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Tennessee Walking Horse Soring Issue *Update post 1*

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  • Originally posted by Lady Eboshi View Post
    Sounds to me like we need to get to the judges who keep rewarding all this extreme front-end "action."

    I think that is/are the rule changes TWHBEA needs to enact/adopt. Specially if TWHBEA is going to be recognizing champions of these show organizations on their registry. TWHBEA needs to set a standard that no judge or official on any show "card" will be permitted to have HPA violations r/t soring, scars etc. And NO trainer or owner with any HPA suspension shall be permitted show privileges.

    Then I think there should be established a show division that is brave enough to operate without DQP. And those that know HPA know that there is no requirement to have DQP to show a gaited horse or any horse. Remember, "HPA applies to ALL horses?" Well the entire HPA HIO Certification process is done entirely to protect the show entities from being held liable if violations of HPA are found on the premises. Operating without a sanctioned HIO will invite USDA onto the premises.

    Well I say it is time for a gathering of Gaiters to form a Horseman's association that is TWHBEA USEF etc accepted, that places values on the natural un-enhanced work these horses can do. One that does not judge a waving foot to be the ultimate achievement of a horse and rider.

    ANyone get where I am going with this??? Let this be an organization that requires its "members" to be accepted before they can join. Let the membership be elite.

    Think about it.
    from sunridge1:Go get 'em Roy! Stupid clown shoe nailing, acid pouring bast@rds.it is going to be good until the last drop!Eleneswell, the open trail begged to be used. D Taylor


    • I think that's a great idea!


      • Originally posted by Guilherme View Post

        For many years THE most asked question in TWH Web forums was "how do I get my horse to do a running walk?" The short answer is "get better genes." The longer answer requires about six months of careful, consistent, frequent riding. And even then you'll likely just get an approximation of the running walk.

        The stepping pace, performed by most Walkers, can be a comfortable gait for the human and not harmful to the horse if ridden intelligently. The "ham fisted" rider will quickly wear out their horse (in the short and long term). I guess that's going to be true in any breed or discipline.

        If the devices that make the Big Lick possible are banned then look for a big spike in "dumped" horses. This is an unintended consequence of a ban, but it will be as real and serious as a heart attack. By my rough count in this series of forums there have been over 300 horses in the last 30 days either "free to a good home" or found in conditions of extreme lack of care. That number could increase significantly if devices are banned. This is not an argument to keep the devices. It is an argument to consider all the consequences of governmental action.

        We didn't do that in 1971 when the Free Roaming Wild Horse and Burro Act was passed; now the Government has tens of thousands of horses and burros in pens eating about $50 Million/annum in forage and fodder. We didn't do that when The Red Queen pushed for a ban on transport of horses for slaughter. The anti-slaughter folks didn't consider it's consequences when they drove the legitimate plants our of business. Now private parties are awash in horses they can give away nor properly care for. This leads to the dual consequence of creating criminals and condemning horses to starvation.

        Every action has consequences. Every in-action has consequences. Sadly, the American People seem unable to realistically consider consequences that will be distasteful. We just pretend they won't happen and then ignore them when they do. Or just pass ever more restrictive regulation that amplifies the negative consequences. Sometimes life in the 21st Century is not all that pleasant.

        Some might consider my thoughts an "off topic" digression. They are not. They are a recitation of historical fact. Those who ignore historical fact are condemned to re-experience such fact. So it's about as "on topic" as you can get.


        You can come to Canada and locate TWH breeders and purchase from them. The horses up here do have a very natural running walk with head bob BUT not the extreme and also not that horrible sway..

        Bick Lick has not been allowed since the late 1950's and so no one has bred for it up here.
        The Elephant in the room


        • Originally posted by katarine View Post
          That's another inconvenient truth.

          Some of the sorest horses I've ever seen have been in the flatshod world.


          The flatshod people are a whole different world. MUCH more caring for their horses. MUCH MORE.

          Maybe G the flat shod you have seen are the padded horses gone flat shod?


          • Originally posted by rmh_rider View Post

            The flatshod people are a whole different world. MUCH more caring for their horses. MUCH MORE.

