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  • #21
    I try hard not to discuss religion and politics with anyone I don't know very, very well. However, on FB I don't mind a professional making a post here and there that supports causes they believe in (even if I don't share their views). BUT there is a line...I don't want my entire feed filled up with post after post of anything, including something I agree with or support. I will hide you or unfriend you immediately (depending on whether or not we're related ). I've unfriended people for posting and sharing 50 things a day about animal rescues, politics, and random other things that I could care less about and do not want to look at 50x per day.
    Caitlin
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    • #22
      Meh. I have friends from uber conservative to flat out socialists/marxists. I like to hear all sides to every story. Now THEY are the ones to get irritated at me because I'm not falling into their boat without thinking. (As an aside, the liberals tend to get testier with me because I don't agree but I do have some conservs who get annoyed at me also) I think for myself, thank you, after I've heard BOTH sides of a story.

      So, to me, it's almost a non-issue. When a socialist friend starts in on their 'racist, bigoted, homophobic, yada, yada' (overused in my book and about to lose all steam, they've been used so much) rant about conservs, somehow I tend to fall to the opposite side and point out what I see are the holes in the story. When a conserv does the same thing, I fall to the liberal side and point out the holes. I can tell you the libs get way more mad at me than the conservs.

      Everyone who knows me in real life knows I'm conservative with a socialism bend. They also know (the shoer, the vet, my horse buds...) I have no set beliefs in anything because I want to learn all I can and think about what is right for me. So, if the shoer (an example) wants to talk politics, fine. He knows I'll tell him straight up what my views are in regards to, say, the Prez. He expects no less. He can disagree with me, that's fine. The world will keep spinning. If he (example again) asked me to turn down a radio program he didn't like, he can leave and find another client. My barn, my radio.

      So, to me, I don't really care. But do be ready to defend your beliefs when I challenge them...see second paragraph.
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      • #23
        Now here's one for ya . . .

        A number of years ago I had a boarder who had had some problems in her past, went on to "find Jesus" and had become a very in-your-face Evangelical. This in a part of the country where that is not commonplace, and overt expression of it to people of different leanings is considered very gauche indeed. It ramped up slowly for months, and we did the polite-ignoring thing with evasive muttering.

        Well, it came to a head the day she waited until 3 or 4 horses were on the aisle being groomed and tacked up, and she started a big spiel about how if we ALL did not repent of our sins NOW, and commit to her One True Denomination, we would BURN in Hell, etc., etc., ad nauseum.

        I saw one of our Jewish clients turning red as a beet and about to lose it, and I was getting purt' near ready to pop, too--several others giving me The Look--so I took the proselytizer for a walk to the hay barn and told her point blank that we'll each be responsible for our own "sins," thank you, and she's to shut down the revival show here and now because she's making the whole barn uncomfortable. That I didn't want to lose her as a client, but this behavior was becoming a dealbreaker. End of problem; she moved a few months later.

        Weirdly, I think sometimes these people WANT to create a scene so they can be "rejected." Same as those that go door-to-door, many of which get slammed in their faces. It feeds the victimhood status a lot of them have carefully cultivated for years. Just a generalization, don't flame me, but I do think it's just another way people look for attention!

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        • #24
          my vet and farrier and I agree on everything really :> so I've never had that drama

          Tamara
          Production Acres,Pro A Welsh Cobs
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            #25
            We ALL are going to run accross people that we are going to disaggree with.

            Guess the point of my question was should a horse professional keep their mouth shut about certain topics and only discuss the issue at hand, horses?

            On social media I do find it strange that people, professionals, busnesses, will promote themselves on Facebook as an example, then post controversial topics.

            Another example... for a long time many didn't care for the constant talk of religion that John Lyons would do. When he was on RFDTV it was part of his program. Some questioned whether that was why he had a low viewership.
            The ultimate goal of farming is not the growing of crops, but the cultivation and perfection of human beings.

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            • #26
              There is no should. People are free to decide what they want to talk about regardless of their occupation. And people are free to form an opinion about that person based upon what that person feels like talking about.
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              • #27
                I agree with Laurie. If someone wants to spout off about religion or politics to me, they will get the same blank, bored look as anyone else whom I find tedious. If they are good at their job, I will keep using them. If not, the fact that their conversation bores me will contribute to me replacing them but will not the sole reason for it.

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by SwampYankee View Post
                  Well, it came to a head the day she waited until 3 or 4 horses were on the aisle being groomed and tacked up, and she started a big spiel about how if we ALL did not repent of our sins NOW, and commit to her One True Denomination, we would BURN in Hell, etc., etc., ad nauseum.

