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  • [QUOTE=Sandy M;6427624]The problem is - as I am sure whatshername (the autistic lady) would tell you - there are no specifically designed "horse" slaughter houses. They are designed for cattle, pigs, sheep, and therefore, the slaughter remains inhumane. ...QUOTE]

    The woman with autism that designed for the cattle industry is Temple Grandin.
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    • [QUOTE=Antaeus;6428116]
      Originally posted by Sandy M View Post
      The problem is - as I am sure whatshername (the autistic lady) would tell you - there are no specifically designed "horse" slaughter houses. They are designed for cattle, pigs, sheep, and therefore, the slaughter remains inhumane. ...QUOTE]

      The woman with autism that designed for the cattle industry is Temple Grandin.
      Thanks. I've even read her book Animals in Translation, but the name just wouldn't come to me, and I was too lazy to google it. No disrespect intended, just a memory lapse on my part. I'm oooooold. *G*

      As for 7HL, your professed "could care less" attitude is disingenuous. Your contempt for "ribbon chasers" is obvious. Now, what about the lady I assisted at a show recently. Newly a professional (ridden and schooled horses most of her life but only turned "pro" about 4-5 years ago), attended/attending various state dressage organization certification clinics for instructors, etc. Showing a client's Arabian at a dressage show, a horse she qualified for state championships last year at 1st level, moving up a level this year. Got her scores (both qualifying scores), and declined her ribbons, saying, "no, the scores are what we want/need. Please save them [the ribbons] for someone else at another show or donate them." So, I guess she's okay, not a ribbon chaser? Or is "score chasing" something you are equally contemptuous of? By the way, the said horse is a good trail horse, too, so I guess his training is adequate, Parelli or not. You seem to dislike anyone who has a goal beyond just "riding" and/or doing Parelli. Anyone with goals is somehow an evil ribbon chasing, dressage/jumping/whatever idiot who doesn't know what they are doing according to you.

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      • Originally posted by 7HL
        Wrong.

        People going to the Parelli University are doing it to eventually make money by franchising the program. They have been using the program for some time.
        Don't professionals who win ribbons make money by selling their expertise to others? No franchise, necessarily, but you don't have to be McDonald's to sell hamburgers.

        The idea of spending in excess of $135,000 to master the Parelli system is just absurd on its face. You can earn a pretty good academic degree at some very prestigious schools (like Cornell or Sul Ross) for a whole lot less. Certainly everybody gets to spend their money as they wish, but that doesn't buy them immunity from criticism or comment.

        On the subject of economics, what's the average gross for a Parelli trainer who'd done the Full Monty? How much time does it take them to recoup their investment?

        The idea that a trainer must be "pure" is equally absurd. Not even Socrates demanded "intellectual purity." Not even Xenophon claimed he knew everything. And the very idea that Podhajsky, Dorrance, Henry, Wofford, etc. would be excluded from the program as they are not "pure" certainly reeks of a cult mentality.

        The old saw about a fool and his money remains viable even 300 years after it was written.

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        • Originally posted by 7HL
          No disdain. People should be allowed to spend there money as they choose.
          Originally posted by 7HL
          I have seen it locally where ribbon chasers drool over a woman that was supposed to have gone to the Olympics.
          Said with obvious respect for the supposed Olympian and her students. No disdain there. No sirree.

          It's not a Certificate. People going to the University want to franchise the Parelli Training Methods and name. The want to become Certified Parelli Instructors.
          So they become Certified, but they don't get a Certificate? Okey dokey.

          Do they get exclusive geographic territories, marketing support, such as advertising or even coop discounts, and other perquisites? Because that's what franchisees get for the time and money they spend with the franchisor. And usually a lot more.

          Both take a skill set, agreed. Each are doing for a different purpose.
          Well, yes. One is taking lessons from the Supposed Former Olympian and going to shows. The other has signed on for lessons from Pat and Linda Parelli, who specialize in selling their own special brand of horsemanship, plus tack, ropes, sticks, plush animals, chapstick, DVDs, etc.

          Oh wait -- there is no guarantee that you'll even see the Parellis much less get to train with them. Yeah, it's definitely for a different purpose.

