I am "anti-war", dcm, but I don't think you were referring to me. 
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Dang, Albion! There's that "SOL" again - in a different context! 
"I can justify anything!"\"Riding a horse is not a gentle hobby, to be picked up and laid down like a game of solitaire. It is a grand passion. It seizes a person whole and, once it has done so, he will have to accept that his life will be radically changed.\" -- Ralph Waldo EComment
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dcm,
I'll bite, but before I do, are you talking about internationally or just here at home?
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Duffy, I do think it depends on which countries you're speaking of re the healthcare systems. Impoverished nations, yes. Western Europe, almost never. When I lived in Britain, I thought their socialized system left a lot to be desired, but you still good care.
When my grandmother was diagnosed with liver cancer, she chose to spend her remaining days at home. This was in Holland. Her medication was delivered. The doctor came once a day in the beginning, two and three times towards the end. Nurse came a few times a day as well. Because there was only one caretaker, my mom, someone from the healthcare system called her every day to see if she needed groceries delivered. They even had provisions for someone to come to your house if the caretaker needed to get out and run errands or whatever.Comment
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What dcm- leave the "Tunnel of Oppression" and walk into the "Tunnel of Optimism"?
I'll play, since I'm not anti-Bush I will play the devils advocate and say something "negative" about him. He is not elegant when giving speeches.
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dcm, I do not only "claim" to love the US, I do love the US. But since this thread was about the war, and many of us are against us, then our responses regarding war are generally going to be of the negative variety. It certainly doesn't mean we love our country any less, but the thread wasn't the Say Nice Things About America thread, it was one about war. If you had threads about politics and religion, I am sure the debate would be as hotly contested as this one has been.
By "we" I mean those against the war.Comment
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Duffy, I just spit Dr. Pepper all over my keyboard.
I was a junior in HS when they first instituted the SOLs in VA. We didn't have to take them to graduate, but we were captive "test subjects".
My entire English class was in shock when we opened up our 11th Grade English SOL and the first page was HOW TO READ A TELEPHONE BILL. And not a complicated one, either. Questions included: "What would the total charges for the month be?"
On a test for juniors in high school!
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Duffster, this SOL reference has passed me by - I can't find the post - and I keep thinking it's "**** outta luck"!!!Comment
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ok, so fill us in on what SOL means, other than S**t out of luck.......
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Sounds very nice Corinne.
Hospice is at no cost here, and at least locally, is wonderful as well.
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SOLs
In VA at least, the "SOLs" are "Standards of Learning" tests in the core subjects (math, english, history, science - I think???) You must pass with X score in your tests to graduate (I don't really know the specifics, it's after my time). If schools as a whole do not do well over a period of time, they risk losing their accredidation/funding/etc.
It's part of the new wave of state standardized testing in high school. It's still a VERY contentious topic, for good reason.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Duffy:
I am "anti-war", dcm, but I don't think you were referring to me.
"I can justify _anything_!"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
No, Duffy, not you. I know how much you love this country. You can be both critical and supportive of the USofA. PS - how's the SO's son doing in Iraq?
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They have that test here, too, I think. Heard about it on the radio last week - bunch of teachers in LA up in arms that they were not fair, bla bla bla. BOY OH BOY, so I guess those are SOL and SOL Tests!Comment
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1. Allah and the Christian God are the same God since all are descended from Abraham and the village of Abraham is UR in what is now Iraq.
Abraham poor man must feel dreadful knowing his legacy spawned all three religions and all of his children hate each other from each religion fight with each other. Since God favored Abraham, I guess he's pretty disappointed in all of us too.
Every religion has it's big mouths and it's idiots. No point in being angry about a man who is too deaf to hear what other people say, that's his burden and not yours.
2. On BBC they said that the Museum people had been warned and put all their most valuable collections in safe vaults. Now, if we were there and guarded the museum and then had to shoot some of the Iraqi who were looting, what would you all have said?
Baghdad is not at peace! There are still groops of fanatic Saddam followers from Iraq and Syria determined to win those 6 virgins and be martyrs. So would you prefer it if our troops had split up and guarded the hospitals and the museum and then got picked off one at a time?
The fact is that with all you doomsday followers it wouldn't matter because whatever we as Americans do, it just isn't good enough. You liked Clinton because he didn't care what was right he cared what you thought was right today. Put his finger up and tested which way the wind was blowing each day.
I don't agree that's the right way to govern anything. I think a man/woman of principle, whatever the religious experience should do what they believe is right to be done and not worry about the cost, or the jeopardy to personal well being.
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Not to hijack the thread in a different direction, but many teachers in VA complain that instead of teaching for overall knowledge & understanding, they're teaching to a test instead. Which is true, I think. Basically they know what will be on the SOL, and that's what they teach. And drill in preperation, etc etc etc.
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The issue of healthcare is an interesting one. People in the US are rarely denied hospital care because they can't afford it. They are referred to specific hospitals who contract with the state to care for them. Who pays for it then? Everyone who can pay their costs does.
But on a subtler level, we have choices that would never exist in a system of nationalized healthcare. When my oldest soon was born, his medical bills were over $500,000. Thank God, we had real insurance "back it the day". He had access to leading edge medical care (at a state contracted hospital that also happened to be a research instution). There was a resident at the hospital who was not from the US (I think he was Canadian, but I can't swear to it). He said the kind of care my son required would not even exist in his country because it was too expensive, way beyond the protocols/guidlines established by the healthcare system in his country.See those flying monkeys? They work for me.
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RAyers - anywhere is fine, as long as it is positive.
SLW - we already knew that about GWB the first time he opened his mouth.
But I like him anyway. Where did you put that Tunnel of Optimism? My mostly-negative dtr is more positive about the US than most people here.
Coreene - this tread is about supporting our troops in Iraq, not "how many ways does the US suck" which it has turned into.
Snowbird - wasn't it 72 virgins? Or is that an exclusive to Al Queda?
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Albion, it is not just in high school! It starts in Elementary school! My kids' school is ranked right up there every year and they feel they need to stay there.
The poor teachers are not allowed to be individuals because pretty much 100% of their time is spent force-feeding mostly useless factoids into the childrens' brains. I understand why it was initially needed. But, stop penalizing the schools that DO have teachers who know how to teach and allow them to teach the children - not just how to take standardized tests.
My daughter didn't do particularly well on one prep-test on Native Americans' different abodes, foods, etc. in the State of Virginia. (If they didn't have a yankee for a mother, I'm not sure they would realize that there are other States other than Virginia and North Carolina.) She was supposed to memorize which tribes used what kind of mud on their tepees... Which kinds of berries which tribes ate... etc.
"I can justify anything!"\"Riding a horse is not a gentle hobby, to be picked up and laid down like a game of solitaire. It is a grand passion. It seizes a person whole and, once it has done so, he will have to accept that his life will be radically changed.\" -- Ralph Waldo EComment
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nhwr, on a totally separate subject ... when shall we lunch? Email me, darling. This week is now kaput, but next week Tues or Wed?
Snowbird, the media - the stuff I read and even Fox - said that the museum had put as much as possible into vaults, but the vaults were broken into. There were a few museums guards there to watch over the place.Comment
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Duffy, is this an every-year-of-elementary school type thing, or just at certain grades?
We had standardized tests in 3rd, 5th, & 6th grade? Or something like that. And I *believe* that we had some sort of VA state test on VA history, which is what we did in 3rd grade.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> She was supposed to memorize which tribes used what kind of mud on their tepees... Which kinds of berries which tribes ate... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Good lord. And we WONDER why kids hate history. ugh.
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