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Tennessee Walking Horse Soring Issue *Update post 1*

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  • Originally posted by Bluey View Post
    Glad to see you are in such illustrious company.
    Not that such was a surprise to anyone here.
    Quoting for posteriors:

    Bluey buys any conspiracy story that fits her scheme.

    Sorry boss (WITW). This will be my last attention to the little eddies that come in the big river that is this thread's good purpose.

    Good move Indiana.
    from sunridge1:Go get 'em Roy! Stupid clown shoe nailing, acid pouring bast@rds.it is going to be good until the last drop!Eleneswell, the open trail begged to be used. D Taylor

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    • Originally posted by hurleycane View Post
      Quoting for posteriors:

      Bluey buys any conspiracy story that fits her scheme.

      Sorry boss (WITW). This will be my last attention to the little eddies that come in the big river that is this thread's good purpose.

      Good move Indiana.
      Some pick and pick and pick, but when they are teased back about their picking, then they bring their shiny haloes out.

      I don't know anything about TWH or that part of the horse industry, but I have to say, it is a snake's den, sure enough.

      I am afraid it is going to take more than some abuse videos to get the heads of the ones that participated for so many years in that cut off.
      They could not possibly have been ignorant of what was going on, not as judges, trainers, owners, grooms and vets/farriers and any others involved.

      People used to talk about the underworld of racing and abuses there?
      Most trainers shunned anyone such and those that did do anything wrong ended up in unlicensed brush tracks and the police shutting them down as they should.

      Still, the worst of those didn't hold a candle to what this TWH world seems to have been doing.

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      • Originally posted by Guilherme View Post
        You have just posted a classic Federal Civil Rights violation. Local officials go to Federal prison over stuff like this.

        So before I buy a story of interstate conspiracy under color of law to silence YOU I'll need the full 5Ws of the event.

        G.
        Yes, that is what I thought, there has to be more to the story there.
        The way it was written, that just doesn't make sense with what I know.

        That's ok, we sure don't need to know.
        Even if that was posted for the world to read, it is a personal matter and no one has to answer personal questions past what it wants to divulge, that poster included.

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        • Now for you and others that just don't believe that this has been the real world......several years ago, I attended a well known horse show in an attempt to get pictures and video as proof. After about 30 minutes of clicking and filming, I was approached by the local law enforcement and told to leave the grounds. I'm not that easily dismissed, so I was escorted to my vehicle and after a tussle, my cameras were taken by the local law enforcement and I was strongly encouraged to "head on back home, little lady". NC law enforcement "escorted" me to the TN line and then my vehicle was immediately followed by TN law enforcement until I stopped at my local police station. Oh yes, I filed charges.....got nowhere. Never even had a hearing. And my equipment that was confiscated in NC......they had no record of it. So please don't try to tell me how people sat on videos. You have no idea the struggle some have gone through to get anyone to LOOK at the videos.
          You have just posted a classic Federal Civil Rights violation. Local officials go to Federal prison over stuff like this.

          So before I buy a story of interstate conspiracy under color of law to silence YOU I'll need the full 5Ws of the event.

          G.
          This is not a difficult story for me to "buy" at all. I spent more than 15 years as a journalist in rural America. I was not just a bystander, but an editor employed by a local newspaper, well-known in the community and with full press credentials. On two occasions that I can easily recollect, I received almost the exact same treatment. On both of those occasions, however, I also was personally threatened by law enforcement.

          The law is not equally enforced in the back woods. A "civil rights violation" means absolutely nothing unless you are ready, willing and able to get the ACLU behind you. My newspaper publisher didn't blink an eye -- he did not want to upset the apple cart. We did get my cameras back, sans film.

          Sometimes I think that those who either live in more urban areas or who have never had to actually personally confront evil-doers just view the world with rose-colored glasses. When the strong arm of the law is strong-arming you into your car and escorting you out of the county -- and you are a little 20-something woman all alone in the middle of next-to-nowhere, you really do not have any civil rights!

