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  • #21
    Originally posted by Amwrider View Post
    I got a slogan for ya......

    E. Forel she puts the "ASS" in nyclASS
    Oh she is not affiliated with them per-say their agenda and hers are of the same ilk so they are mutually benefiting parasites of each other.
    "I would not beleive her if her tongue came notorized"

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    • #22
      Elizabeth Forel is co-founder of the Coalition to Ban Horse-Drawn Carriages in NYC and her sister organization Horses Without Carriages International.

      Steve Nislick (rich NYC real estate developer who owns eventing horses) is co-founder and co-president of NYCLASS along with his friend Ed Sayres, who gets paid about $500,000 annually as executive director of the ASPCA, which serves NYC.

      The ASPCA has regulatory powers over the NYC carriage horses, and the organization has gone on record officially as saying that the carriages need to be banned because that organization does not think that conditions in the city can ever be made humane enough for the keeping of horses. BUT it is mum of the status of the NYPD mounted patrol horses, who also live and work in NYC. It also has been mum regarding any riding stables within the city. It has just targeted the carriage horses.

      Mary Xanthos (the cursing veterinarian/ perennial animal rights protester as per her own video on youtube) is a small animal vet who practices in NYC. She is also the owner/ moderator of the fb pages Carriage Horse Cruelty and Win Animal Rights, as far as I can figure it out.

      Then there are the two PAID minions of Nislick's NYCLASS Allie and Carley, who are making big bucks mounting the PR campaign to ban the NYC carriages, and who do not tell the truth and sensationalize any accident that may have remotely involved a carriage while ignoring the dangers presented by the pedicabs. NYCLASS is the group that wants to replace the 68 carriages with fake antique replicars- battery powered-- that would cost about $175,000 each to build. Their idea is that the carriage drivers could then pay to lease these cars, so, at least, they would not be jobless if the carriages are banned.

      Rounding out the cast of characters is Edita Birnkrant, executive director of Friends of the Animals in NY. She also likes to lie about the carriage horses' living conditions and is a paid employee of this very large animal rights non-profit. She is the one who remarked something to the effect that when Hickstead died he was at last free from slavery since he was used by his owner and rider as a show jumper.

      Lurking along the edges are PETA, of course, and some of the more radical animal rights organizations like ALF - Animal Liberation Front -- known for breaking into private property to "liberate" animals that do not belong to them.

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      • #23
        Besides the ASPCA, who are all the groups and departments that oversee the horses?

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        • #24
          Oh, Ms Forel took objection to my comment...and all she could say was I had a made up name!

          No lady, that is very much my name, thank you very much.

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          • #25
            I believe the IRS is revisiting their audits for non-profits....eg., if the non-profit is really a front for political activism, their status may be at risk.
            Do not confuse motion and progress. A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress.
            Alfred A. Montapert

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            • #26
              WHY are we feeding this troll?

              We're giving her free publicity!

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              • #27
                Forel thinks there is only one person on the planet who objects to her lunatic ravings and that person keeps making up different names. I really am not kidding about this - she is constantly accusing other posters of being Eva Hughes or Christina Hansen - she accused me of being both of these people in the past.

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by lolalola View Post
                  Forel thinks there is only one person on the planet who objects to her lunatic ravings and that person keeps making up different names. I really am not kidding about this - she is constantly accusing other posters of being Eva Hughes or Christina Hansen - she accused me of being both of these people in the past.

                  I mean you do have more than one voice in your head, but that is ridiculous.

                  I should send her a letter to the office, after calling the NYC fraud hotline

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                  • #29
                    Excellent idea, Alagirl!

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                      #30
                      She really has a problem with reading comprehension. Very ballsy of her to call me out by name on her facebook page when I'm already banned from commenting!
                      \"Non-violence never solved anything.\" C. Montgomery Burns

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                      • #31
                        she certainly needs her meds adjusted if she thinks only 2 people disagree with her.

                        now do riddle me this:
                        How come she is not facing disciplinary actions by actively working against her boss (mayor) and other general interests of her employer - the City of New York....not to mention giving the natives a really ugly reputation in front of the tourists (the cash cows)

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                        • #32
                          Originally posted by Alagirl View Post
                          Besides the ASPCA, who are all the groups and departments that oversee the horses?
                          I can't remember off the top of my head, but it was posted once on one of the pro-carriage facebook pages.

                          I believe the the equvalent of the department of health also can check the horses and stables and then the carriages and drivers have to be licensed by yet another agency or agencies.

                          A carriage owner in NYC once explained it all in that someone needs FOUR different permits or licenses in order to be able the operate a street carriage for hire in NYC- one for the stable accomodation- one for the driver- one for the carriage and one for the horse.

                          There are only 68 medallions or licenses available NYC for carriages and all of them are already owned. The only way to get one is to buy one or an interest in one from someone who owns one and wants to sell it.Some people own more than one medallion and some people own half a medallion so they can operate either on the night or day shift and their co-owner operates during the other shift.The shifts are 9 hours long. A given horse is only allowed to work ONE 9 hour shift per 24 hours.

                          Additionally, since the NYPD has police powers over traffic matters, I guess they could also issue a ticket or make an arrest if a driver breaks a traffic law with a horse-drawn carriage.
                          Last edited by bayou_bengal; Jul. 2, 2012, 12:14 PM.

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