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    They don't win in the United States.
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    • Just sent to me by Roy Exum


      Oh Boy!

      Notorious Horse Trainer Arrested
      By Roy Exum

      Tennessee Gov. Bill Haslam’s office has received thousands of telephone calls, hundreds of letters and is expecting a petition bearing over 6,000 names from those begging he veto a very controversial “AgGag” bill but the deciding blow may have just been delivered in Maryville on Thursday. State authorities have charged notorious horse trainer Larry Wheelon with one count of aggravated animal cruelty and confiscated at least 17 of 28 Tennessee Walking Horses that showed visible signs of alleged abuse and soring.

      Wheelon’s barn had been raided by the U.S. Dept. of Agriculture last week and while agents were said to be “shocked,” yesterday’s action was the first step in a criminal prosecution by state officials, where horse abuse is now a felony and carries a one-to-five year jail term on each count. Wheelon has been cited for violating the federal Horse Protection Act at least 15 times by the USDA between 1993 and 2012 but yesterday’s arrest was the first in Tennessee since horse abuse became a felony last July.

      The Tennessee Legislature passed an “AgGag” bill by a mere one vote the day before the USDA raided Wheelon’s barn last week and a source said that if the AgGag bill, as it is called, had been law then evidence collected in the last two weeks against Wheelon would be impermissible and the person, or persons, who tipped the USDA would be guilty of a misdemeanor under the highly-controversial bill.

      Tennessee’s flawed Animal Abuse Bill has been so universally decried by animal protection groups that the Humane Society of the United States now has a $100,000 TV campaign to urge the governor’s veto. Not surprising, the Tennessee Walking Horse Association, considered the root of horse abuse in Tennessee for the past 50 years, and the Tennessee Farm Bureau are the only known organizations in favor of the act.

      The horses were seized yesterday by the Blount County Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals but the Humane Society and a group from House Haven were called in and asked to transport, care and feed the animals at an undisclosed farm outside of Blount County. Last week 26 of 28 horses were inspected by USDA veterinarians and some were said to be “in agony” after a paste containing such irritants as kerosene and cinnamon were found to be wrapped on the animals’ forelegs.

      To compound the tragedy, as the horses were being moved yesterday, one horse was found to be in such pain that when something brushed the animal’s bloody foreleg in a barn walkway, the pain-crazed animal rushed the experienced equine handler, badly cutting her face and breaking her leg. The handler, who has been working with horses for years, was transported by ambulance to a local hospital.

      The horse was quickly caught and sedated by veterinarians, who also began pain treatment for the animal. “The whole scene is absolutely horrible,” said one onlooker. “Nobody knows what these horses have been forced to endure.”
      Leighann McCollum, Tennessee state director for The HSUS, said on Thursday,

      “These horses are clearly in extreme pain – some of them from having chemicals applied to their skin and bolts driven into the soles of their hooves. We are grateful to be able to help rescue them so they will no longer have to suffer like this, simply for the sake of a blue ribbon. We commend the Blount County SPCA and Blount County Sheriff’s Office for their hard work and dedication on this case.”

      Intricate lab swabs were taken last week by USDA veterinarians and while it was believed results wouldn’t be available for two weeks, there was no confirmation of what caused law enforcement authorities to confiscate the animals on Thursday. “Obviously the Blount County District Attorney (Mike Flynn) didn’t need any more proof than was quite plain to see,” said a witness in Wheelon’s barn.

      Only one horse in Wheelon’s care had paperwork for Coggan’s Disease and the other 27 were being held in quarantine until yesterday when the order to take possession was deemed necessary. Under federal law, the horses can be moved but not across state lines until tested for the deadly equine infectious anemia.
      Wheelon, a director of the increasingly much-maligned Tennessee Walking Horse

      Trainer’s Association, headed the group’s Ethics Committee and was said by two sources to be a well-known “scofflaw” in Maryville, which is confirmed by his history of USDA suspensions. “Seeing these horses suffering so badly that they can hardly stand is heartbreaking, but being able to assist in this investigation and today’s rescue gives us some solace,” said Gino Bachman, president of the Blount Co. SPCA.

      Additional federal and state charges are expected in coming weeks but officials warned the investigation in “ongoing.” The lab swaps and videos will play a convincing role, as well as testimony from USDA equine experts. Wheelon’s arrest is the biggest blow to the “Big Lick” segment of the Walking Horse industry since Jackie McConnell pleaded guilty to abuse charges in Chattanooga last year.