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          • Original Poster

            Mornin Roy
            http://chattanoogan.com/2013/4/28/24...Ballistic.aspx

            Roy Exum: AgGag Sponsor Goes Ballistic
            Sunday, April 28, 2013 - by Roy Exum


            State legislator Andy Holt (Dresden-R), a pig farmer who sponsored a controversial Ag-Gag bill that was approved in the last session but may be vetoed, showed a colorful stripe after the bill was passed. Governor Bill Haslam is under heavy pressure from across the country to nullify the bill, especially after notorious trainer Larry Wheelon was arrested at his barn in Maryville on Thursday and charged with aggravated animal abuse, but the bill will become law this week if Governor Haslam does not intervene.

            Holt, who has drawn heavy criticism, sent a raging email to Kayci McLeod, who works for the Humane Society of the United States, in which the Farm Bureau’s 2012 “Excellence in Agriculture Award” winner ripped the employee after she had sent an email to all legislators asking they help defeat the bill which calls for anyone who does not report animal abuse within 48 hours to be charged with a misdemeanor.

            It is widely feared the controversial bill will greatly impede whistleblowers, the news media and animal control efforts, as well as hide large agriculture companies who mistreat animals being processed for food, according to over 100 stories that have been written since the legislation was hastily passed by one vote 10 days ago. In Indiana the legislature just defeated a similar bill.

            The Humane Society, which used undercover methods to expose and convict vicious horse trainer Jackie McConnell last year, has railed about the bill’s passage and is spending up to $100,000 in television advertising to beg for the governor’s veto. McLeod’s email to all state legislators read:

            * * *

            “Have you seen the editorial in the Tennessean today opposing HB 1191, the whistleblower suppression bill intended to cover up animal cruelty?

            “The Tennessean editorial board condemns the bill, noting that the “bill would certainly take our state in the wrong direction, toward more senseless violence.”

            “We very much hope you’ll agree with the Tennessean and oppose this dangerous bill. Thank you for your time and consideration.”

            * * *

            Rep. Holt sponsored the bill in the House while Deloris Grisham (R-Somerville) sponsored the bill in the state Senate. It has since been learned that Grisham owns a stockyard and her district includes the farm of felon trainer Jackie McConnell, who infamously starred in an undercover video that shows him beating and abusing animals and has now been seen all over the world. McConnell is still awaiting trial in Grisham’s home town after being charged with 22 counts of animal abuse which was exposed by the video.

            Here is what Holt e-mailed to the Humane Society:

            * * *

            Ms. McLeod,

            “I am extremely pleased that we were able to pass HB 1191 today to help protect livestock in Tennessee from suffering months of needless investigation that propagandist groups of radical animal activists, like your fraudulent and reprehensibly disgusting organization of maligned animal abuse profiteering corporatists, who are intent on using animals the same way human-traffickers use 17 year old women.

            “You work for a pathetic excuse for an organization and a pathetic group of sensationalists who seek to profit from animal abuse. I am glad, as an aside, that we have limited your preferred fund-raising methods here in the state of Tennessee; a method that I refer to as “tape and rape.” Best wishes for the failure of your organization and it’s true intent.

            Andy Holt

            State Representative – District 76

            Weakley & Northern Carroll Counties

            * * *

            The fiery Holt also got into a Tweeter fight with singer Carrie Underwood after she angrily tweeted, “Shame on TN lawmakers for passing the Ag Gag bill. If Gov. Bill Haslam signs this, he needs to expect me at his front door. Who's with me?”

            Obviously one will not be Holt, who quickly responded, “I would say that Carrie Underwood will stick to singing, I'll stick to lawmaking.”

            Underwood countered, “I should stick to singing? Wow...sorry, I'm just a tax paying citizen concerned for the safety of my family.”

            * * *

            This January Holt and his wife took a week’s vacation from the legislature to go to Hawaii in an all-expenses paid junket by the Farm Bureau after he was given the “Excellence in Agriculture Award” and also presented the keys to a new pickup truck.

            One of his constituents called him out on it in a blog called “Blue Girl in a Red State,” where she wrote, “Mr. Holt has returned my call, from Hawaii, answering all of my questions in a typical know-it-all can't be wrong fashion. He kept reiterating the fact that since he is in the majority party in the Legislature, and that he was given blessings from Speaker Harwell to miss this week.

            “When I asked about redistricting and other votes this week he said that his vote didn't really matter (not something I want to hear from my Rep) because the minority party would not be getting any changes that they want in terms of redistricting. ...

            “Frankly, I don't care who you received blessings from. You were voted in, stupidly in my opinion, by the residents of the 76th and your concern is competing for a 2012 Chevy Silverado or 2012 GMC Sierra as well as fully paid registration for next year's convention in Grand Rapids.”