          Originally posted by Mtn trails View Post
          And Parellites just want to earn different colored "savvy" strings and gold stars.
          Oh boy. I'd forgotten about the colored strings.
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          • Originally posted by Guilherme View Post
            Don't professionals who win ribbons make money by selling their expertise to others? No franchise, necessarily, but you don't have to be McDonald's to sell hamburgers.
            Lets use your McDonald's as an example. Since some here might compare Parelli's methods to fast food.

            If anyone can sell hamburgers, then why do people pay millions for a McDonald's Franchise. It's the opportunity to make money. There are tons of restrictions and requirements to be a franchise owner. There is also no guarantees either on how much money you will make. But there is a track record.

            People may not like it but Parelli Certified trainers make money. So if you like the program and have been using it for some time, some decide to do it for a living.
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            • Anyone here ever heard of the Landmark Forum? EST?

              Similarities to PU?

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              • As for 7HL, your professed "could care less" attitude is disingenuous.
                Like.

                Got her scores (both qualifying scores), and declined her ribbons, saying, "no, the scores are what we want/need. Please save them [the ribbons] for someone else at another show or donate them."
                At a big show, there is probably going to be printing on the ribbons making them hard to award in a different venue. I think the nice lady probably just didn't want more ribbons.
                (Although at a local updowner schooling show, the ribbons were all printed pretty much the same, ie 'Local Stable Horse Show, First Award', and extra ribbons went into the big beginner classes, where three or four kids 'tied' for third, fourth, fifth and sixth place, meaning that of all 15 kids in the class nobody was 'worse' than 6th...)

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                • Originally posted by 7HL View Post
                  Lets use your McDonald's as an example. Since some here might compare Parelli's methods to fast food.

                  If anyone can sell hamburgers, then why do people pay millions for a McDonald's Franchise. It's the opportunity to make money. There are tons of restrictions and requirements to be a franchise owner. There is also no guarantees either on how much money you will make. But there is a track record.

                  People may not like it but Parelli Certified trainers make money. So if you like the program and have been using it for some time, some decide to do it for a living.
                  I had been thinking that all these rules sounded less like a university or training courses and a lot more like a franchise agreement. I was wondering about comparing P.U. to the McDonalds 'university'.

                  I get why the Parellis might want a consistent 'product' from a certified training program. But for my part, horses are more complicated than hamburgers. I would want a trainer who's able and allowed to pull out whatever 'tool' in the arsenal is most appropriate for the animal in front of them on that day. If a horse trainer has to be locked into one certain way, they already lost me as a client.
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                  • so it's a certification program but it isn't, with certificates of completion or not, and it is and is not a franchise opportunity.

                    CHECK!

                    Not that kind of check. I'm not stupid.

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                    • Originally posted by GaitedGloryRider View Post
                      http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/12039681/parelli-people

                      "...halter is woven from Pat Parelli's own mustache hairs..."
                      Priceless! I love xtranormal!

                      7L, bless your heart, your arguments (when discussing Parelli) are not logical, and bounce from the irrelevant to the absurd and back again.
                      I have read some of your posts on other subjects and you are, for the most part, civil and considerate
                      However,when Parelli is mentioned , you seem to lose your ability to have a rational response to anyone's posts on the subject ,and begin to make no sense whatsoever.
                      I think that this circumstance alone does make people wonder about the "Kool-aid" factor, since you seem to be fairly intelligent and rational when discussing other subjects..
                      Last edited by skydy; Jul. 9, 2012, 10:53 PM.

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                      • Leave it to COTH...

                        Bored, Decided to come check out the board, and oh lookie a Parelli thread, that should be good for some amusement, But wait there is slaughter thrown in?? only on COTH!!
                        Edited to add.. I just read the first post. Good lord I knew he was a snake oil salesman but my god now I see how he affords that huge 12 horse Semi. >I can't even watch his programs on RFD unless I have had a few glasses of wine. Come on, Are people REALLY that naive?

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                        • I can't even watch his programs on RFD unless I have had a few glasses of wine.
                          That actually sounds like a LOT of fun.

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                          • I study Parelli. I'm not one of the crazy ones that waves sticks at horses they never ride.

                            I have a friend who is going thru PU. She's studied PNH since she was 11yrs old. She is now in her early 20's and is a 1 Star Professional.

                            I don't agree with everything about PNH, especially how they don't encourage their students to wear helmets. I've NEVER understood that. Although, I've seen many UL dressage riders schooling in arenas in visors as well. Also equally stupid, I think.