      McConnell, who received three years’ probation and was fined $75,000 under lax Federal laws, is still awaiting trial under state charges after a scathing video showed him beating and torturing horses appeared on the ABC News show, “Nightline,” and soon went viral to horse lovers around the world.

      That is what makes the Legislature’s approval of the “AgGag” bill so incredible in a state now considered to lead the world in horse abuse. Tennessee has the third-largest equine population of all the states in the country but the “Big Lick” crowd is Shelbyville has badly maligned the state’s image and its historic breed. (An informal poll in the Shelbyville Times-Gazette showed 70 percent of its reader’s favored a veto of the AgGag bill.)

      It is not known when Gov. Haslam will veto the AgGag bill or sign it into law.

      royexum@aol.com
      April 25, 2013

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      • WITW - Gotta tell you every time I see your name on the last post I look forward with hope and with trepidation to what I might read. I know when the post is from you it will give some info on the good fight that continues. And my trepidation is I know in order to progress this issue - some bad characters and bad intentions will reveal their efforts to resist the good effort.

        SO though these latest posts are troubling - it is good to see - no it is tremendously-incredibly-over.the.top.-capitol F'n-FANTASTIC to see that officials of law enforcement from Tennessee "going in" with a warrant. How this will pan out remains to be seen.

        ANy links to the actual warrant or charges? I am wondering if there were employees? Vets? owners? who tipped the officials off or if it was someone "planted" that gave evidence which lead to the warranted search.
        from sunridge1:Go get 'em Roy! Stupid clown shoe nailing, acid pouring bast@rds.it is going to be good until the last drop!Eleneswell, the open trail begged to be used. D Taylor

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        • Originally posted by The Preacher View Post
          Just sent to me by Roy Exum


          Oh Boy!

          Notorious Horse Trainer Arrested
          By Roy Exum

          Tennessee Gov. Bill Haslam’s office has received thousands of telephone calls, hundreds of letters and is expecting a petition bearing over 6,000 names from those begging he veto a very controversial “AgGag” bill but the deciding blow may have just been delivered in Maryville on Thursday. State authorities have charged notorious horse trainer Larry Wheelon with one count of aggravated animal cruelty and confiscated at least 17 of 28 Tennessee Walking Horses that showed visible signs of alleged abuse and soring.

          Wheelon’s barn had been raided by the U.S. Dept. of Agriculture last week and while agents were said to be “shocked,” yesterday’s action was the first step in a criminal prosecution by state officials, where horse abuse is now a felony and carries a one-to-five year jail term on each count. Wheelon has been cited for violating the federal Horse Protection Act at least 15 times by the USDA between 1993 and 2012 but yesterday’s arrest was the first in Tennessee since horse abuse became a felony last July.

          The Tennessee Legislature passed an “AgGag” bill by a mere one vote the day before the USDA raided Wheelon’s barn last week and a source said that if the AgGag bill, as it is called, had been law then evidence collected in the last two weeks against Wheelon would be impermissible and the person, or persons, who tipped the USDA would be guilty of a misdemeanor under the highly-controversial bill.

          Tennessee’s flawed Animal Abuse Bill has been so universally decried by animal protection groups that the Humane Society of the United States now has a $100,000 TV campaign to urge the governor’s veto. Not surprising, the Tennessee Walking Horse Association, considered the root of horse abuse in Tennessee for the past 50 years, and the Tennessee Farm Bureau are the only known organizations in favor of the act.

          The horses were seized yesterday by the Blount County Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals but the Humane Society and a group from House Haven were called in and asked to transport, care and feed the animals at an undisclosed farm outside of Blount County. Last week 26 of 28 horses were inspected by USDA veterinarians and some were said to be “in agony” after a paste containing such irritants as kerosene and cinnamon were found to be wrapped on the animals’ forelegs.

          To compound the tragedy, as the horses were being moved yesterday, one horse was found to be in such pain that when something brushed the animal’s bloody foreleg in a barn walkway, the pain-crazed animal rushed the experienced equine handler, badly cutting her face and breaking her leg. The handler, who has been working with horses for years, was transported by ambulance to a local hospital.

          The horse was quickly caught and sedated by veterinarians, who also began pain treatment for the animal. “The whole scene is absolutely horrible,” said one onlooker. “Nobody knows what these horses have been forced to endure.”
          Leighann McCollum, Tennessee state director for The HSUS, said on Thursday,

          “These horses are clearly in extreme pain – some of them from having chemicals applied to their skin and bolts driven into the soles of their hooves. We are grateful to be able to help rescue them so they will no longer have to suffer like this, simply for the sake of a blue ribbon. We commend the Blount County SPCA and Blount County Sheriff’s Office for their hard work and dedication on this case.”