            * * *

            Drew Rawlins, who is the director of the State Bureau of Ethics, said Holt can accept gifts from the Farm Bureau as long as he's receiving it because he's a pig farmer and not because the Farm Bureau seeks favor with him as a legislator.

            * * *

            Larry Wheelon, the Maryville horse trainer who has been charged with one count of aggravated animal cruelty after 19 horses were seized by animal control officers on Thursday, “vociferously denied” any wrongdoing in an exclusive interview with the Maryville Daily Times. “That’s sickening,” he told the newspaper’s Iva Butler. “If those horses were sored, somebody came in the barn the night before (the April 18 raid) and did it.”

            Wheelon also said his vet checked the horses while testing for Coggan’s Disease “and they all looked fine.”

            Gino Bachman, president and cruelty investigator for the Blount County Society for the Prevention to Cruelty to Animals (SPCA), disagreed, saying that in the initial search by agents from the U.S. Department of Agriculture, “(The horses) were so sore that they would just shake when you touched them,” Bachman told The Horse magazine. “Investigators couldn't finish examining one horse because it was so sore, and one horse laid down in its stall and just moaned.”

            Wheelon will appear in Blount County Sessions Court on Tuesday.

            * * *

            The Humane Society of the United States updated a video explaining horse soring on Friday following the arrest of Wheelon. Be warned – it is quite graphic. Click here to view.

            royexum@aol.com

            Here is the link Roy referred to:

            https://www.youtube.com/user/hsus
            from sunridge1 Go get 'em Roy! Stupid clown shoe nailing, acid pouring bast@rds.

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            • Originally posted by King's Ransom View Post
              This is not a difficult story for me to "buy" at all. I spent more than 15 years as a journalist in rural America. I was not just a bystander, but an editor employed by a local newspaper, well-known in the community and with full press credentials. On two occasions that I can easily recollect, I received almost the exact same treatment. On both of those occasions, however, I also was personally threatened by law enforcement.

              The law is not equally enforced in the back woods. A "civil rights violation" means absolutely nothing unless you are ready, willing and able to get the ACLU behind you. My newspaper publisher didn't blink an eye -- he did not want to upset the apple cart. We did get my cameras back, sans film.

              Sometimes I think that those who either live in more urban areas or who have never had to actually personally confront evil-doers just view the world with rose-colored glasses. When the strong arm of the law is strong-arming you into your car and escorting you out of the county -- and you are a little 20-something woman all alone in the middle of next-to-nowhere, you really do not have any civil rights!
              Well, you may get railroaded there, but you do have other resources, if you want to use them.
              This is the good old USA after all.

              I grew up in a dictatorship and "you ain't seen anything" if you think that was scary at a personal level.

              Not dismissing your experience at all, just adding some perspective to what you said, "others have rose colored glasses", because maybe they don't.

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              • Original Poster

                Thanks, King's Ransom, for backing up CleanupTNs explanation of how things can pan out in certain rural jurisdictions. I am kind of surprised that people dont know of this widespread attitude, even if they don't live in areas like that. Each town or county can be a world unto itself regarding how animals are treated or protected.
                from sunridge1 Go get 'em Roy! Stupid clown shoe nailing, acid pouring bast@rds.

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                • Originally posted by WalkInTheWoods View Post
                  Mornin Roy
                  http://chattanoogan.com/2013/4/28/24...Ballistic.aspx

                  Roy Exum: AgGag Sponsor Goes Ballistic
                  Sunday, April 28, 2013 - by Roy Exum


                  State legislator Andy Holt (Dresden-R), a pig farmer who sponsored a controversial Ag-Gag bill that was approved in the last session but may be vetoed, showed a colorful stripe after the bill was passed. Governor Bill Haslam is under heavy pressure from across the country to nullify the bill, especially after notorious trainer Larry Wheelon was arrested at his barn in Maryville on Thursday and charged with aggravated animal abuse, but the bill will become law this week if Governor Haslam does not intervene.

                  Holt, who has drawn heavy criticism, sent a raging email to Kayci McLeod, who works for the Humane Society of the United States, in which the Farm Bureau’s 2012 “Excellence in Agriculture Award” winner ripped the employee after she had sent an email to all legislators asking they help defeat the bill which calls for anyone who does not report animal abuse within 48 hours to be charged with a misdemeanor.