                            One thing to remember about the pricing, is that those are a la carte, non-member rates. So, take at least 1/3 off the total price just for being a member. Then, you can buy the levels in packages. I would say the school is closer to 80K, than what was written by the OP. 80K for a degree is pretty competative to what else is out there.

                            Bill Gates has a list of 'self-help' books he requires his upper management employees to read.

                            As far as the gossiping disclosure...I think that is geared more toward what it actually say's; "Gossiping". The majority of horse owners are women, therefore, the majority of PNH students are women. Women are by nature, DREADFUL gossips. There are exceptions, to be certain; but I can see the need for the disclosure. The last thing PU wants is a salty student whining on FB about how someone else isn't as good as he/she is. As for not disclosing the other info, that makes sense to me too. If I were to be discussing stuff that goes on with the process of my job, I would be fired. Confidentiality is a common disclosure in any job. A student speaking about things they learned in class, could be taken as a student trying to teach, before they are certified to. I think we've all seen our share of uncertified Parelli people carrying on in a most unfashionable manner.

                            PNH is a touchy subject with lots of people. It worked for me with my last horse, when nothing else did. It's worked for a lot of people. And it's annoyed a lot of people. I guess it takes all of us, to make the world go round.
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                            • Originally posted by Neigh-Neigh View Post


                              One thing to remember about the pricing, is that those are a la carte, non-member rates. So, take at least 1/3 off the total price just for being a member. Then, you can buy the levels in packages. I would say the school is closer to 80K, than what was written by the OP. 80K for a degree is pretty competative to what else is out there.

                              Bill Gates has a list of 'self-help' books he requires his upper management employees to read
                              Have you lost your mind?
                              $80,000 for a Parelli horse training "degree"? That is competitive (or comparative) to WHAT?
                              You are comparing this "degree" (which is not a "degree" in any scholastic sense, only a "certificate" given by people who have invented their own horsey training world) to anything having to do with an academic degree or Bill Gates and his upper management?

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                              • Originally posted by skydy View Post
                                Have you lost your mind?
                                $80,000 for a Parelli horse training "degree"? That is competitive (or comparative) to WHAT?
                                You are comparing this "degree" (which is not a "degree" in any scholastic sense, only a "certificate" given by people who have invented their own horsey training world) to anything having to do with an academic degree or Bill Gates and his upper management?
                                I'm comparing it to the Masters Degree's that many of my friends have (or are getting), that have them begging for 35K a year jobs, many times not even in the field they want to be in. Meanwhile, the 2 Parelli professionals I personally know (I can't speak for all of them) are packing their clinics and are having no problem paying their bills or expanding their businesses. As for the Bill Gates comment. Hey, if it's ok for Bill Gates, it's ok for me. I've read most of the books on his list.
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                                • Neigh-neigh- though I may not agree with you, the tone of your post is quite refreshing. It makes it possible for a civilized discussion.

                                  I can't see spending that amount of money at PU. But then, what people spend their money on is up to them. I once dropped my home equity loan on saving the life of my Jack Russell so who am I to judge.

                                  The P's certainly are brilliant at marketing and targeting their audience.... THAT I would pay big $ to learn ( or what their special Ingredient is in their cool aid ha ha).
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                                  • Yup...

                                    Originally posted by Horsie View Post
                                    That actually sounds like a LOT of fun.
                                    Wine makes them even funnier!!

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                                    • Originally posted by Neigh-Neigh View Post
                                      I'm comparing it to the Masters Degree's that many of my friends have (or are getting), that have them begging for 35K a year jobs, many times not even in the field they want to be in. Meanwhile, the 2 Parelli professionals I personally know (I can't speak for all of them) are packing their clinics and are having no problem paying their bills or expanding their businesses. As for the Bill Gates comment. Hey, if it's ok for Bill Gates, it's ok for me. I've read most of the books on his list.
                                      The problem here is that the Parelli system of handling and riding horses is a bit irrational, doesn't really correspond to much we do in our societies with horses, other than maybe entertainment.
                                      In some ways it is right down objectionable to the rest of us that follow traditional horsemanship.
                                      Remember the videos that were posted from their educational series.

                                      So, you are paying a very large amount and spending so much time learning a less than adequate way to handle horses, rough, easily better as taught by any traditional horsemansip program.
                                      The Parelli system riding is useless to do any other than cruise around on a horse, fluidity, monkey riding and such the antithesis of any proper riding.

