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  • #41
    IMHO religion and politics do NOT belong in any sort of business setting, unless of course it's a religious or political type business (which is not the case in this thread). That said, all employees will have their own personal views. If you don't want to know one's personal views, don't add their personal Facebook page, which is a legitimate outlet for ones beliefs.
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    • #42
      I feel that professionals should have a "professional" account on facebook under a company name or whatnot and those postings should always be business related.

      If adding a personal account, then do so at your own risk, I say.

      As for in person conversations, if it is getting uncomfortable, just try and change the conversation. Silence works too. I guess I try and just talk horses or hooves or whatever and the conversations usually don't stray too far!
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      • #43
        I don't chew off people's ears with politics and religion, and I appreciate my professionals for not doing it to me. The horse professionals usually have enough horse talk to engage in. I deliberately remain quiet while they are working. If they wish to talk horses, they do. If not, it is pleasantly quiet.

        I will say we have a very nice Christian girl at the barn who had a habit of engaging vets, farriers and dentists in religious conversation in an attempt to convert them to her way of thinking. All were polite, but the dentist took it a step further when he began talking back to her about when the world revolved around the mother god and all was peaceful and well, then the male dominated religions came about by supplanting the peaceful bountiful mother god (citing historical and mythological references, etc etc etc) and thus brought about all of the madness and mayhem today. I was ready to flee the barn after 5 minutes of this, because I know how intelligent this man is and I could tell she was in for one heck of a talking to. It went on and on for 45 solid minutes, with him reciting chapter and verse the whole way. Her young daughter whom she home schools was right there, so I could see she couldn't respond in the way she wanted to, and the kid was wide-eyed at this take on the religious world, which was just gushing out of this guy's mouth.

        She has never brought it up again in the barn. Amen.
        Last edited by Chief2; Jun. 14, 2012, 05:38 PM.
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        • #44
          Originally posted by KSAQHA View Post
          Seriously? You're paid to provide services for a customer, then start making selfish requests, because something offends your political proclivities? Wow, mighty presumptuous. Can't help but wonder if the woman may have been privately just as happy for you to get out of there, as well. I know I would have been...and I wouldn't have turned down the radio, either. My barn...my rules.
          If you consider asking someone to not talk racist trash, bigotry, using "n*gger" every other word, and slurs in your presence "selfish" when you are hired to come in a perform a job as a contractor (which a farrier is) selfish, than we'll have to agree to disagree. I find that sort of working environment very very uncomfortable and distasteful and if it was a company/business environment, an employee doing that would not last long. Working on this lady's horses was my JOB and I am no more required to listen to bigotry and disgusting nastiness from my clients while performing my JOB than you are from the people you hire to work for you. Had she refused to let up on the bigoted filth, than my next move was to pack up my tools and leave...sorry so sad...good luck finding another farrier.

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          • #45
            Facebook? Couldn't give a damn, never read it and sure don't care to. It's up their with Twitter...also who gives a hoot about the blatherings of uninteresting people.

            I've never had a farrier or vet speak of religion. I don't care what someone's religion is. If someone brings up politics, I'll try and ignore them unless they get obnoxious...same way with current events...I just ignore their rantings. Can't stand the pamphlet idiots who are 19 and lecturing everyone how things were when they never dealt with anything first hand they're talking about.

            Oh well...I do stop people when they use the word "homophobic" when describing someone who doesn't see homosexuality as something positive. It's not "phobic" to find a behaviour disgusting or not a good thing...it's a difference in values/faith/belief/culture and not a psychological irrational fear or phobia. You can dislike something without fearing it.
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            • #46
              Originally posted by 7HL View Post
              Should Trainers, Farriers, Vets, Horse Professionals keep their personal views to themselves? Specialially in regards to religion and politics?

              Notice many "professionals" that are promoting themselves on social media like Facebook, posting highly charged religious and political views. Some are bigotted, racist, sexist and homophobic.


              Could or would you keep a farrier that is great with your horses that was a bigot?

              How about a Vet that was constantly prostilatizing?

              Personally I believe that a true professional on talks about the subject at hand. I don't want to know their personal views.
              Well yeah, I know some 'Crazy Christian' farriers. And the racism of some folks. Wowza wow !!

              Farriers are the worst, in my experience. Probably because they work themselves to death, in a lot of cases. They are in pain. Tired. Dirty. And have been wrestled with wretched killer beasties all day. So they have a tendency to, um..., vent.

              In my neck of the woods there are lots of gay folks with $$$$$. (Lots of all sorts of folks with $$$) So I have never, ever, heard any anti guy chatter. BNTs would be out some big clients !!

