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I have no words [the 1,001st reason kids must be watched while at the barn]

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  • #21
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    • #22
      Originally posted by Kate66 View Post
      Wow, so it was actually on THEIR own property.

      I can see that the father 1) would have been tied up and not watching the girl if he was shoeing a horse and 2) would have not felt overly alarmed at letting his daughter go and feed the chickens on their own property and with her brother.

      You have to think that, if true, this is not the 1st time this guy has molested some innocent kid.
      Yeah, but it's definitely the last.
      In loving memory of Laura Jahnke.
      A life lived by example, done too soon.
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      • #23
        Amazing how different the stories are between KHOU and CNN. KHou says that the little girl went with her brother to feed the chickens and then the guy caught them behind the barn whereas CNN says that the little girl was in the house while there was a family gathering. End result is the same though.

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        • #24
          Originally posted by Kate66 View Post
          Amazing how different the stories are between KHOU and CNN. KHou says that the little girl went with her brother to feed the chickens and then the guy caught them behind the barn whereas CNN says that the little girl was in the house while there was a family gathering. End result is the same though.
          Yes, but if the story changes from a barn, it is not horse related any more.

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          • #25
            Grand jury probably will, and should, no bill the case. Then end of criminal case.

            The the dead guy's family will probably sue the father. Jury will give them $1.

            That's how it's done in my state. And that is justice. Well, justice would be the dead guy rotting in hell.

            And to keep this horse-related, when kids were left at dark at the commercial barn where I boarded, i told them to run into Cloudy's stall. He wouldn't let anyone touch those kids who loved him. When I would be at the barn when BO and staff left the daycare kids there alone, I'd stay until their parents got there or I'd take them home. Those kids, when alone, were scared to stay there.

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            • #26
              One of our Pony Club policies was not to let anybody get in a compromising position, for the child or parent, whether male or female. Never to have them be alone and that included transporting horses etc.
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              • #27
                Strange article. They called the guy that died, the victim.
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                • #28
                  Originally posted by Equibrit View Post
                  Strange article. They called the guy that died, the victim.
                  Well, he clearly is the victim.
                  If he had not died he would be the alleged molester.

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                  • #29
                    The kid would be the victim, the guy that died got what he deserved.
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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by Equibrit View Post
                      The kid would be the victim, the guy that died got what he deserved.
                      Not going to split hairs here.
                      The guy is dead (however much he deserved it) the girl is not.

                      I did not read the articles, and from what I gather they are the usual mess all around...

                      The guy is the victim of the beating...
                      The girl, well, she is the victim of assault and having to witness her father killing a person.
                      True, she is victimized as well, twice.

                      And for what it is worth, I am also discussing this - sort of - with a bunch of Martial Arts guys.....

                      Yes, 9.9/10 of those guys are for the actions taken. But still...aside from the blessing of young age, what will the girl take from this?


                      (and, on a vague related side note: the alleged molester's MO is/was rather unusual....generally they groom their victims, not violate them in front of their family...)

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                      • #31
                        Originally posted by Alagirl View Post
                        Not going to split hairs here.
                        The guy is dead (however much he deserved it) the girl is not.

                        I did not read the articles, and from what I gather they are the usual mess all around...

                        The guy is the victim of the beating...
                        The girl, well, she is the victim of assault and having to witness her father killing a person.
                        True, she is victimized as well, twice.

                        And for what it is worth, I am also discussing this - sort of - with a bunch of Martial Arts guys.....

                        Yes, 9.9/10 of those guys are for the actions taken. But still...aside from the blessing of young age, what will the girl take from this?


                        (and, on a vague related side note: the alleged molester's MO is/was rather unusual....generally they groom their victims, not violate them in front of their family...)
                        One article said he was there to help care for horses, leaving us to believe he knew the family. If he did know the family and had been working at the barn before this incident, he was probably watching the girl for a while. Also, many sexual predators are opportunists and will take an "easy" target even if there is no prior knowledge or contact.

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                        • #32
                          If it was their own property that this happened on, absolutely nothing will happen to the father. In Texas there is the "Castle Law", basically if you fear for someone's life while on your property you are authorized to use lethal force with no consequences. If this was my child I would have torn him apart with my bare hands. If my fiance had gotten hold of him...he would have wished it was me (Mama Bear) that caught him. He would have had a long time to regret his actions if my dear soon to be husband found that going on. I can't fault the father for hitting the guy, and repeated blows to the head in the right place can very easily kill someone. I just hope the poor girl is able to cope with what happened to her.

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                          • #33
                            It's a blessing that she's so young, and that she won't be further subjected to the attentions of her abuser. Some of these child abuse cases go on for years, with no one the wiser.

                            I would be willing to bet that the grand jury no-bills the case as well. Texans take this stuff seriously.
                            In loving memory of Laura Jahnke.
                            A life lived by example, done too soon.
                            www.caringbridge.org/page/laurajahnke/

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                            • #34
                              Long ago, I remember watching an interview with a well known attorney
                              Jerry...? He wore a fringed buckskin jacket..

                              When asked in what manner southern or "country" juries differed from metropolitan juries (in murder trials) he said(I am paraphrasing);
                              In the country there are two questions, did the murdered person deserve to die, and if so, did the right person kill him?

                              If the answer is yes, to both questions, the jury votes not guilty.

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                              • #35
                                You're thinking of Gerry Spence, who won the suit against Kerr-McGee filed by the family of Karen Silkwood.
                                In loving memory of Laura Jahnke.
                                A life lived by example, done too soon.
                                www.caringbridge.org/page/laurajahnke/

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                                • #36
                                  Yes, that was him. Sorry I misspelled his name.

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                                  • #37
                                    Originally posted by Whitfield Farm Hanoverians View Post
                                    Now if we could just do the same to animal abusers!
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                                    • #38
                                      Father will not be charged.

                                      http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/...her_s.Justice/

                                      Justice is served.

                                      I LOVE living in Texas.
                                      In loving memory of Laura Jahnke.
                                      A life lived by example, done too soon.
                                      www.caringbridge.org/page/laurajahnke/

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                                      • #39
                                        This is horse related, children should never be left alone at a barn. The barn where I am has many people watching out for the children-me included-and farm hands have been "let go" many years ago for even a sideways look at children.

                                        I did read the CNN article and the father is not being charged by the grand jury-case closed father caught him in the act. How would I react, who knows but yes, I could see myself killing someone for that but I am always suspicious of people I don't know.

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                                        • #40
                                          I was extremely happy to read that the father would not be charged. God Bless Texas!

                                          The man who was attempting to violate a 5 year old was hired help on the farm. I refuse to think of that piece of refuse as a 'victim'. The wee girl was the victim.

                                          As for any emotional consequences from watching daddy smack the b***ard around, I think she'll remember that Daddy protected her from a monster. She may suffer from a ramped sense of 'stranger-danger' for a while, but I don't see much wrong with that the way things are.

                                          My husband and I discussed this, and he said, 'If I ever caught somebody doing that to either of our girls, damn right I'd have hit him.' I told him that was the difference betwist he and me, 'cause I'd have killed him, revived him, and killed him again. Just the THOUGHT of it happening gets my heart pounding. Talk about a parent's nightmare!

                                          I say, 'Bravo'. As someone else said, this guy may have molested other kids. Dad just insured he'd molested his LAST one.

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