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  • #21
    Originally posted by Arbitrary View Post
    Indeed.

    I loathe the implicit sense of entitlement that "I should be able to say what I want when I want, how I want (on a site I don't pay for) waaah" Typical these days.
    Yes, I wonder what percentage of BB posters actually subscribe to The Chronicle, or pay for BB membership?

    I've subscribed for decades- since long before the BB was a gleam in anybody's eye. Or the internet, for that matter.
    Last edited by MHM; Jun. 21, 2012, 06:24 PM.

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    • #22
      I've subscribed to the magazine for decades. But that doesn't give me the right to yell fire in a crowded theatre. (OK that's the example my law professors always used to say not everything is "free speech.")

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      • #23
        Originally posted by cloudyandcallie View Post
        I've subscribed to the magazine for decades. But that doesn't give me the right to yell fire in a crowded theatre. (OK that's the example my law professors always used to say not everything is "free speech.")
        Very true.

        The person who is given a free pass into the theater should not yell "fire" either. Nor, perhaps, criticize the content of the play too much.

        Much less boo or hiss.

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        • #24
          I got an interesting note from the insurance company about some change to the commerical policy about "damages and suffering caused by company website or ....(some such)" and what was or was not covered and so

          they are thieves,rapists and pillagers any damned way, so I did not read it all in detail,just put it in their file, but it was not a clause that was just specific to us but rather all the commerical policies they held...

          just something to think about...
          Tamara
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          • #25
            Originally posted by Fairfax View Post
            I would like to add there is a forum that has never censored. And strange...because of that they have never had to ban anyone nor shut anything down. They seem to catch the idea that passion runs deep but is a short race.

            It shuts itself down. People have lives..go on holidays...have to work...go to shows and the thread collapses.
            I have seen it tried in a couple of occassions.

            When people got their feelings hurt or didn't like what was being posted, they went to the ISP. If its a service that is running bulletin boards / forums, they try and moderate the service.

            Actually the fix really is, instead of ignore feature, have a block feature, like Facebook. Not only would people be able to ignore what others are posting, but they could exlude people from reading their posts.
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            • #26
              Speaking as a longtime forum and game moderator (going on something like 7 years of moderating both horse and gaming forums smaller than this one, but often rowdier since kids were more involved) I think that the moderation here tends to be excellent. Moderation comes down to judgment calls. Yes, the moderation as a whole here has made some bad ones. But on the whole, I think they make good ones.

              I have found in my experience that the people who complain the most about the moderation also tend to be the mods' biggest headaches. I couldn't say if that would generalize here or not; but often the biggest problem was a fundamental disconnect between the way that the complainants believed the board/game should be run, and the way that the administration/business/Big Shots were telling the mods to run it. One member threatening to go to my boss if I don't do X, Y, Z to or with a thread/member is not going to cost me my job. Not doing X, Y, Z that my boss had asked me to, on the other hand, will.
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              • #27
                Originally posted by SwampYankee View Post
                The United States press, of which the Internet and BB's such as this are now arguably an evolving part, has long held free exchange as a cornerstone of the necessary shuffling of the marketplace of ideas. The 1st Amendment stops us short of yelling "fire" in a crowded theater, or legally actionable slander, but seriously--discussing the published NEWS
                Even if I agreed that bulletin boards were the equivalent to the press, which I don't, this still doesn't hold water. Editors decide what will and will not be published all the time, reporters (which most of us here aren't) are not able to write whatever they want under their employer's mastheads.

                If you want to say whatever you want, however you want to say it, start a blog.

                And there HAVE been court cases where hosting services have been held responsible for what users say on their sites.

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                • #28
                  Compared to other boards I feel this board is very well moderated. If you don't feel it is being moderated in a way that allows you to enjoy the forum, then there are plenty of other choices out there. I always was happy that COTH had this free option for us to communicate and bounce ideas off each other. Quite frankly, I feel the tone of posters has changed alot over the last several years. I don't think the change has been for the better. That said, if I don't like it, I can leave. The same is true for anybody who posts here.

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by MHM View Post
                    Yes, I wonder what percentage of BB posters actually subscribe to The Chronicle, or pay for BB membership?

                    I've subscribed for decades- since long before the BB was a gleam in anybody's eye. Or the internet, for that matter.
                    I have since the 80's.
                    "Aye God, Woodrow..."

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                    • #30
                      Folks - it's mostly about personal discipline. If you would not say it in person to those involved, then do not type it on a BB.
                      There does seem to be a dirth of intelligent thought provoking posters these days.
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                        #31
                        Originally posted by Tamara in TN View Post
                        ummm, a privately held website does not really have to grant any "freedom of speech" guarantees to any one that they have allowed on their site...