                  It is widely feared the controversial bill will greatly impede whistleblowers, the news media and animal control efforts, as well as hide large agriculture companies who mistreat animals being processed for food, according to over 100 stories that have been written since the legislation was hastily passed by one vote 10 days ago. In Indiana the legislature just defeated a similar bill.

                  The Humane Society, which used undercover methods to expose and convict vicious horse trainer Jackie McConnell last year, has railed about the bill’s passage and is spending up to $100,000 in television advertising to beg for the governor’s veto. McLeod’s email to all state legislators read:

                  * * *

                  “Have you seen the editorial in the Tennessean today opposing HB 1191, the whistleblower suppression bill intended to cover up animal cruelty?

                  “The Tennessean editorial board condemns the bill, noting that the “bill would certainly take our state in the wrong direction, toward more senseless violence.”

                  “We very much hope you’ll agree with the Tennessean and oppose this dangerous bill. Thank you for your time and consideration.”

                  * * *

                  Rep. Holt sponsored the bill in the House while Deloris Grisham (R-Somerville) sponsored the bill in the state Senate. It has since been learned that Grisham owns a stockyard and her district includes the farm of felon trainer Jackie McConnell, who infamously starred in an undercover video that shows him beating and abusing animals and has now been seen all over the world. McConnell is still awaiting trial in Grisham’s home town after being charged with 22 counts of animal abuse which was exposed by the video.

                  Here is what Holt e-mailed to the Humane Society:

                  * * *

                  Ms. McLeod,

                  “I am extremely pleased that we were able to pass HB 1191 today to help protect livestock in Tennessee from suffering months of needless investigation that propagandist groups of radical animal activists, like your fraudulent and reprehensibly disgusting organization of maligned animal abuse profiteering corporatists, who are intent on using animals the same way human-traffickers use 17 year old women.

                  “You work for a pathetic excuse for an organization and a pathetic group of sensationalists who seek to profit from animal abuse. I am glad, as an aside, that we have limited your preferred fund-raising methods here in the state of Tennessee; a method that I refer to as “tape and rape.” Best wishes for the failure of your organization and it’s true intent.

                  Andy Holt

                  State Representative – District 76

                  Weakley & Northern Carroll Counties

                  * * *

                  The fiery Holt also got into a Tweeter fight with singer Carrie Underwood after she angrily tweeted, “Shame on TN lawmakers for passing the Ag Gag bill. If Gov. Bill Haslam signs this, he needs to expect me at his front door. Who's with me?”

                  Obviously one will not be Holt, who quickly responded, “I would say that Carrie Underwood will stick to singing, I'll stick to lawmaking.”

                  Underwood countered, “I should stick to singing? Wow...sorry, I'm just a tax paying citizen concerned for the safety of my family.”

                  * * *

                  This January Holt and his wife took a week’s vacation from the legislature to go to Hawaii in an all-expenses paid junket by the Farm Bureau after he was given the “Excellence in Agriculture Award” and also presented the keys to a new pickup truck.

                  One of his constituents called him out on it in a blog called “Blue Girl in a Red State,” where she wrote, “Mr. Holt has returned my call, from Hawaii, answering all of my questions in a typical know-it-all can't be wrong fashion. He kept reiterating the fact that since he is in the majority party in the Legislature, and that he was given blessings from Speaker Harwell to miss this week.

                  “When I asked about redistricting and other votes this week he said that his vote didn't really matter (not something I want to hear from my Rep) because the minority party would not be getting any changes that they want in terms of redistricting. ...

                  “Frankly, I don't care who you received blessings from. You were voted in, stupidly in my opinion, by the residents of the 76th and your concern is competing for a 2012 Chevy Silverado or 2012 GMC Sierra as well as fully paid registration for next year's convention in Grand Rapids.”

                  * * *

                  Drew Rawlins, who is the director of the State Bureau of Ethics, said Holt can accept gifts from the Farm Bureau as long as he's receiving it because he's a pig farmer and not because the Farm Bureau seeks favor with him as a legislator.

