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  • #41
    Originally posted by nylonalter View Post
    Yes she is helping. She found only one. He needs more training.
    Seek out local ATRA chapters or members.

    Take a weekend and hang out at a local horseman's camp or popular trail head. Talk to the people there riding. If you've got a privately owned horseman's camp near you, give them a call and ask.

    Seek out local endurance riders/ competitive trail riders and their clubs/events.

    Ask your vet and farrier.

    Unless your trainer deals specifically in trail horses she's probably not looking in the right places. If she does mostly show horses expecting her to turn up a real, finished, ready-to-go trail horse is like expecting a dressage trainer to turn you on to a finished barrel horse. In the show world, "trail horses" more times than not are show horses that have been retired for whatever reason and just do light hacks down the little path through the trees behind the barn. Hence the reason they always need some training to become a tried-and-true trail horse.

    There is a HUGE difference between a career trail horse and a horse that has been retired from the arena to trails for whatever reason.

    If you are wanting a career trail horse, you need to be looking to people that actually spend most of their time riding trails to find one.

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    • #42
      A rodeo is the Red Lobster on Mother's Day

      I just love this! FWIW I adopted my QH mare and have had to work out the rough edges but I really enjoy her now...Good Luck!

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      • #43
        http://www.dreamhorse.com/show_horse...rse_id=1798818

        like this guy! I can't remember where you are, but I just typed in washington. If you are in canada, you might want to consider canadiens, have heard wonderful things about them. A girl on another forum, a beginner, just bought one, very gentle and a great trail guy!
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        • #44
          So OP you are still working with the same trainer who for two years couldn't get you and your horse's issues fixed, and kept telling you he needed more training?

          I am so glad you sent the horse back. But I am afraid that if you keep working with this trainer and searching for certain breeds and are adamant about not having a "dead trail horse" that you will end up in a similar situation.

          Find a different trainer, take some lessons, THEN start horse shopping. Asking what breeds to run away from? Right now, all of them. IMO you do not need a horse at the moment. You need to invest in your riding education with someone who won't string you along. The fact that your trainer has found ONE horse who "needs more training" is a red, waving flag. There are so, SO many horses out there. Unless you literally live on an island, there are sound, sane, trail-safe horses all across the country needing homes for one reason or another at reasonable prices. I could find you ten in my area in about five minutes, so either your trainer isn't looking hard enough or you have given her a list of what you want that is ridiculous and impossible to find.

          Seriously. Find a new trainer, take some lessons, THEN horse shop. You'll be glad you did.
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          • #45
            I think you need to tell us more about yourself.

            What region of the country are you in?

            What discipline does your trainer ride? Hunt Seat, Dressage, Eventing, Western Pleasure? Do you take regular lessons from her in a discipline?

            How long have you been riding?

            It's hard to give advice when the details are so vague ... you say there aren't many types of horses where you are, the trainer can only find one (!) trail horse that's not trained ... that sounds strange unless you live on a carribean island or something.

            Your trainer does sound like a bit of a problem. Find someone else. I also agree with runNjump, I think lessons and some re-evaluating of your abilities and goals are in order, rather than horse shopping. The problem with letting a person like your trainer find a horse is they don't seem to have your best interests at heart.

            I don't think anyone is trying to be mean, but sometimes you have to take a look at your own abilities and goals before you can fix a horse problem.

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            • #46
              Another thing you need to realize if your trainer keeps coming up with these "needs more training" trail horses, is that when it comes to trail horses there is no substitute for wet saddle blankets. You can only do so much of it in the arena because you simply just cannot recreate the trail experience from the confines of the rail. You can train them under saddle, you can desensitize to an array of stimuli, you can teach the horse to spook in place, but after that the horse needs miles. Lots and lots of trail miles. Yep, some horses will take to it faster than others and there are some horses out there that seem to be natural-born trail machines but even those types still need lots of MILES to be considered a dependable trail mount.

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              • #47
                Originally posted by GaitedGloryRider View Post
                Another thing you need to realize if your trainer keeps coming up with these "needs more training" trail horses, is that when it comes to trail horses there is no substitute for wet saddle blankets. You can only do so much of it in the arena because you simply just cannot recreate the trail experience from the confines of the rail. You can train them under saddle, you can desensitize to an array of stimuli, you can teach the horse to spook in place, but after that the horse needs miles. Lots and lots of trail miles. Yep, some horses will take to it faster than others and there are some horses out there that seem to be natural-born trail machines but even those types still need lots of MILES to be considered a dependable trail mount.
                Very true.

