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Went to the livestock auction yesterday...

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    #21
    Oh, about their weight. I doubt they were 900 lbs soaking wet.

    Poor things, really. Needing groceries, intact-so not much socialization, hair and mane/tail a real bird's nest, unhandled, just looking for a way to escape. It really tugs on my heart strings. Since the KB wasn't there (or I didn't see him, which would be unusual), maybe someone bought them and kicked them back out on pasture. Doubt it but what else do you do with them?? I'm not sure the same person bought all three. Don't know how did. They were yarded-back and that was that.
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    • #22
      There is a horse boarding at my barn that was the "sale topper" at a livestock auction where he sold as a weanling with his mom and 2 older sisters. He went for a whopping $35. He's 3 now and a total sweetheart. The little guy is going to be a useful horse once he is a little older. Plus, he's a registered Foxtrotter, he's put together pretty nicely, and he's a lovely champagne color. Who knows where his dam and siblings ended up....

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      • #23
        Ahh the auction. But you know, there is always craigs list!

        And yet, people keep breeding their horses like a puppy mill.

        Sire and dam on premises. I love that phrase. So you purposefully bred your studly to your mare-ly and out pops the baby and now the owner is in a hurry to get rid of the foal, of course why. Wait for it, wait for it, so they can rebred the mare-ly to the studly again! Hey horse breeding IS profitable. I doubt they bred them so they could make themselves a future riding horse. Oh, they did! Ahhh but they lost their interest so their pipe dream can't be realized. Ahhh. I find they backyard breeders make all kind of excuses for breeding their horses. Saving their horses is just like buying a puppy mill puppy, that just gets it into their minds, let's make more. And they will boast and get it into their heads, that SEE breeding is fun, and profitable, and gee the foal sold so fast. Let's make more! There is bound to be another sucker come along.

        How about they bred studly and mare-ly so they could sell the mare in foal. Oh yeah, those make a mare sell so much better! Proven breeder then can be added to the resume of the mare. Who cares how she looks, handles, or rides, she has birthed a foal.

        People keep breeding their crappy unhandled horses to make more unhandled horses and expect others to pick up their trash they have made.

        BTW not all are so in awe of speshil colored-up horses. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

        People: stop breeding your craigslister / auction horses or they will end up at places like Three Angels Farm! And judging from their recent news event, the speshil colored horses were also on the truck bound for MX, then on to dinner plates of those overseas markets. I doubt there is a difference on the plate of consumers in a red coat as opposed to a champagne or bay coated horse.

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        • #24
          Originally posted by rustbreeches View Post
          At least they are still taking horses at those auctions. Numerous auction houses have stopped horse sales, and I know of at least one that makes you leave a $50 deposit with the horse so they get paid. $2.50 won't even cover the brand inspection and yardage fee at the sales barn here
          Once the economy tanked our local auction stopped taking horses. People were leaving the auction finding strange horses tied to their trailer - the horses inside were being sold for peanuts.....

          Very bad news for the horse industry when our infrastructure disappears. Once it's gone - it doesn't come back.
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          • #25
            I cannot imagine breeding .any. horses in the climate we are in now.

            I bought a coming 3 year old for what the stud fee is this year and if I had waited, I could probably have gotten her for less. I believe his stud fee was dropped $500 this year too. That's breeding fees, shipping fees, collection fees and 3 years worth of feed and care for the stud fee (which is probably not what the breeder paid 3 years ago) paid by someone else
            .
            when you can buy a horse with the breeding you want, the gender you want, ready to start or already broke, why would anyone breed????

            is beyond me.

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            • #26
              Originally posted by goneriding24 View Post
              Aside from the 'immediate' money, I think there are tax implications, like writing off your farm/ranch. Tax breaks. That's why some do it.
              Indeed, those nice agricultural zoning regulations to keep at least some land from being turned into McMansions (well, that's what happens in my area.) In general, I am in favor of them.

              But running a boarding stable or lesson program, let alone having a few personally-owned horses around, does not count as "agriculture" in most places. If you breed your personally-owned mares -- to the latest hottest stallion, to the stallion down the road, to a jack, or just to their own sons you haven't bothered to separate from the mares, that does count.

              Growing hay also counts, which is why some horse barns have huge hayfields instead of big turnouts (again, in my area.)

              At one point, I had people asking me all the time why I didn't breed my mare. She's pretty, she's talented, she's registered/pedigreed, she has a good brain. Not the most fabulous conformation, but I've seen far worse getting bred. Besides the fact that I didn't want to not be able to use her for all that time, there was also the fact that her value in the pleasure horse market shrank by about 50% within a few months of my buying her in early 2008. It's probably down at least 75% now. Why make another of her, even a New and Improved version of her?

