate goal of farming is not the growing of crops, but the cultivation and perfection of human beings.
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This thread has nothing to do with Kolub or Mormonism.Originally posted by Eye in the Sky View PostYou are a master of confusion, dude. On the OT thread about Mormonism, you seem all nuts about Mormonism, but when someone points out the stupidity of YOUR "religion", you can't handle it.


The ultimate goal of farming is not the growing of crops, but the cultivation and perfection of human beings.
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The word is cull. If by now you mean the 1970's then maybe you are correct about Kal Kan. Now, not so much. I don't know exactly when the pet food industry in the US stopped using horse meat but it has been at least 20 years.Originally posted by 7HL View PostLook up the history of Kal Kan & Alpo. I Late 80's I used to visit the Alpo plant in Allentown. They had a field, pasture with horses that employees kulled for their own. Now Kal Kan, kulls from the racing industry. In Florida in the early 60s a grocery chain was selling horsemeat at their meat counter. I've seen large herds of horses bred just for slaughter. Many of them better horses then some are riding. Horse slaughter and eating horse meat has been around for some time.
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The words are dog food.Originally posted by Laurierace View PostThe word is cull. If by now you mean the 1970's then maybe you are correct about Kal Kan. Now, not so much. I don't know exactly when the pet food industry in the US stopped using horse meat but it has been at least 20 years.
The world is still using horsemeat for animals. And humans are still eating horsemeat.
Look for “animal” by-products, “animal” meal or “animal” digest. It might be horse.The ultimate goal of farming is not the growing of crops, but the cultivation and perfection of human beings.
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Alpo was "all beef, not a speck of cereal" eons ago. Those of us of a certain age may remember Lorne Greene pushing it.
It was a subtle swipe at the competitors still using horsemeat.
In fact, caused some dietary issues due to low calcium content resulting in nutritional secondary hyperparathyroidism."It's like a Russian nesting doll of train wrecks."--CaitlinandTheBay
...just settin' on the Group W bench.
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