                I had a great QH when I got her she was already trail trained. I lost her and had to start riding my TB/Appy - he was a nut. I was so sad I never would have another great trail horse like my QH. Rode TB/Appy on many exciting trail rides; years later he was the best trail horse around. Then losing him to age thinking I will never have a great trail horse like my TB/Appy. Riding my current horse wondering how I am going to make a good trail horse out of him (he is 13 and pretty much only arena trained) I remembered how awful my TB/Appy was when I started him.... keeps me putting those dry saddle blankets on him every day
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                • #48
                  Originally posted by nylonalter View Post
                  Yes she is helping. She found only one. He needs more training.
                  Did she elaborate at all? Did she say what holes she perceived in his training that would need to be addressed?

                  I bet you're a little wary at this point of buying another horse who may not work out after you put more training dollars into him. And I agree that the safest course is to look for a horse who's already doing the job you want him to do.

                  But depending on how specific your requirements are, those aren't always easy to find. Sometimes you have to plane off a few rough edges.

                  Do you have access to other RIs/trainers in your area? It might not hurt to just have a lesson or two with someone else - preferably someone who also trains horses- to get a fresh perspective on your riding and what sort of horse might be a good match for you. If after a lesson or two you don't think it's helpful you don't have to continue.
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                  • #49
                    Originally posted by saddleup View Post
                    I count on him to alert me to conditions ahead (moose, elk herds, bike riders, even a flasher in the bushes ahead)...and I count on his level head to get me out of the occasional sticky situation.
                    Now there's a story I've got to hear.

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                    • #50
                      OP - This may not be possible where you are but it is done where I live so it might be worth your looking into: we have lots of horse-back riding camps for kids/teens within 1-2 hours of us. The best camps value their experienced horses and don't want to sell them and start over next year. So they let area riders "lease" them from about October-May (I believe free but you pay feed/farrier/maintenance costs while you have them). It works great in our area because the summer gets hot and people travel, so a few months without a horse to care for isn't a bad thing for some people. Anyway, the horses are trained for the trail and are experienced, healthy and sane. A friend got a little arab gelding this way and he was great.
                      Like I say you may not have access to this kind of thing but it wouldn't hurt to look.

                      PS Read GaitedGloryRider's posts again - everything she/he said makes sense but especially about your current trainer helping you search for something she may not have deep knowledge about, and the difference between "retired to trail" and "career trail horse." You want the latter!
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                      • #51
                        Mayhew, I was in the foothills not too far from my house, just riding along with my two friends, all of us on seasoned trail horses. Suddenly my gelding stopped dead in his tracks, on full alert, staring at this cluster of trees and bushes to the right of the trail. We all were shocked when this guy jumped out, buck naked. I said a loud "Ewwwwww!!!" and we did a quick 180 group turn and loped back the way we came.

                        What if our horses hadn't warned us that there was a naked man in the bushes?We would have ridden right next to him.

                        Gives me the creeps even now, and it's been over two years since it happened.

                        Like I said, I count on him to keep me posted on trail hazards!

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                        • #52
                          Q: What's the definition of a good riding horse?

                          A: One who is ridden.

                          As someone pointed out, there are horses who go trail riding and there are trail riding horses. Which do you want?

                          There is a difference between the all around horse who will happily pack you on the trail for a couple of hours and do a low level 3 day event the next weekend and a horse who will pack you into the wilderness overnight after not being ridden for 3 weeks.

                          I have a 3 yr old Trakehner I take out into the National Forest on her own. She does it all on the buckle; picking through fallen timber, crossing water, meandering through wide open meadows and creepily quiet spruce stands. Is she a trail horse? No. But after this first year, she'll have the foundation to be a superb all rounder.

                          The brain is everything but it *must* be backed up by wet saddle blankets and that takes time and you should be prepared to pay for it.
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                            #53
                            Originally posted by nylonalter View Post
                            Yes she is helping. She found only one. He needs more training.
                            She found one. That means I am to buy this one. I was born at night. I was not born last night. My brain works better than my mouth.

                            Old trainers have not done well choosing my horses. I did not do well either. Maybe I should rent a horse.

                            I am near the Ohio River. I do not want to say more than that. I have ridden for 10+ years. I started young then had a family. I am riding again now. This trainer rides everything-western, dressage, hunter. I am just working to now find something else to ride. I lesson with someone but not in trail riding.

                            I ask my friends near here to help me find a trail horse. I do not mind color or breed or sex. I will ride it on trails before I buy.