              But... if only the careless and the ignorant breed, over time we'll lose the really top quality horses.
              You have to have experiences to gain experience.

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              • #27
                Originally posted by quietann View Post
                . . . But... if only the careless and the ignorant breed, over time we'll lose the really top quality horses.
                True about that. At least in the US. The warmblood registries seem to be doing alright overseas, but not everybody wants the type of horse they are turning out.

                I've heard the stories about people finding more horses in the trailer when they go outside at auctions too, and stories about horses being turned loose on parkland. Can't really verify any of the stories though.
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                • #28
                  Bear in mind this is a "livestock auction" she's talking about- not a horse sale, where people go to specifically buy horses. The horses dumped from time to time at our local cow/sheep auction generally sell very cheaply. Though I doubt 3 wild, skinny stallions would bring anything at a horse sale either.

                  I'm in Minnesota and we still have a bottom line "kill price" at our horse sales- last month when I went, (didn't go this month but usually go monthly to one of the local barns), there were a few in the loose horse pens that I would have taken a chance on had they been cheaper. They were friendly, youngish horses, the ones I liked- sold through with not much information, but (unfortunately for me) they were big enough horses, and in very good shape (bordering on fat), and brought $350-400 each. The ones I did buy were a thin Arab gelding that rode through ($170), and the other gelding I bought the owner ran the bid up a bit as no one else was bidding and I ended up paying $350 for him. But felt he was well worth it (and he is just a little gem, IMO). High sellers were $650-850, for bigger, fat, nice looking horses that appeared to ride well. At our other local sale barn, the one that is bigger and does catalog sales, you'll generally see high sellers well into the $1000s on up. Now that's not the majority of the horses through there, but the overall prices are usually higher.

                  The extremely low or no-bid horses I see at our local sales are almost always in the fall or winter, and are almost always weanlings/yearlings/small 2 year olds either wild or in rough shape. Crippled thin horses or blind horses sometimes too. Stallions, if they are low quality/thinner/very cheap one of the local kill buyers will buy and take home and geld in the backyard, get a bit of weight on and ship. I bought the saddest, cutest little yearling filly about 2 years ago there in the winter for $1 or $2.
                  The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done".

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by quietann View Post

                    Growing hay also counts, which is why some horse barns have huge hayfields instead of big turnouts (again, in my area.)
                    This also is nice when hay prices skyrocket--we haven't had any trouble getting hay at the barn I'm at as they grow their own and sell the extra (ie whatever they don't have room to store).

                    Re auction horses...my next-door neighbors here just picked up a pony out of the 'last-chance' pen at Shipsie (the no-sales; eventually a KB probably takes them, but until then they just hang around in the back pen and anyone who wants one can pick it up dirt cheap.) She appears to be a Hackney (I almost wonder if she's younger than they think and a very young/short Saddlebred.) BEAUTIFUL pony. And she was absolutely wild. Apparently getting her on the truck was a battle, they went to do her feet, she exploded, she acts as if she has never had a halter or been touched in her life. She's improving slowly, but it's pretty clear how such a pretty pony wound up in with the no-sales-I would suspect at some point she had a halter put on her, but she's clearly never been trained to do so much as walk calmly on a lead, never mind anything more complicated. So pretty as she is, she wound up with the lame, crazy, and dumped and is just lucky one of the guys next door decided she looked like she might make a driving pony.

                    There just isn't a market for unbroke, unhandled, ungelded. No matter how pretty they are.
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                    • Original Poster

                      #30
                      Too true. Around here, it's like there just isn't a market, period.
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                      • #31
                        Originally posted by Kwill View Post
                        My thought is, what possesed the owner to finally load up these horses and take them to the sale, after all that time of ignoring them?

                        Makes me angry to think of cleaning up your horse pasture like you would clean out your basement and take stuff to the thrift store.

                        Sigh.

                        Maybe his wife made him.

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                        • #32
                          Originally posted by Kwill View Post
                          My thought is, what possesed the owner to finally load up these horses and take them to the sale, after all that time of ignoring them?

                          Makes me angry to think of cleaning up your horse pasture like you would clean out your basement and take stuff to the thrift store.

                          Sigh.
                          How about they couldn't sell them otherwise? After a significant amount of time? Maybe a death in the family? Job Loss? Hard to know sitting a computer several hundred miles away. Not everyone's horses are pets.
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