                  I saw one of our Jewish clients turning red as a beet and about to lose it, and I was getting purt' near ready to pop, too--several others giving me The Look--so I took the proselytizer for a walk to the hay barn and told her point blank that we'll each be responsible for our own "sins," thank you, and she's to shut down the revival show here and now because she's making the whole barn uncomfortable. That I didn't want to lose her as a client, but this behavior was becoming a dealbreaker. End of problem; she moved a few months later.
                  People like that, I make the sign of the cross over, bless them in Latin, and tell them to repent and return to the Gospel, heretics. Hacks them off to NO END but it's funny....

                  Seriously, I think businesses are best served keeping that sort of thing to a minimum if they're genuinely interested in keeping a broad spectrum of clients. Personal Facebooks should be kept separate from Professional Facebooks.
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                  • #29
                    Meh. I don't really care if people are open about their political views. That said, I'm pretty good at shutting down political discussions that I don't want to have. I usually just say, "yeah, I don't really discuss politics" or if we really disagree on something and I don't want to get into a heated discussion, I laugh and say, "yeah, we completely disagree on this topic...probably best we don't discuss it!" I've never really had anyone persist after I say one of those two things.

                    As far as political views on Facebook? Doesn't bother me. I've got friends with all different political leanings. My trainer and barn owner are both very conservative. I'm not. Whatever. Doesn't affect a single thing about our relationships as far as I am concerned. If someone was posting totally bigoted stuff on Facebook? I would just unfriend them there so that I didn't have to see it. It's a social network, after all.

                    But hey, I'm a lawyer. People around my office practically walk around with blowhorns broadcasting their political views, lol! Maybe I'm just used to it.

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                    • #30
                      wanna get booted from my FB as a " horse professional" say something like this....

                      3am ....oh my god the band is so f###ing loud and we are sooooooooooooooo drunk and Sabrina just flashed her tits at the drummer....I'm gonna feel,like s### at the show tomorrow

                      that show where,by the way,at least five parents of novice/ beginner riders are paying your stupid butt to take care of their kids.... line up at 7am



                      Religion and politics got nothing on that in my mind

                      Tamara
                      Production Acres,Pro A Welsh Cobs
                      I am one of the last 210,000 remaining full time farmers in America.We feed the others.

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                      • #31
                        Originally posted by 7HL View Post
                        Guess the point of my question was should a horse professional keep their mouth shut about certain topics and only discuss the issue at hand, horses?
                        It really depends on the professional and the client. Generally speaking, I would say no because folks are free to hire and fire whom they choose.

                        With regard to politics, religion, and other subjects that touch on core values, you basically have two types of people: people who aren't threatened by opposing view points and people who take great offense at opposing view points.

                        The first type of person, whether you agree with them or not, are usually capable of participating in a calm, intellectual discussion. Disagreeing with them is not an issue. If anything, it makes the conversation more interesting and thought-provoking.

                        The second type of person tends to be more like Jekyll & Hyde. If you agree with them, everything is wonderful. If you disagree, you may find yourself on the receiving end of some very nasty name-calling and personal attacks.

                        If the professional and client are both of the first type, there's no issue in discussing topics beyond horses. If they're the second type, the only safe topic is horses. But if you don't like what you hear, you don't have to hire that professional or work for that client. I tend to keep the second type of people at arms length whether I agree with them or not because, if and when they start acting like an ass, I don't want to be associated.
                        "I did know once, only I've sort of forgotten." - Winnie the Pooh

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                        • #32
                          Originally posted by SwampYankee View Post
                          A number of years ago I had a boarder who had had some problems in her past, went on to "find Jesus" and had become a very in-your-face Evangelical. This in a part of the country where that is not commonplace, and overt expression of it to people of different leanings is considered very gauche indeed. It ramped up slowly for months, and we did the polite-ignoring thing with evasive muttering.

                          Well, it came to a head the day she waited until 3 or 4 horses were on the aisle being groomed and tacked up, and she started a big spiel about how if we ALL did not repent of our sins NOW, and commit to her One True Denomination, we would BURN in Hell, etc., etc., ad nauseum.

                          I saw one of our Jewish clients turning red as a beet and about to lose it, and I was getting purt' near ready to pop, too--several others giving me The Look--so I took the proselytizer for a walk to the hay barn and told her point blank that we'll each be responsible for our own "sins," thank you, and she's to shut down the revival show here and now because she's making the whole barn uncomfortable. That I didn't want to lose her as a client, but this behavior was becoming a dealbreaker. End of problem; she moved a few months later.