          Intricate lab swabs were taken last week by USDA veterinarians and while it was believed results wouldn’t be available for two weeks, there was no confirmation of what caused law enforcement authorities to confiscate the animals on Thursday. “Obviously the Blount County District Attorney (Mike Flynn) didn’t need any more proof than was quite plain to see,” said a witness in Wheelon’s barn.

          Only one horse in Wheelon’s care had paperwork for Coggan’s Disease and the other 27 were being held in quarantine until yesterday when the order to take possession was deemed necessary. Under federal law, the horses can be moved but not across state lines until tested for the deadly equine infectious anemia.
          Wheelon, a director of the increasingly much-maligned Tennessee Walking Horse

          Trainer’s Association, headed the group’s Ethics Committee and was said by two sources to be a well-known “scofflaw” in Maryville, which is confirmed by his history of USDA suspensions. “Seeing these horses suffering so badly that they can hardly stand is heartbreaking, but being able to assist in this investigation and today’s rescue gives us some solace,” said Gino Bachman, president of the Blount Co. SPCA.

          Additional federal and state charges are expected in coming weeks but officials warned the investigation in “ongoing.” The lab swaps and videos will play a convincing role, as well as testimony from USDA equine experts. Wheelon’s arrest is the biggest blow to the “Big Lick” segment of the Walking Horse industry since Jackie McConnell pleaded guilty to abuse charges in Chattanooga last year.

          McConnell, who received three years’ probation and was fined $75,000 under lax Federal laws, is still awaiting trial under state charges after a scathing video showed him beating and torturing horses appeared on the ABC News show, “Nightline,” and soon went viral to horse lovers around the world.

          That is what makes the Legislature’s approval of the “AgGag” bill so incredible in a state now considered to lead the world in horse abuse. Tennessee has the third-largest equine population of all the states in the country but the “Big Lick” crowd is Shelbyville has badly maligned the state’s image and its historic breed. (An informal poll in the Shelbyville Times-Gazette showed 70 percent of its reader’s favored a veto of the AgGag bill.)

          It is not known when Gov. Haslam will veto the AgGag bill or sign it into law.

          royexum@aol.com
          April 25, 2013
          Preacher - I look forward to your posts as well.

          Roy Rocks! Broke my heart to read this one though. It is such a travesty.
          from sunridge1:Go get 'em Roy! Stupid clown shoe nailing, acid pouring bast@rds.it is going to be good until the last drop!Eleneswell, the open trail begged to be used. D Taylor

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          • hurley,the bongos of tn are sayin could be 4/5 more charges added to Larry the Louse.also don't believe it was a PLANT.more like an a caring human.

            you can bet the trainers are shanking in their pants,who is next care to guess.
            here is a question,should Larry the Louse forfeit his trainers lic.and his judges card. will the celebration remove his name from the wall of SHAME.

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            • Looking at those pix I just wanted to rip those stacks off those poor animals.

              And I just can't even imagine the pain they are feeling from all the chemicals.

              The rest of what I 'd like to say, I better keep out of the public eye.
              ************************
              \"Horses lend us the wings we lack\"

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              • Just watched the local news and saw where well known sore horse trainer Wheelon is getting his due. Gosh what a long road this has been! From watching CW and the Preacher bring flatshod into the Championship ring, to being one of the first to join National, being a DQP with FOSH and eventually having to work behind the scenes for my own safety. I can't believe that I have lived long enough to say that it's a great day here in East TN.........horses being delivered from the hands of evil and into the caring hands of true horse lovers. One sick psycho down......thousands more to go!

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                • Originally posted by CleanUpTN View Post
                  Just watched the local news and saw where well known sore horse trainer Wheelon is getting his due. Gosh what a long road this has been! From watching CW and the Preacher bring flatshod into the Championship ring, to being one of the first to join National, being a DQP with FOSH and eventually having to work behind the scenes for my own safety. I can't believe that I have lived long enough to say that it's a great day here in East TN.........horses being delivered from the hands of evil and into the caring hands of true horse lovers. One sick psycho down......thousands more to go!
                  It is a great day. Eventually, with continued show of force and pressure - the people with the $$ (owners who paid this creep and his ilk) will also walk away from the stacked horse crowd. No doubt some of the thousands you speak of are back yarders nailing on a stack, saying they love their horse and have a right to stack, chain and band them, etc. THEY are why laws need to pass to make this "tradition" a jail-able offense. Those that are gonna be hanging on to this in their back yard trenches are another reason for my excitement to see local law enforcement, along with open condemnation by professional horsemen, Vet associations and yes - national attention staying active on this issue.