                            I have not ridden many Arabs. Information is good, please.
                            Last edited by nylonalter; Jun. 19, 2012, 07:47 PM.

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                            • #54
                              OK, so I guess I completely misunderstood.

                              I thought you meant the trainer was only able to locate one possible candidate. But now it sounds as though she has made her choice and expects you to buy that one.

                              I also didn't understand that this trainer is apparently not your instructor. Could your instructor help you find a horse?
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                                #55
                                Originally posted by pAin't_Misbehavin' View Post
                                But now it sounds as though she has made her choice and expects you to buy that one.

                                I also didn't understand that this trainer is apparently not your instructor. Could your instructor help you find a horse?
                                She did not choose. Choosing means she thought about several horses. Perhaps she rode one or two. This did not take place.

                                I thank this trainer. Perhaps I seem angry. I do not think I want a QH. I might need this QH. I will find out.

                                My instructor does not find trail horses. My instructor finds only horses. The horses might go on the trail. They might leave you on the trail.

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                                • #56
                                  Sent you a PM, I might be in your area and able to turn you on to some suitable candidates.

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                                  • #57
                                    Originally posted by nylonalter View Post
                                    I have not ridden many Arabs. Information is good, please.
                                    I know a lot of people who trail ride Arabians and love them.

                                    I think Arabs work out best for hyperactive sunny optimists - the sort of riders who want to ride lots of miles almost every day, and who laugh at situations that give more cautious riders pause.

                                    Arabs seem to get very bonded to their people, which is one of their more endearing traits. But the flip side of that is they tend to be sensitive souls - IOW, I think Arabs do best with a rider who radiates confidence, because they are finely tuned to their rider's emotions.

                                    I love the Arabians I know but I love them from the ground. They don't really suit me as a trail mount. But they sure suit lots of other people.
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                                    • #58
                                      I really feel people need to be more skeptical of the title "trainer" and what that means. That's all I have to say about that, as Forrest Gump said.

                                      As for Arabians, I have trained and ridden them most of my life. I get them, but they can go into a panic state over stuff. So if you don't like a reactive horse, they aren't for you.

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                                      • #59
                                        Honestly if trail riding is what you want to do, and you're only interested in small shows, or not showing at all I think it would do you a world of good to connect with other trail riders in your area. If this is your first foray into trail riding you'll find it's a whole 'nuther world from the show barns, the show crowd and the show scene in general.

                                        The best place to find and connect with other trail riders is on the trail of course. We tend to be a vagabond bunch of ramblers, not congregating at big barns or under the guidance of popular trainers. No invitation needed and you can just show up with or without a horse. I've come across all sorts of people at camp to just shop for a horse, people curious about what trail riding has to offer and wanting to see what horse camp is like before taking the plunge and non-riders just wanting to enjoy a great time and see the horses. At horseman's camps it's pretty common to welcome strangers with open arms. I've walked through a camp where I didn't know a soul and gotten invitations to join groups for dinner, join families on a trail ride or just pull up a chair around the fire and crack open a beer. Back when I first started trail riding I didn't have any friends to go with. Every trip I went on by myself whether it was a day ride or weekend trip I'd make new friends and come home with offers to meet back up with those I'd met at new places without even trying. It's just a nice, friendly bunch of people out there. I met my best friend on a trail ride, she met her husband on a trail ride, we've met many other friends on subsequent rides and our group just keeps growing and growing.

                                        I don't know how "in to" trail riding you're wanting to get, a weekend rider? Local riding? Camping trips? Traveling across the state or country on big trips? If you want to compete there is competitive trail, endurance, mounted orienteering and all sorts of other fun stuff to get involved in. If you're just wanting to enjoy the scenery that's all good too and once you get the ball rolling you'll be amazed at all the places there are to ride.

                                        You might find the Trail Rider magazine to be a good resource: http://www.equisearch.com/magazines/the-trail-rider/

                                        Great place to find tips, places to ride, tack reviews, camps, trail heads, clubs and events all across the country.

                                        If this is really what you want to do don't be afraid to break free from what you've been doing and just put yourself out there. It's a laid-back, friendly bunch of people and you'll get welcomed into the fold with open arms.

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                                          #60
                                          I could not ride with other horses on my ASB. So I have no trail friends. If I go to a ride and have no horse how can I get friends? Should I bring a dog?

                                          Kwill I understand what you say. For the time I needed help she was there. I did ask friends about her. I watched her work. This was not a Craigslist trainer. She could not fix him. She did help. That is why I am looking for other horses.

                                          Thank you everyone.

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