              Sexist, OMG, yes.

              On this topic overall I'll have to say it depends a lot on who you are. I don't take crapola from nobody. So any farrier, vet, etc who knows me will back way down if I pull out my rolled up newspaper and start spanking them. (Ok, some of they like that part.....)

              But I see plenty of folks in the horse business who are just begging for someone to 'lord it over them.' They seem to thrive on indulging super big egos and placating bombastic jerks. I can totally see how someone with an agenda would be on perpetual prowl for those type of people.
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              • #47
                Originally posted by Daydream Believer View Post
                If you consider asking someone to not talk racist trash, bigotry, using "n*gger" every other word, and slurs in your presence "selfish" when you are hired to come in a perform a job as a contractor (which a farrier is) selfish, than we'll have to agree to disagree. I find that sort of working environment very very uncomfortable and distasteful and if it was a company/business environment, an employee doing that would not last long. Working on this lady's horses was my JOB and I am no more required to listen to bigotry and disgusting nastiness from my clients while performing my JOB than you are from the people you hire to work for you. Had she refused to let up on the bigoted filth, than my next move was to pack up my tools and leave...sorry so sad...good luck finding another farrier.
                Now that you've radically altered your original post to back up the above diatribe, what can I say? Because, that's NOT how you portrayed the woman at whatever barn you were working at, it was the political conversation...which, didn't sound like it involved you, anyway...and Rush Limbaugh on the radio you objected to. Obviously, what you are now stating would be offensive to any reasonable person...it's just a wee bit disingenuous you had to change the commentary to justify your arrogance.
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                • #48
                  Originally posted by KSAQHA View Post
                  Now that you've radically altered your original post to back up the above diatribe, what can I say? Because, that's NOT how you portrayed the woman at whatever barn you were working at, it was the political conversation...which, didn't sound like it involved you, anyway...and Rush Limbaugh on the radio you objected to. Obviously, what you are now stating would be offensive to any reasonable person...it's just a wee bit disingenuous you had to change the commentary to justify your arrogance.
                  Maybe you shouldn't be so fast to jump to conclusions before you slam someone or maybe ask for clarification?

                  Go back and reread my first post again. I realize it was in two different paragraphs but in the first part I mentioned about having to listen to racist discussions nasty enough to make me want to take a shower. That was the same place who also had Rush Limbaugh blasting VERY loudly at the same time also spewing hate and nastiness about the upcoming election...this was 2008...African American candidate...racism...get it now? It was overpowering and very unpleasant and when I asked this very bigoted lady to tone done her comments and turn down the radio which she was shouting over, I was trying to salvage the situation or I was going to have to leave and not finish all the horses.

                  I was actually trying to not go into specifics in my first post for a reason...I did not want to go OT as we are now...I did not mean to be intentionally misleading to anyone but after you jumped all over me how you interpreted my actions in that situation, I felt more explanation was called for.

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                  • #49
                    Short answer" "yes", slightly longer answer "HE** YES" - having just had a vet preaching at me because I dont feed a "premium" brand of dog food to my dogs! This is after he complimented me on two of the dogs' stunning coats and bright eyes.
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                    • #50
                      Originally posted by Daydream Believer View Post
                      Go back and reread my first post again.
                      I did reread (especially for comprehension) all three versions...the original, the radically altered, and now the re-edited to its non-radically-altered form. Didn't see a need for clarification until things started being tweaked. Ah, the magic of editing.

                      Originally posted by Daydream Believer View Post
                      I realize it was in two different paragraphs but in the first part I mentioned about having to listen to racist discussions nasty enough to make me want to take a shower. That was the same place who also had Rush Limbaugh blasting VERY loudly at the same time also spewing hate and nastiness about the upcoming election...this was 2008...African American candidate...racism...get it now? It was overpowering and very unpleasant and when I asked this very bigoted lady to tone done her comments and turn down the radio which she was shouting over, I was trying to salvage the situation or I was going to have to leave and not finish all the horses.
                      As I mentioned before, this was not how your post portrayed the woman. If you weren't clear with your original post, so be it...just don't be surprised when someone calls you out on it. FTR, having listened to Rush Limbaugh on occasion...can take or leave him...you're being disingenuous again by implying he's racist and bigoted.