                  It has been needed for a long time.

                  No more turning to look the other way.

                  No more buying their crap excuses to try to justify this.

                  Yes - thousands more stackers to go.

                  I am glad you lived to see this day.

                  It tis the beginning of the end.
                  Last edited by hurleycane; Apr. 26, 2013, 07:38 AM.
                  from sunridge1:Go get 'em Roy! Stupid clown shoe nailing, acid pouring bast@rds.it is going to be good until the last drop!Eleneswell, the open trail begged to be used. D Taylor

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                    Originally posted by hurleycane View Post
                    WITW - Gotta tell you every time I see your name on the last post I look forward with hope and with trepidation to what I might read. I know when the post is from you it will give some info on the good fight that continues. And my trepidation is I know in order to progress this issue - some bad characters and bad intentions will reveal their efforts to resist the good effort.

                    SO though these latest posts are troubling - it is good to see - no it is tremendously-incredibly-over.the.top.-capitol F'n-FANTASTIC to see that officials of law enforcement from Tennessee "going in" with a warrant. How this will pan out remains to be seen.

                    ANy links to the actual warrant or charges? I am wondering if there were employees? Vets? owners? who tipped the officials off or if it was someone "planted" that gave evidence which lead to the warranted search.
                    I hear ya about the hope and trepidation ! It's like that every morning on this rollercoaster ride. As far as i have heard, someone reported abuse. Don't know who.
                    from sunridge1 Go get 'em Roy! Stupid clown shoe nailing, acid pouring bast@rds.

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                    • One Hundred thousand on an advertising campaign? Hardly productive use of donations...

                      My concern is as follows...HSUS has been found guilty of hiring liars to testify for payment ($147,000) resulting in RICO charges against them. In another case they were caught lying, falsifying documents regarding the "condition" each horse was "discovered" in, engaging in chemical castration of males when they had no legal authority.

                      A seminar, attended by a New Jersy breeder and presented by HSUS told A/C AND Police officers to use phgrases like the worst we have ever seen..and even coached them to lie saying it would all work out in the end (Source.,,,article in Modern Arabian ) Roys article does NOT quote any USDA official stating the emotionally packed words attributed to the HSUS representatives.

                      I noticed HSUS did NOT say THEY would take care of the bill. They have the horses moved to a secret location where OTHERS will cover the bill.

                      This is in NO WAY to be considered support for this perp.

                      My problem is as follows....EVERY TIME HSUS is found guilty, it gives the lawyers for these "trainers" another line of defence.

                      The Gag bill is a double edge sword. It makes it impossible for HSUS to "shop" their videos around to negotiate the best financial rate of return like they did in the previous case. Think of how many horses suffered during that year so HSUS could make an additional 100,000$...?

                      It does mean the horses will be removed or helped immediately. On the other side, it does not allow for much time to collect evidence..however I see that as the lesser of two evils.

                      The issue is..to identify and remove tortured horses from these individuals.

                      HSUS is fighting the gag law to fill their own pockets. It has NOTHING to do with saving the TWH or any other horse.

                      Keep up the GREAT WORK. I am confident that B.L. will soon be a thing of the past.
                      The Elephant in the room

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                      • Fairfax - Who paid HSUS for the McConnell video?
                        from sunridge1:Go get 'em Roy! Stupid clown shoe nailing, acid pouring bast@rds.it is going to be good until the last drop!Eleneswell, the open trail begged to be used. D Taylor

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                        • Originally posted by hurleycane View Post
                          It is a great day. Eventually, with continued show of force and pressure - the people with the $$ (owners who paid this creep and his ilk) will also walk away from the stacked horse crowd. No doubt some of the thousands you speak of are back yarders nailing on a stack, saying they love their horse and have a right to stack, chain and band them, etc. THEY are why laws need to pass to make this "tradition" a jail-able offense. Those that are gonna be hanging on to this in their back yard trenches are another reason for my excitement to see local law enforcement, along with open condemnation by professional horsemen, Vet associations and yes - national attention staying active on this issue.

                          It has been needed for a long time.

                          No more turning to look the other way.

                          No more buying their crap excuses to try to justify this.

                          Yes - thousands more stackers to go.

                          I am glad you lived to see this day.

                          It tis the beginning of the end.