                                      It is like going to school to be some kind of priest in a religion that has very narrow group of people practicing.
                                      Then being a priest to them is all you can do with all you learned about that religion, no one else believes what you do is right.
                                      Few will be interested in your church, it's mostly useless for most.
                                      You will have to get people to convert from their religion to find customers for your odd one.

                                      If you try to do any other than Parelli type riding and teaching, you have to go somewhere to relearn how to handle horses so you can do more than bopping them around and cruising around discombobulated.
                                      See the youtube videos of LP lessons.

                                      So much to the Parelli system of handling and riding is from irrelevant to objectionable.

                                      I agree, it is people's money and they can spend their money where they choose.
                                      Just don't expect the rest of us not to keep pointing that emperor has no clothes.

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                                      • Originally posted by Neigh-Neigh View Post
                                        I would say the school is closer to 80K, than what was written by the OP. 80K for a degree is pretty competative to what else is out there.

                                        Um - it's not a real school, and comparing it to a real Masters program is ridiculous. Try putting PU on your resume and see how far that gets you in the real world.

                                        Bill Gates has a list of 'self-help' books he requires his upper management employees to read.

                                        Parelli is no Bill Gates.

                                        As far as the gossiping disclosure...I think that is geared more toward what it actually say's; "Gossiping". The majority of horse owners are women, therefore, the majority of PNH students are women. Women are by nature, DREADFUL gossips. There are exceptions, to be certain; but I can see the need for the disclosure. The last thing PU wants is a salty student whining on FB about how someone else isn't as good as he/she is. As for not disclosing the other info, that makes sense to me too. If I were to be discussing stuff that goes on with the process of my job, I would be fired. Confidentiality is a common disclosure in any job. A student speaking about things they learned in class, could be taken as a student trying to teach, before they are certified to. I think we've all seen our share of uncertified Parelli people carrying on in a most unfashionable manner.

                                        Really? You're comparing a "gossiping" disclosure to real workforce policies? And then saying it's needed because WOMEN are gossips?

                                        Workplace policies do not single out certain employees for discrimination or derision - and especially not on the basis of sex. You know, I think there's even a law against that. (yes, that's sarcasm)
                                        But thanks for confirming that Pat Parelli is a misogynist. It explains a lot - especially all his snide, denigrating remarks about other horse sports.

                                        Go ahead and keep drinking that kool-aid - if you think that PU (which isn't an accredited university nor is it a franchise - if it was a REAL franchise he'd be required to provide disclosure documents and financial data to prospective franchisees. And if it was a REAL University he'd be required to jump through a heck of a lot of hoops too.)

                                        In other words - your friend has been scammed. Parelli is more of a pyramid scheme than anything else.
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                                        • Originally posted by Neigh-Neigh View Post
                                          As far as the gossiping disclosure...I think that is geared more toward what it actually say's; "Gossiping". The majority of horse owners are women, therefore, the majority of PNH students are women. Women are by nature, DREADFUL gossips. There are exceptions, to be certain; but I can see the need for the disclosure. The last thing PU wants is a salty student whining on FB about how someone else isn't as good as he/she is. As for not disclosing the other info, that makes sense to me too. If I were to be discussing stuff that goes on with the process of my job, I would be fired. Confidentiality is a common disclosure in any job. A student speaking about things they learned in class, could be taken as a student trying to teach, before they are certified to. I think we've all seen our share of uncertified Parelli people carrying on in a most unfashionable manner.
                                          I think it's wording used on that disclosure that sets most people off. It specifically mentions discussing the program online, on blogs, FB, etc. What about with your non-horsey friends? Your family? Seems to be they're more interested about their image online than actual confidentiality. I, for example, work at an NHS clinic an administrative. I handle confidential information that I could get fired for revealing, it goes without saying. Yet I didn't have to sign a contract saying I could not have any blogs or FB pages where I discuss my job.



                                          I think the problem that I and most people have with PNH is that it is offered as the ONLY solution to work with any horse, in any situation. Also the idea that he invented something new gets on my nerves. Natural horsemanship is not something new, it has been used in Portugal and Spain for the last 500 years so I can assure you Pat didn't invent it. And while the old school horseman in my country are faithful to the old traditions and tools, they will not disdain other horseman for using different methods, provided they are good horsemen, of course.
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