Parelli University

[hundredacres]

Yep, Katarine. With Scientology and parillites, the more money you spend, the higher up you go in levels. For Scientology, you (supposedly, cough crazytinytom cruise) eventually achieve god-like status and powers, after spending million(s) of dollars on auditing and steps. I don't know if that's offered (the god-like status and powers) by Parelli, though.

I believe God-like status is a level 4.....

[7HL]

Congratulations. You have, very concisely, defeated your own arguement.

Guess I am defeated... you win.

I think you have certainly done it this time, defending PP...

Not defending Parelli. The language is common in many employement contracts.

You'd still defend them if they dropped a load of manure in your hallway and charged you to clean it up yourself...

Wrong... example, I don't agree the fact that Pat excepted and award from HSUS. They seem to endorse HSUS.

Is ok, aside from this Pepperoni business, you are a decent guy...

I may or may not be. Most of us here are names on a computer screen. Judgements made by someones posts may not show ones true feelings and character. I have been called evil by some because I don't oppose slaughter.

You just can't argue religion...

This isn't religion. And what people are willing to defend or make attacks on based on religion are absurd.

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[GaitedGloryRider]

Sure it's not a full-on religion but it sure bears some damn striking similarities to it.

From the rule about not "teaching outside the curriculum" to this little dandy of a disclaimer; "Any variation from these can result in safety compromises, which could result in serious injury or even death." it sure as hell sounds like "Follow our lord and savior for eternal salvation or you could die and burn in hell" to me.

Okay, all joking aside.

I've never, NEVER in all my years and all the trainers I've known seen any so blatantly ARROGANT as to suggest that

1) Their way is THE be-all end-all to training a horse
2) Deviating from THEIR methods can result in injury or death

and to top it off I've NEVER had ANYONE I've ever worked with in any sort of professional capacity suggest that they should be able to micro-manage my own personal life on such a level that this P-U crap does. Morality clauses in employment contracts are one thing, some of the junk stated in this "educational program" is just absurd.

[hundredacres]

Just like a cult, they prey on the vulnerable, exploit them financially and segregate from the rest of the world through fear, using claims of exclusivity.

I was involved in a cult as a young teen. The mindset of the followers is identical - there is no other Way and if I behave and pay my dues (spiritually, financially and physically), I will achieve Enlightenment.

[7HL]

Just like a cult, they prey on the vulnerable, exploit them financially and segregate from the rest of the world through fear, using claims of exclusivity.

I was involved in a cult as a young teen. The mindset of the followers is identical - there is no other Way and if I behave and pay my dues (spiritually, financially and physically), I will achieve Enlightenment.

One persons cult is another persons religion.

For some, what someone is obcessed with might be concidered a cult. Maybe COTH is a CULT or how about Dressage? Could HSUS be a cult? Lets not forget the RARAs and the anti-slaughter crowd, cultish behavior.

[GotGait]

Creepy. I grew up on a commune and this just looks a little too familiar. It smells like a combination cult and brilliant marketing machine. I think I'll avoid that Kool-Aid.

It sounds a bit like Scientology SEA ORG. They even practice "disconnection" - don't associate with nonbelievers or we will take your rating away. So creepy.
Basically just giving money to Pat for a useless "degree" - oh, but you get the experience of washing dishes and lugging rocks.

Although I do wonder if the money train is running a bit slow. Maybe the idea is to find a few rich suckers instead of relying on all the poorer folks who might not be spending money right now.

[goneriding24]

It sounds a bit like Scientology SEA ORG. They even practice "disconnection" - don't associate with nonbelievers or we will take your rating away. So creepy.
Basically just giving money to Pat for a useless "degree" - oh, but you get the experience of washing dishes and lugging rocks.

Although I do wonder if the money train is running a bit slow. Maybe the idea is to find a few rich suckers instead of relying on all the poorer folks who might not be spending money right now.

This is what I have been thinking. I noticed Pep was in Western Horseman recently and trying to hang with the big boys. Would love to be a fly on the wall when he's not around, to hear what the big boys really are saying about him. Who knows, they may see a good thing and want in on the gravy train. In the yesteryear days, I'm pretty sure he'd be sloughed off, but, in this economy, maybe everyone needs to pull together for their piece of the pie.

Just like, I read in the App Journal. I skimmed it so look it up for yourself, but I think the breeds might be pulling together for shows and whatnot, trying to keep themselves afloat till times get better. Then, I if times get better, I'm guessing they'll split back up. Who knows??

[Equibrit]

I hear there is some real estate going cheap in Guyana .
http://www.montesbastides.com/module...stown-818.html

[Mara]

What if one of their students insists on wearing a helmet when mounted? Is that grounds for expulsion?

[7HL]

What if one of their students insists on wearing a helmet when mounted? Is that grounds for expulsion?

NO... Helmets are optional. Always have been.

[alibi_18]

What if one of their students insists on wearing a helmet when mounted? Is that grounds for expulsion?

I guess it would be fine unless you want to wear the helmet in the bedroom!

[SwampYankee]

From the guidelines-

WHAT WOULD CAUSE A STAR RATING TO BE LOWERED OR REVOKED?