                          To those of us who are not familar to any great extent regarding your breed could you please clarrify one point. You say "thousands" of stackers to go and yet others state that BL is a small small small...minute group within the show crowd.

                          Thanks
                          The Elephant in the room

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                          • Well I'll damned. I never thought I'd live to see the day.

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                            • Originally posted by sunridge1 View Post
                              Well I'll damned. I never thought I'd live to see the day.
                              Might be a dream too.... See if a good pinch will wake you up. LOL

                              Originally posted by Fairfax View Post
                              To those of us who are not familar to any great extent regarding your breed could you please clarrify one point. You say "thousands" of stackers to go and yet others state that BL is a small small small...minute group within the show crowd.

                              Thanks
                              Fairfax - Small, or small small, and even small small small and minute are all relative. The number of stackers are small compared to the number of flat, regular or barefoot TWH. But for sure I will fire off an audit of the books and contact all the related associations and get back to you on that exact number.


                              And maybe you missed it - but you indicated HSUS held on to the McCOnnell video waiting for the best payment ("shopped for financial return").

                              Who paid them and how much were they paid?

                              You really do need to clarify this or spell it out. If not as you state - you need to fess up.
                              from sunridge1:Go get 'em Roy! Stupid clown shoe nailing, acid pouring bast@rds.it is going to be good until the last drop!Eleneswell, the open trail begged to be used. D Taylor

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                              • It is a small group of horses that are padded. It just is. The Celebration is their big deal- look up past shows and see what qualifies as 'huge.' It's not as if we just effectively banned abuse of WP horses, you know?

                                The biggest (to me, JMO, don't argue with me) drawback to the 24 hr rule is now existing barns can close ranks, be MORE secretive, less open to 'visitors' who might be interested in a horse and want to have their phone out, taking videos/stills. IMO it makes it HARDER to gather evidence.

                                Nothing is perfect- but I don't like this 24 hr rule at all, not one bit. Hoarding data and whoring it? that is reprehensible, it absolutely is....but somewhere between "shoot and and send it in rightthisverysecond" and shopping it out...is a better solution.

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                                • Originally posted by hurleycane View Post
                                  Fairfax - Who paid HSUS for the McConnell video?
                                  The producers of the Diane Sawyer portion did state a payment had been made. It was further disclosed the fee was One Hundred Thousand Dollars. This is NOT abnormal for the TV shows as they earn revenues and the more provocative they are the more they charge for advertising.

                                  The video was one year old. Think of how many horses could have been saved in that 12 months.
                                  The Elephant in the room

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                                  • SO you re saying they gave it to Diane Sawyer before they gave it to the officials for prosecution? She too would be in jail with HSUS under the new laws for sure then.
                                    from sunridge1:Go get 'em Roy! Stupid clown shoe nailing, acid pouring bast@rds.it is going to be good until the last drop!Eleneswell, the open trail begged to be used. D Taylor

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                                      I agree, katerine. That could be remedied by removing the 48 hour limit BUT only accepting unedited footage. Law enforcement is used to watching hours of surveillance tapes to zero in on unlawful activities. Turning in unedited evidence would do much to show that events werent staged amid all the surrounding circumstances.

                                      As far as the number of BL horses - many many many of them don't ever make it to Celebration and never intend to. Tons of opportunities to show at the small local shows. Drive around KY and see the long barns with the BL walking horse logos, empty pastures unless broodmares are out. Sometimes you see them outside exercising the horses up and down long straight strips. Lickers dont corner too well.
                                      from sunridge1 Go get 'em Roy! Stupid clown shoe nailing, acid pouring bast@rds.

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                                        Originally posted by Fairfax View Post
                                        The video was one year old. Think of how many horses could have been saved in that 12 months.
                                        None before the felony animal abuse law passed last July. And HSUS was working with USDA who decided when the case was good to go and when the video could be released.
                                        from sunridge1 Go get 'em Roy! Stupid clown shoe nailing, acid pouring bast@rds.

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                                        • Very VEry good point WITW. "None" before the felony abuse law passed last July.


                                          All that happened was a little time off the show circuit.


                                          ANd if HSUS was working with USDA - then Tennessee's Ag Gag Gag Gaggle can go peck sand. All the Feds and HSUS need to do is demonstrate some superior jurisdiction in livestock matters.
                                          from sunridge1:Go get 'em Roy! Stupid clown shoe nailing, acid pouring bast@rds.it is going to be good until the last drop!Eleneswell, the open trail begged to be used. D Taylor

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