                          Weirdly, I think sometimes these people WANT to create a scene so they can be "rejected." Same as those that go door-to-door, many of which get slammed in their faces. It feeds the victimhood status a lot of them have carefully cultivated for years. Just a generalization, don't flame me, but I do think it's just another way people look for attention!
                          :slaps forehead with palm:
                          I think you are on to something!

                          (but heck, even here in the bible belt your gal would have stood out like a sore thumb...)

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                          • #33
                            Originally posted by 7HL View Post
                            Guess the point of my question was should a horse professional keep their mouth shut about certain topics and only discuss the issue at hand, horses?
                            I agree that it depends. As a trimmer who sometimes spends HOURS in the barn with the same people trimming a number of horses, it would be awfully dull if you couldn't or shouldn't talk about anything but horses. Often horses are the subject of course due to the nature of the work but this year in particular, politics and the upcoming presidential election following a very interesting primary race is a popular topic. Again, if people can talk about such topics respectfully as adults, I have no problem sharing my views.

                            I've discussed all sorts of things with clients ranging from family news, local horse community news, vacations, politics, and even religion with one evangelical client...and generally enjoy doing so. I think it just depends on each situation and individual.

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                            • #34
                              Originally posted by Tamara in TN View Post
                              wanna get booted from my FB as a " horse professional" say something like this....

                              3am ....oh my god the band is so f###ing loud and we are sooooooooooooooo drunk and Sabrina just flashed her tits at the drummer....I'm gonna feel,like s### at the show tomorrow


                              that show where,by the way,at least five parents of novice/ beginner riders are paying your stupid butt to take care of their kids.... line up at 7am



                              Religion and politics got nothing on that in my mind

                              Tamara
                              Oh my!
                              "If you think nobody cares about you, try missing a couple payments..."

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                              • #35
                                Well, maybe the ferrier (the boat guy, not a typo) from Outlaw Josey Wales had the best take on it: 'In my line of work you have to be able to sing Dixie and the Battle Hymn of the Republic with equal enthusiasm'

                                General rule of thumb:
                                The three topics to avoid: Politics, Religion and her
                                Last edited by Alagirl; Jun. 14, 2012, 02:25 PM. Reason: shpelling

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                                • #36
                                  I think it's really unprofessional for a business or service provider to let their personal views be broadcast. There's a farm I follow on fb that does this- it's as though her farm and personal fb pages are the same, which is weird. I often wonder what the barn owner would think if I drove up to check out a sales horse and had opposite viewpoint bumperstickers all over my car- wonder if they'd be more inclined to negotiate with someone who broadcasted the same views instead?? Entirely speculation, of course, and not just because I'm not looking at horses for sale, or because I am adamantly opposed to political bumper stickers!

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                                  • #37
                                    Originally posted by Tamara in TN View Post
                                    wanna get booted from my FB as a " horse professional" say something like this....




                                    that show where,by the way,at least five parents of novice/ beginner riders are paying your stupid butt to take care of their kids.... line up at 7am



                                    Religion and politics got nothing on that in my mind

                                    Tamara
                                    Yeah, that would be a big problem for me too.

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                                    • #38
                                      It's one thing if you are having a lively discussion while they are tending to your horse.. I don't mind different political views as that is one of the things that makes this country great- to exchange thoughts/ideas and perhaps learn from one another - it doesn't mean you have to agree 100%. I don't think it's professional to have these kinds of conversations but I can see where it might come up.especially in an election year. The other things its the same thing; but if they are talented professionals and you like the way they service your horse - you have a choice - either you ask them to keep those opinions to themselves /change the subject. I would not put any weight on what they may or may not say/post on/in social media.

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                                      • #39
                                        Originally posted by Daydream Believer View Post
                                        If you can't just ignore someone or walk away, just let them know nicely that they are offending you and that you'd rather not discuss a certain topic. That is what I had to do back in 2008 at that one barn is to please ask for a halt to all political discussions and to turn off Rush Limbaugh's programs while I was there. She did comply and tuned it down a good deal but I sure was happy to finish her barn and get out of there.
                                        Seriously? You're paid to provide services for a customer, then start making selfish requests, because something offends your political proclivities? Wow, mighty presumptuous. Can't help but wonder if the woman may have been privately just as happy for you to get out of there, as well. I know I would have been...and I wouldn't have turned down the radio, either. My barn...my rules.
                                        Is it me or do 99.9% of cowboys just look better with their hats on?
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                                        • #40
                                          I personally think that professionals need to be very careful what they post online. I can think of a few people who have posted things that have cast them in a very unfavorable light.
                                          isn't that, like, everyone? aren't we all "professionals" in some way, or at least at some times of the day?

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