An annual star rating review is carried out at the time of re-licensing. Professional status may be REVOKED or a STAR RATING CHANGED, for patterns of:
• Continued pattern of teaching long-term students not enrolled in the Parelli program (member)
• Not keeping your horsemanship improving
• Not displaying Parelli promotion banner
• Not adhering to guidelines
• Not attending required instructor courses
• Misuse of drugs/alcohol
• Inappropriate sexual behavior
• Unlawful behavior
• Recurring negative reports from customers
• Bad Rapport with the Parelli Central Office
• Compulsories not met
• Teaching more than authorized
• Teaching outside the approved curriculum
• Allowing stallions in any class
• Poor credit with Parelli Central
• Unreported/unresolved student complaints, accidents
• Poor peer relations
• Poor office/business relations with Parelli Natural Horsemanship, or its sponsors
• Poor communication/lack of contact with Parelli through professionals@parelli.com
• Using products, equipment, techniques, etc. not approved by Parelli Natural Horsemanship
• Unprofessional behavior
• Behavior counter to corporate objectives
Attention: It is critical to understand the importance of adhering to the guidelines as stated. Any variation from these can result in safety compromises, which could result in serious injury or even death. If you teach outside your guidelines, you could be viewed as a higher risk of liability in a court of law.

social media guidelines, which sound like WWJD.
Social Media
Every instructor is strongly encouraged to be an active participant in the social media platforms. This includes Twitter, Facebook, blogs, and Parelli Connect. Posts should be “professional” – the filter being “would I want the office (or Pat and Linda) to see this?” This does not mean that you cannot relate personal frustrations on your journey, but that you act as a professional when and how you relate them.

I've seen guidelines exactly like these for instructor/owners of chain martial arts studios. Chapter and verse, to the point where they could have lifted this right off of United Studios' website. Most of the MA instructors blow 90% of it off, and their places are legally franchised. How are they going to determine your sexual behavior is "inappropriate?" They going to WATCH? He's trying to insure a certain code of conduct for people representing "his" schtick here, but good luck with that ol' boy. My MA instructor was a tequila-swilling, womanizing megalomaniac and he didn't get kicked out!

[7HL]

I've seen guidelines exactly like these for instructor/owners of chain martial arts studios. Chapter and verse, to the point where they could have lifted this right off of United Studios' website. Most of the MA instructors blow 90% of it off, and their places are legally franchised. How are they going to determine your sexual behavior is "inappropriate?" They going to WATCH? He's trying to insure a certain code of conduct for people representing "his" schtick here, but good luck with that ol' boy. My MA instructor was a tequila-swilling, womanizing megalomaniac and he didn't get kicked out!

Very possibly copied. Pat has studied MA.

[Alagirl]

7, give it up.

I have another online friend, sharp as a tack, picks faulty arguments apart in a New York Minute.
But argue religion and all of that goes out the window.

I do see the same pattern with you. You seem to have a good head on your shoulder, but the PP topic comes up and you try to dismiss any argument. All around. Your usual deductive skills vanish.

Yep PP took the HSUS award. The man is about $$, you see that yourself. But when somebody else points it out, you get....well....defensive.



it's ok, we love predictability.
We know that as soon as PP is mentioned in a thread, you show up.
Quicker even when it's in the title.


Carry on.

(now mind you, I don't hardly read your PP responses anymore. They are predictable, too)

[JollyBadger]

Da savvy string! http://shop.parellinaturalhorsetrain...f?productId=17

$20 for 6ft of yachting rope with a popper.

But wait! It's Parelli engineered, tested and improved to be better than yachting rope! What a steal at twenty bucks!

Testimonials: "I can't believe how often I have been thankful to be carrying my savvy string. Whether it is to catch a loose horse or tie up a bucket, I have found the savvy string to be a very useful tool."

"I thought I would save myself some dollars and do my own, what a waste of time, once you have the real deal it has a much smoother flow. Worth every cent...."

"This excellent quality rope not only has the feel you want when playing with your horse but is strong and durable enough for hundreds of other uses! Mine regularly gets used as a dog lead, tying things up, to help hold a gate whilst on a big horse, and the ultimate emergency fence repair tool! Makes a good halter if you forget yours to!"

My gawd it sounds like Billy Mays was writing that sh*t!

PEOPLE! IT'S A F*****G ROPE!!!

And you, my dear, owe me a new keyboard and a monitor.

The testimonials just reek of desperation to justify spending that much money on a 6' rope.

Oh. . .but it's not just a rope. . .it's a Savvy String.

I'm going to start renaming common items around the barn to make them sound clever and majikal and able to fulfill a need that "ordinary" items cannot. Grain scoops, hoses, buckets, manure forks, even leftover bits of baling twine. . .nothing will be spared.

[Alagirl]

tieing up a bucket with a 20$ rope...baling twine could be used for that....

Priceless

[SwampYankee]

And you, my dear, owe me a new keyboard and a monitor.

The testimonials just reek of desperation to justify spending that much money on a 6' rope.

Oh. . .but it's not just a rope. . .it's a Savvy String.

I'm going to start renaming common items around the barn to make them sound clever and majikal and able to fulfill a need that "ordinary" items cannot. Grain scoops, hoses, buckets, manure forks, even leftover bits of baling twine. . .nothing will be spared.

But MY manure fork is the "Tines of Truth!"

[7HL]

tieing up a bucket with a 20$ rope...baling twine could be used for that....

Priceless

Actually those that would go to the course, would have more then two or three Savvy Stings in many colors. They have probably been using Parelli techniques for years.

Their plan is to become Parelli Professionals.

[7HL]

7, give it up.

I have another online friend, sharp as a tack, picks faulty arguments apart in a New York Minute...

A friend who is sharp as a tack, but no horse.

Yep PP took the HSUS award. The man is about $$, you see that yourself. But when somebody else points it out, you get....well....defensive

Defensive no. Disagree with that he did. I know why he did it. All clinicians are in it for the money.

I would love to see any clinician tell someone that came to them with a horse, to stop what they are doing and sell that no good horse to the meat man. There are some people that shouldn't own horses, some don't and some horses that are only good for the meat man.

[katarine]

You didn't see the documentary Buck, did you Seven?

When the owner of the yellow horse said she was going to have the horse put down, he supported her.

He didn't soak her for a savvy string much less a packet of DVDs.