            Maybe G the flat shod you have seen are the padded horses gone flat shod?
            Pssst...she's agreeing with G.


            • I am not agreeing. shhhhhhhh

              I am commenting on what she commented on, in my comment, in the comment section of this comment box.



              • Your agreement is a contradiction of your statement following your agreement.


                • Original Poster

                  the dominos are starting to topple

                  from sunridge1 Go get 'em Roy! Stupid clown shoe nailing, acid pouring bast@rds.


                  • Okay now it's time serve up the owners.


                    • Original Poster

                      Originally posted by sunridge1 View Post
                      Okay now it's time serve up the owners.
                      That would start quite the ripple effect if the deep pockets who pay these felons got charged.
                      from sunridge1 Go get 'em Roy! Stupid clown shoe nailing, acid pouring bast@rds.


                      • Quite a parallel with the showjumper insurance killings of the 80's and 90's, when thugs were faking "colic" and accidental deaths of horses to collect hundreds of thousands for the owners who hid behind their middlemen. Ugh.


                        • Owners should not be allowed to continue to hide behind ignorance. Horses are no longer a tax shelter for the rich. There is little reason to put money into a horse as an owner unless you are involved at some level. If you are involved, you know.


                          • Originally posted by sunridge1 View Post
                            Owners should not be allowed to continue to hide behind ignorance. Horses are no longer a tax shelter for the rich. There is little reason to put money into a horse as an owner unless you are involved at some level. If you are involved, you know.
                            How do you propose to remove this "shield?"

                            Mangalarga Marchador: Uma Raça, Uma Paixão


                            • Originally posted by rmh_rider View Post

                              The flatshod people are a whole different world. MUCH more caring for their horses. MUCH MORE.

                              Maybe G the flat shod you have seen are the padded horses gone flat shod?
                              Say what?


                              • The Cost of “Doin Da Right Thang!”

                                Many have probably heard this religious-philosophical challenge before;

                                “If you were arrested, charged, then put on trial for the Capital Crime of being a Christian, Would there be enough evidence to convict you?”

                                Stop a second a think about that, and its soul searching evaluation of our individual resolves.

                                I now ask you just how strong about an issue are you personally willing to take for standing up for your principles?.

                                Would you risk losing your freedom?, a mate? Your family? How about your job?

                                If your job was on the line and you were given an option to reverse your stance and position of a previous declaration to keep your job ~~ or stick to your guns and lose your job.

                                Which do you think you would do?

                                I am reporting to you what one man has done and what happened to him as a result of his convictions.

                                TWHBEA President Tracy Boyd, is a loyal employee of Baskin-Irby Construction, a roofing specialist Company.

                                His job title is General Manager, some of his duties are sales, customer relations, side trade, which entails gutter and window treatments, down spouts and interior painting as needed.

                                His owner/employer Randall, Sadie and son Roger Baskin are also avid Tennessee Walking Horse enthusiast.

                                In 2002 Mr. Baskin’s stallion “Out on Parole” won the coveted WGC class of the Celebration. In 2011 Randall Baskin also owned a horse named “Mr. Heisman”, which won the Reserve World Grand Championship 4-yr-old 15.2 and under. Both of these horses are Padded and Chained aka Performance Horses.

                                In 2012 Mr. Randall Baskin was a principle in a new group formed call the

                                Tennessee Walking Show Horse Organization (TWSHO).

                                Randall Baskin issued a challenge to match all contributions raised through the Walking Horse Trainer’s Association up to $100,000.

                                This (WHTA) is the same organization that Padded and Chained TWH trainer Larry Whealon was serving on the Ethics Committee before being busted and having 19 horses confiscated by authorities for allegations of horse abuse, and now awaits trial.

                                We all know about President Tracy Boyd’s, May proclamation and his controversial stand to lead the Executive Committee of the TWHBEA Board of Directors to vote in favor of supporting the Whitfield Amendment H.R. 1518 as it was written, only to not be ratified by the full board that were in attendance that day.

                                Sadly, and regrettably a couple days ago Mr. Boyd was terminated from his “Day Job” at Mr. Baskin’s company, reasons given, could be anything, but we all would be safe in speculating the real reason why.