                  * * *

                  Larry Wheelon, the Maryville horse trainer who has been charged with one count of aggravated animal cruelty after 19 horses were seized by animal control officers on Thursday, “vociferously denied” any wrongdoing in an exclusive interview with the Maryville Daily Times. “That’s sickening,” he told the newspaper’s Iva Butler. “If those horses were sored, somebody came in the barn the night before (the April 18 raid) and did it.”

                  Wheelon also said his vet checked the horses while testing for Coggan’s Disease “and they all looked fine.”

                  Gino Bachman, president and cruelty investigator for the Blount County Society for the Prevention to Cruelty to Animals (SPCA), disagreed, saying that in the initial search by agents from the U.S. Department of Agriculture, “(The horses) were so sore that they would just shake when you touched them,” Bachman told The Horse magazine. “Investigators couldn't finish examining one horse because it was so sore, and one horse laid down in its stall and just moaned.”

                  Wheelon will appear in Blount County Sessions Court on Tuesday.

                  * * *

                  The Humane Society of the United States updated a video explaining horse soring on Friday following the arrest of Wheelon. Be warned – it is quite graphic. Click here to view.

                  royexum@aol.com

                  Here is the link Roy referred to:

                  https://www.youtube.com/user/hsus
                  Wow.
                  from sunridge1:Go get 'em Roy! Stupid clown shoe nailing, acid pouring bast@rds.it is going to be good until the last drop!Eleneswell, the open trail begged to be used. D Taylor

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                  • Originally posted by WalkInTheWoods View Post
                    Thanks, King's Ransom, for backing up CleanupTNs explanation of how things can pan out in certain rural jurisdictions. I am kind of surprised that people dont know of this widespread attitude, even if they don't live in areas like that. Each town or county can be a world unto itself regarding how animals are treated or protected.
                    The problem with some of those who claim that this just can't be true is that they just sit behind the computer all day long and never get personally involved with helping to out animal abuse.

                    In some parts of the country the good old USA is just that: the good ole boy network still living in the dark ages and refusing to come out of it.
                    ************************
                    \"Horses lend us the wings we lack\"

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                    • Originally posted by WalkInTheWoods View Post
                      Mornin Roy
                      http://chattanoogan.com/2013/4/28/24...Ballistic.aspx

                      Roy Exum: AgGag Sponsor Goes Ballistic
                      Sunday, April 28, 2013 - by Roy Exum


                      State legislator Andy Holt (Dresden-R), a pig farmer who sponsored a controversial Ag-Gag bill that was approved in the last session but may be vetoed, showed a colorful stripe after the bill was passed. Governor Bill Haslam is under heavy pressure from across the country to nullify the bill, especially after notorious trainer Larry Wheelon was arrested at his barn in Maryville on Thursday and charged with aggravated animal abuse, but the bill will become law this week if Governor Haslam does not intervene.

                      Holt, who has drawn heavy criticism, sent a raging email to Kayci McLeod, who works for the Humane Society of the United States, in which the Farm Bureau’s 2012 “Excellence in Agriculture Award” winner ripped the employee after she had sent an email to all legislators asking they help defeat the bill which calls for anyone who does not report animal abuse within 48 hours to be charged with a misdemeanor.

                      It is widely feared the controversial bill will greatly impede whistleblowers, the news media and animal control efforts, as well as hide large agriculture companies who mistreat animals being processed for food, according to over 100 stories that have been written since the legislation was hastily passed by one vote 10 days ago. In Indiana the legislature just defeated a similar bill.

                      The Humane Society, which used undercover methods to expose and convict vicious horse trainer Jackie McConnell last year, has railed about the bill’s passage and is spending up to $100,000 in television advertising to beg for the governor’s veto. McLeod’s email to all state legislators read:

                      * * *

                      “Have you seen the editorial in the Tennessean today opposing HB 1191, the whistleblower suppression bill intended to cover up animal cruelty?

                      “The Tennessean editorial board condemns the bill, noting that the “bill would certainly take our state in the wrong direction, toward more senseless violence.”

                      “We very much hope you’ll agree with the Tennessean and oppose this dangerous bill. Thank you for your time and consideration.”

                      * * *

                      Rep. Holt sponsored the bill in the House while Deloris Grisham (R-Somerville) sponsored the bill in the state Senate. It has since been learned that Grisham owns a stockyard and her district includes the farm of felon trainer Jackie McConnell, who infamously starred in an undercover video that shows him beating and abusing animals and has now been seen all over the world. McConnell is still awaiting trial in Grisham’s home town after being charged with 22 counts of animal abuse which was exposed by the video.