                      Originally posted by Daydream Believer View Post
                      I was actually trying to not go into specifics in my first post for a reason...I did not want to go OT as we are now...I did not mean to be intentionally misleading to anyone but after you jumped all over me how you interpreted my actions in that situation, I felt more explanation was called for.
                      I don't think this off topic at all. You claim to be a 'professional'...as the title of this thread references...I called you out on a post in which I perceived as 'un'-professional behavior. It happens. Now, that you HAVE clarified your story, I'll accept that. Carry on.
                      Is it me or do 99.9% of cowboys just look better with their hats on?
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                      • #51
                        If they want to express their opinion on their own time (Facebook, Twitter, whatever) that's their business. They're as entitled to express their own opinion as anyone else. The fact that they're a professional doesn't mean they're any more "right" in what they believe.

                        But when I'm paying them for their time - a vet visit, a farrier appointment, a riding lesson - I am paying them for their professional expertise, not to hear their opinions on things that have nothing to do with what I am paying them for.
                        Please copy and paste this to your signature if you know someone, or have been affected by someone who needs a smack upside the head. Lets raise awareness.

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                        • #52
                          Originally posted by JollyBadger View Post
                          If they want to express their opinion on their own time (Facebook, Twitter, whatever) that's their business. They're as entitled to express their own opinion as anyone else. The fact that they're a professional doesn't mean they're any more "right" in what they believe.

                          But when I'm paying them for their time - a vet visit, a farrier appointment, a riding lesson - I am paying them for their professional expertise, not to hear their opinions on things that have nothing to do with what I am paying them for.
                          Exactly. But I have to say I read some things online recently that a "professional" posted and was like "WTF" is this person thinking. They sound like a loon! LOL
                          I'm not a CPA.

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                          • #53
                            Lots of businesses around here have religious symbolism, slogans, etc. post in the shop, on bumpers, etc. As a rule, I don't care. I patronize them because they are good at what they do, not how they see divine/spiritual beings.

                            They have a right to express themselves. I have a right to ignore it.

                            G.
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                            • #54
                              Originally posted by KSAQHA View Post
                              I did reread (especially for comprehension) all three versions...the original, the radically altered, and now the re-edited to its non-radically-altered form. Didn't see a need for clarification until things started being tweaked. Ah, the magic of editing.
                              Pardon me but I didn't edit anything. I simply explained and clarified the original post you found so upsetting so you would understand what I meant. If that causes you to get your panties further into a wad, it's not my problem.

                              Carry on indeed.

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                              • #55
                                The thing about horses is that the place that some folks are working (vets, farriers, barn managers) is the place where most everyone else is recreating. And over time, you are going to get an idea where folks stand on many questions.... which is fine. But everyone should refrain from rubbing other folks noses in contentious opinions and conversations that they don't seek out or want to engage in. That's just decent manners, regardless of the presence or absence of horses.

                                I have a number of horsey colleagues who I'm quite certain I strongly disagree with about a BUNCH of things, but I would rather eat a saddle pad than ever discuss those things at the barn. I value the peace and tranquility of that environment too much to let it get riled up by religion and politics.

                                It would be really nice if more people took this approach.... sadly, compulsive proselytizers are often VERY oblivious of the unhappiness of their audiences.
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                                I've found that I don't tolerate people idiosyncrasies as well. - Casey09

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                                • #56
                                  Originally posted by Lori B View Post
                                  I have a number of horsey colleagues who I'm quite certain I strongly disagree with about a BUNCH of things, but I would rather eat a saddle pad than ever discuss those things at the barn. I value the peace and tranquility of that environment too much to let it get riled up by religion and politics.
                                  Exactly. I tend not to talk about this stuff at the barn. Every once in a while I will correct a factual error, but that's it.

                                  I'm Jewish, and was happy when I was warned that one of the teen boarders held rabid anti-Jewish views (actually, they were her father's views, and to this day I am not sure whether she believed any of it, or was just trying to get a rise out of folks, which was one of her favorite hobbies.) BO is pretty strict about prejudice and drama.

                                  At my old barn, during the 2008 election season the BO changed the barn radio to a station that did not accept political ads. Not that anyone was going to get into it about politics, but everyone was sick of the ads. That barn was about 50-50 R vs. D.
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                                  • #57
                                    It goes both ways. I know one BO who had a parent demand she take down a mildly political sign on the first visit because he found it "offensive". Her barn, her property, he was invited to not return if he was that upset by it.

                                    Some people are just way to quick by offended by any little thing.
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                                    • #58
                                      Originally posted by red mares View Post
                                      Some people are just way to quick by offended by any little thing.
                                      Yup.
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                                      • #59
                                        Originally posted by red mares View Post
                                        Some people are just way to quick by offended by any little thing.
                                        It's even worse when people have the expectation that others can and should agree with any opinions, beliefs, or positions that they have about anything and everything. I'm seeing a lot of that with younger people these days who have rose-colored viewpoints about certain things where the reality of matters are completely the opposite of what they think is true.
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