                                Me? I think Mr. Boyd has an excellent Temporal-Proximity Case ~~~

                                “Whatcha talkin bout Preacher?”

                                The 6th Circuit has held that where an adverse employment action occurs very close in time after an employer learns of a protected activity, such temporal proximity between events is significant enough to constitute evidence of a causal connection for the purposes of satisfying a prima facie case of retaliation.”

                                I’d check that out

                                For a long time I have called the PH faction ~ bullies, I stated a few days ago how all this bravado and defiance we are hearing about PH horses wanting to leave TWHBEA and form their own org and the other mess some have heard ~~~~ was all about money.

                                Well what you do about squaring behavior like that is to take money from them ~ legally in a court of law.

                                Mr. Boyd has a family, wife & 10-year-old, 8-year-old and 19 month-old-child, ~~~ today he is without employment,. Yes, millions are out of work, I am not minimizing this fact, but most of the unemployment is due to unforeseen and uncontrollable circumstances. However,

                                Mr. Boyd did not have to be unemployed today if he reversed his position of supporting the Whitfield amendment.

                                I now indict all of the internet scoffers, detractors, and behind the computer screen Judges and critics that scream how they will not join up! Register their horses! Until they've seen proof that TWHBEA truly was making changes for the future.

                                Mr. Boyd has shown you his “HorseFax” ~~~~ Show him yours by joining the organization ~ he put his family in jeopardy to hold his ground.

                                Some folks have led the way, opened the doors for easy access, the next thing is for you to come in, you may have to help clean up, cobwebs, repairing some needed projects, but this is now our clubhouse!

                                I know what that is like with this group, they are nasty people those who make these decisions ~~~

                                I now put the mantel of courage on him, that I feel has earned of my favorite mantras;

                                ~ Dare to be a Daniel
                                ~ Dare to stand alone
                                ~ Dare to have a purpose firm
                                ~ Dare to make it known

                                So I ask “How ya gonna act?”

                                The Preacher


                                • Come on Preacher..... I appreciate the work you are trying to do inside the org. but you are losing me when you start comparing the TWHBEA to Christians or the church.
                                  Groom to trainer: "Where's the glamour? You promised me glamour!"


                                  • CFFarm - What do you think sustained Preacher in this long battle? This glaring light? I think not.

                                    Preacher did not lose me in the analogy. This examples the cost of change and the reason for clinging to the pads and chains by TWHBEA.

                                    It really will come down to $$ and 'purpose firm.'

                                    I am glad you are there, Preacher. It is a story that needs to be told. It is not the last chapter either.

                                    Now, I hope Mr Tracy realizes a bigger purpose in his life and walks with real Kings from this hard day forward.
                                    from sunridge1:Go get 'em Roy! Stupid clown shoe nailing, acid pouring bast@rds.it is going to be good until the last drop!Eleneswell, the open trail begged to be used. D Taylor


                                    • Thank you Hurley!

                                      I re-read it and realized I did not state that Tracy is a born again christian trying to live a righteous life (that is; "Right Living"_or "Living Right") and as

                                      Abraham Lincoln once said "If not for the Bible, we would not know right from wrong"

                                      He and I have spoken of the conviction of his heart because of his faith to no longer deny what he knew to be the truth,

                                      you would not believe how many of these people will stand up right there in the meeting and tell you that they are Christians, but they do not see that they are doing anything wrong..

                                      Enlightenment comes to all of us (most times) at different times and stages of life

                                      Hurley is absolutely right in my family's resolve to give all the glory to God in this and being ridiculed for applying Christian principles to my daily living is part and partial of what motivates me and why

                                      I hope there is enough evidence to convict me of being a Christian if it came down to it!

                                      As for me and my family; We will serve The Lord..and not be ashamed to say it..it goes beyond have a fish symbol on the rear bumper of my car...it is standing up sometimes face to face and speak it despite the consequences


                                      • More arrests in the Wheel on case:


                                        • Originally posted by Guilherme View Post
                                          How do you propose to remove this "shield?"

                                          As far as I'm concerned the "shield" does not exist. If they are involved owners that actually lay hands on their horse and not legally blind, they know but choose to ignore. I do think a savvy prosecutor could prove it in a court of law.