                      Here is what Holt e-mailed to the Humane Society:

                      * * *

                      Ms. McLeod,

                      “I am extremely pleased that we were able to pass HB 1191 today to help protect livestock in Tennessee from suffering months of needless investigation that propagandist groups of radical animal activists, like your fraudulent and reprehensibly disgusting organization of maligned animal abuse profiteering corporatists, who are intent on using animals the same way human-traffickers use 17 year old women.

                      “You work for a pathetic excuse for an organization and a pathetic group of sensationalists who seek to profit from animal abuse. I am glad, as an aside, that we have limited your preferred fund-raising methods here in the state of Tennessee; a method that I refer to as “tape and rape.” Best wishes for the failure of your organization and it’s true intent.

                      Andy Holt

                      State Representative – District 76

                      Weakley & Northern Carroll Counties

                      * * *

                      The fiery Holt also got into a Tweeter fight with singer Carrie Underwood after she angrily tweeted, “Shame on TN lawmakers for passing the Ag Gag bill. If Gov. Bill Haslam signs this, he needs to expect me at his front door. Who's with me?”

                      Obviously one will not be Holt, who quickly responded, “I would say that Carrie Underwood will stick to singing, I'll stick to lawmaking.”

                      Underwood countered, “I should stick to singing? Wow...sorry, I'm just a tax paying citizen concerned for the safety of my family.”

                      * * *

                      This January Holt and his wife took a week’s vacation from the legislature to go to Hawaii in an all-expenses paid junket by the Farm Bureau after he was given the “Excellence in Agriculture Award” and also presented the keys to a new pickup truck.

                      One of his constituents called him out on it in a blog called “Blue Girl in a Red State,” where she wrote, “Mr. Holt has returned my call, from Hawaii, answering all of my questions in a typical know-it-all can't be wrong fashion. He kept reiterating the fact that since he is in the majority party in the Legislature, and that he was given blessings from Speaker Harwell to miss this week.

                      “When I asked about redistricting and other votes this week he said that his vote didn't really matter (not something I want to hear from my Rep) because the minority party would not be getting any changes that they want in terms of redistricting. ...

                      “Frankly, I don't care who you received blessings from. You were voted in, stupidly in my opinion, by the residents of the 76th and your concern is competing for a 2012 Chevy Silverado or 2012 GMC Sierra as well as fully paid registration for next year's convention in Grand Rapids.”

                      * * *

                      Drew Rawlins, who is the director of the State Bureau of Ethics, said Holt can accept gifts from the Farm Bureau as long as he's receiving it because he's a pig farmer and not because the Farm Bureau seeks favor with him as a legislator.

                      * * *

                      Larry Wheelon, the Maryville horse trainer who has been charged with one count of aggravated animal cruelty after 19 horses were seized by animal control officers on Thursday, “vociferously denied” any wrongdoing in an exclusive interview with the Maryville Daily Times. “That’s sickening,” he told the newspaper’s Iva Butler. “If those horses were sored, somebody came in the barn the night before (the April 18 raid) and did it.”

                      Wheelon also said his vet checked the horses while testing for Coggan’s Disease “and they all looked fine.”

                      Gino Bachman, president and cruelty investigator for the Blount County Society for the Prevention to Cruelty to Animals (SPCA), disagreed, saying that in the initial search by agents from the U.S. Department of Agriculture, “(The horses) were so sore that they would just shake when you touched them,” Bachman told The Horse magazine. “Investigators couldn't finish examining one horse because it was so sore, and one horse laid down in its stall and just moaned.”

                      Wheelon will appear in Blount County Sessions Court on Tuesday.

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                      The Humane Society of the United States updated a video explaining horse soring on Friday following the arrest of Wheelon. Be warned – it is quite graphic. Click here to view.

                      royexum@aol.com

                      Here is the link Roy referred to:

                      https://www.youtube.com/user/hsus
                      You can see two parts to these articles, one the real and indisputable HSUS drive to use videos for political purposes.
                      For those that wondered why the HSUS finally, after decades, decided to step in and look for abuse in the TWH industry?
                      Here is your smoking gun explaining this, their drive to stop those misnamed "ag gag laws", that will definitely hinder the way they so cavalierly have been looking for material for their propaganda.