                        follow their rules or kick the can down the road baby

                        Tamara
                        The point is that I think we ARE following the rules, with regard to keeping it civil, avoiding or coding profanity, etc. And I am not complaining about the Mods' work in general, which I agree with most here is very, very good.

                        I'm just trying to understand some decision making which seems arbitrary--if no one objects, the most outlandish stuff can run ad infinitum as everyone acknowledges has happened, yet even a short thread can be closed if someone finds it "objectionable" and therefore reports it to the Mods.

                        With respect to the AT thread, since the news broke on that in the mainstream media, not COTH, I'm sure it's being discussed in depth in every event barn in the country--I cannot imagine a scenario by which any next of kin of the decedent could SUE someone for that. This BB like many others is, in effect, a virtual back porch where we all come to find out what's going on out there among other riders and what our peers are thinking about it.

                        Certainly Parelli, Burr, O'Neill and HSUS could sue the board on the strength of threads running as we speak if THAT was all it took! So what are the criteria here, really?

                        And I am certainly not throwing a "temper tantrum." I come here to learn. And boy, have I learned A LOT!!

                        Therefore, let me rephrase the question: Do we have an obligation when posting to retire the minute we have "offended" anyone?

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                        • #32
                          Originally posted by Equibrit View Post
                          If you would not say it in person to those involved, then do not type it on a BB.
                          That is such a good rule of thumb!

                          Yet so rarely used.

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                          • #33
                            Originally posted by SwampYankee View Post
                            And I am certainly not throwing a "temper tantrum." I come here to learn. And boy, have I learned A LOT!!
                            'Tis a fine line, that between "thought-provoking" and "pot-stirring".

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                            • #34
                              I think the mods here do a really good job overall.

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                              • #35
                                Originally posted by SwampYankee View Post

                                With respect to the AT thread, since the news broke on that in the mainstream media, not COTH, I'm sure it's being discussed in depth in every event barn in the country--I cannot imagine a scenario by which any next of kin of the decedent could SUE someone for that. This BB like many others is, in effect, a virtual back porch where we all come to find out what's going on out there among other riders and what our peers are thinking about it.
                                And every event barn owner has the right to walk into that conversation and say "That conversation isn't appropriate here. If you want to talk about that, go grab a beer at the local and have at it".
                                "Aye God, Woodrow..."

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                                  #36
                                  Originally posted by Heinz 57 View Post
                                  'Tis a fine line, that between "thought-provoking" and "pot-stirring".
                                  So where would you draw the line between one and the other? I suspect each of us would draw it in a different place.

                                  What I would consider "pot stirring" is if someone went on the Eventing board and said "3-Day is a cruel and archaic form of horse abuse and should be shut down." That would be my definition of trolling, because you already know what you're going to get. Yet no one disagrees when pretty much everyone has exactly that opinion when speaking of the TWH "Big Lick" style.

                                  Let's talk reasonably here and now about how to draw the line of legitimacy. I want to talk about this for the BENEFIT of the mods, so they don't have so much whipping-off to do when we go on a "riot!"

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                                  • #37
                                    Originally posted by SwampYankee View Post

                                    With respect to the AT thread, since the news broke on that in the mainstream media, not COTH, I'm sure it's being discussed in depth in every event barn in the country--I cannot imagine a scenario by which any next of kin of the decedent could SUE someone for that. This BB like many others is, in effect, a virtual back porch where we all come to find out what's going on out there among other riders and what our peers are thinking about it.

                                    It's all very weel discussing something on your back porch. Would you have the same discussion in public, in front of AT's mother ?
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                                    • #38


                                      I don't think pretending to help the mods learn how to moderate Coth more to anyone's particular liking is going to work.
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                                      • #39
                                        Originally posted by SwampYankee View Post
                                        With respect to the AT thread, since the news broke on that in the mainstream media, not COTH, I'm sure it's being discussed in depth in every event barn in the country--I cannot imagine a scenario by which any next of kin of the decedent could SUE someone for that.
                                        Those conversations are probably not being carried on in front of friends or relatives of the deceased.

                                        It's not always a question of legality. Sometimes it's an issue of decency.

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                                        • #40
                                          I am fine with the moderation here.

                                          I'd also suggest that the Ignore Button is your friend. If another poster is really annoying, just place them on ignore. I have done this with a couple of people and I no longer have to see their posts.
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