                      If these laws pass, surprise, they now will be held to some less abusive ways to go about pushing their agendas, running over citizens with their lies, as they were finally caught in the circus case they lost, where they paid some to lie about the abuse.

                      On the other hand, the people that are really for animal welfare, those that care, not that we eliminate all animal use, as the HSUS and friends do, but that we do all we do with animals well, that no abuse happens, those will be able to keep doing what they do.
                      Animal welfare people would not sit on videos until it benefits their side when some law comes to be debated and passed or not, as the HSUS obviously is doing here.

                      Just thought that was a point that needed making, since so many here seem to only want one side presented and, well, there are more to such stories than it may seem if only one side gets to speak.

                      As for who is a good person or not, I expect there are questionable characters in all sides, maybe here this one senator, but then, I think we know who the HSUS president is and he really is not anyone I would hold up as a model, do I need to post that one link of who he is again?

                      And yes, this is on topic, responding to the quoted post, for those that don't like to hear some inconvenient truths.

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                      • Thank you King's Ransom, your post explains it perfectly.

                        And I really am liking me some Roy! His editorials must do much chaffing to the skin of the big lickers.

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                          • Originally posted by Bluey View Post
                            maybe here this one senator


                            http://www.kentucky.com/2013/01/12/2...violating.html

                            State senator cited for violating Horse Protection Act

                            Published: January 12, 2013

                            A high-profile walking horse proponent and padded horse rider, Kentucky state Sen. Robin Webb, D-Grayson, has suffered an equine black eye.

                            At the North Carolina Walking Horse Association championships in October, Webb was cited for violations involving two horses.

                            "Senator Robin Webb Busted" read the headline Dec. 4 on an anti-soring blog called "For the Tennessee Walking Horse."

                            According to the USDA's database of Horse Protection Act violations, Webb was ticketed for violating the "scar rule," which establishes criteria to look for certain scars on the horse that are considered evidence that a horse has been "sored" and is ineligible to compete. Webb, as owner, was cited as a responsible party for two horses, Air Force One and Showstopper.

                            In an interview last week with the Herald-Leader, Webb denied soring either horse and said she did not see anything wrong with the animals at the time of the competition.

                            "I don't sore my horses," Webb said. "I love my horses, and my horses love me."

                            She said Showstopper is a young horse whom she bought not long before the show; Air Force One is a prize-winning horse she has ridden in shows for years without incident, including a week after he failed the inspection.

                            "They were turned down on a scar rule and sent back to the barn," she said. "The scar rule is very subjective."

                            She said she did not appeal because she never received paperwork on either violation and, as far as she knows, she was not suspended.

                            Her trainer, Donald Stamper of Richmond, also was cited. Stamper confirmed Webb has horses in his barn but said he did not recall the incident.

                            "Where was this at, now?" Stamper asked in response to a reporter's question. He hung up when asked for comment on his role.

                            Webb also has been a vocal opponent of federal legislation, filed by U.S. Rep. Ed Whitfield, R-Hopkinsville, to ban the use of pads and chains, called "action devices," on horses.

                            "The Whitfield bill is extreme," Webb said last week.

                            Whitfield said in a statement Friday that his bill "eliminates the self-policing system currently employed, allowing for a more uniform enforcement. ... It is far from 'extreme,' which is why it carries the support of the American Veterinarian Medical Association, the American Association of Equine Practitioners and numerous others."

                            The American Association of Equine Practitioners, headquartered at the Kentucky Horse Park, has said the ban is necessary to end soring.

                            Dr. René A. Carlson, president of the American Veterinarian Medical Association, said in June that her group is asking for a ban on "the use of action devices and performance packages in the training and showing of walking horses, because they appear to be facilitating soring."

                            The U.S. Equestrian Federation, also headquartered at the Horse Park, also does not allow the use of action devices in the show ring.

                            At the annual meeting of the Tennessee Walking Horse Breeders and Exhibitors Association in December, Webb criticized the AAEP and other veterinary groups who have called for a ban, dubbing them "agenda-driven entities."

                            Webb was honored by Tennessee Walking Horse Breeders and Exhibitors Association as its 2012 Performance Horse Ambassador for her participation in USDA discussions.

                            Last week, Webb told the Herald-Leader that the Tennessee walking horse has been "demonized," particularly in light of a video, shot by an undercover investigator from the Humane Society of the United States, showing top walking horse trainer Jackie L. McConnell abusing horses in his Tennessee barn.

                            Webb said the footage, in which McConnell was shown striking tied-up horses in the face, was taken out of context.

                            "You don't know what happened five minutes before or five minutes after. ... These are animals that are very dangerous," Webb said. "Every breed has training techniques that animal-rights groups find offensive."
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                            • ---Last week, Webb told the Herald-Leader that the Tennessee walking horse has been "demonized," particularly in light of a video, shot by an undercover investigator from the Humane Society of the United States, showing top walking horse trainer Jackie L. McConnell abusing horses in his Tennessee barn.

                              Webb said the footage, in which McConnell was shown striking tied-up horses in the face, was taken out of context.

                              "You don't know what happened five minutes before or five minutes after. ... These are animals that are very dangerous," Webb said. "Every breed has training techniques that animal-rights groups find offensive.""---

                              This is even more curious now, yes it is.

                              Maybe she was hitting the horse in an abusive manner there, but I wonder why the HSUS made Pat Parelli their horseman of the year when, in the so instructive videos they sell, they have some hitting horses over the head all the time, like in the Barney video and so many others, way to when PP started training?

                              I would say, if it is bad in one instance to hit a horse on the head, which I agree completely, should it not be in all of them?

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                              • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eY5We...DFD781&index=1

                                There is the said video that I was talking about. What I was wanting to ask if it was from this recent seizure, or from Jackie the Jerk.

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                                • Originally posted by MonterStables View Post
                                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eY5We...DFD781&index=1

                                  There is the said video that I was talking about. What I was wanting to ask if it was from this recent seizure, or from Jackie the Jerk.
                                  That's the recent one in Blount county.
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                                  • Originally posted by luvmytbs View Post

                                    Webb said the footage, in which McConnell was shown striking tied-up horses in the face, was taken out of context.

                                    "You don't know what happened five minutes before or five minutes after. ... These are animals that are very dangerous," Webb said. "Every breed has training techniques that animal-rights groups find offensive."
                                    Here's the Jackie McConnell video. Tell me you can watch that without tears streaming down your face. Anyone who makes excuses for it...I'll tell you to your face that you are condoning and enabling animal abuse. I have never heard a horse scream like the one lying down.

                                    http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/video/...tured-16360945

                                    BTW, Donald Stamper has quite the reputation...none of it good.

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                                    • It needs to be treated for what it is, just like dog and cock fighting. If it at least can be driven underground as the other ilk, it won't save them all but it will surely cut back the abuse of the many.

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                                      • Would it be possible to put an end to this by having the veterinarians not issue health certificates for these horses? Obviously sored horses are in pain, have leg and hoof injuries, and are therefore, not healthy. No health certificate = no travel = can't show = no sored Big Lick horses in the ring.

                                        Too bad there are probably some vets who support the industry anyway, but you'd think many others would do the right thing.
                                        It's 2017. Do you know where your old horse is?

                                        www.streamhorsetv.com -- website with horse show livestream listings and links.

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                                        • Originally posted by Bluey View Post
                                          ---Last week, Webb told the Herald-Leader that the Tennessee walking horse has been "demonized," particularly in light of a video, shot by an undercover investigator from the Humane Society of the United States, showing top walking horse trainer Jackie L. McConnell abusing horses in his Tennessee barn.

                                          Webb said the footage, in which McConnell was shown striking tied-up horses in the face, was taken out of context.

                                          "You don't know what happened five minutes before or five minutes after. ... These are animals that are very dangerous," Webb said. "Every breed has training techniques that animal-rights groups find offensive.""---

                                          This is even more curious now, yes it is.

                                          Maybe she was hitting the horse in an abusive manner there, but I wonder why the HSUS made Pat Parelli their horseman of the year when, in the so instructive videos they sell, they have some hitting horses over the head all the time, like in the Barney video and so many others, way to when PP started training?

                                          I would say, if it is bad in one instance to hit a horse on the head, which I agree completely, should it not be in all of them?
                                          It's not JUST the stewarding. What about the rest of the atrocities on the same video doled out by the same people? There is such a list of what should be "absolute" wrongs in any horseman's repertoire, it boggles the mind. And I mean absolute in this case.

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