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Tennessee Walking Horse Soring Issue *Update post 1*

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  • That mare was incredible. WOW!

    Trakehner - this time is a bit different. There is more professional push to make this crap what it is - felonious!

    That is why this thread holds my interest.
    from sunridge1:Go get 'em Roy! Stupid clown shoe nailing, acid pouring bast@rds.it is going to be good until the last drop!Eleneswell, the open trail begged to be used. D Taylor

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      Yes but judges can only judge what is presented to them to judge. If we follow the money, the owners are paying for this mess. The breed registry condones it (although they claim they just process bloodline information - yeah right). Many HIOs spotlight the performance horses. Farriers get paid big bucks to nail on the packages. Who pays those who get paid ? As in every breed discipline there are owners who just write checks and dont frequent the training facilities and beleive me when i say that many owners want to own a winner and they turn their heads to what the horse goes through to win. Many pressure trainers to produce a winner or they will change trainers. They know and they pay. Trainers charge fat training and exhibiting fees. Judges and DQPs can make a little side money too. Where is all this $$$$ coming from ?

      Decades ago it was said that the AQHA was asking judges not to place the peanut rollers. Things were going to change. Do you see any change ? If a judge is presented with a whole class full of truffle hunters what is he supposed to do ? Not place any horse ? Then wait for the phone to ring ?
      from sunridge1 Go get 'em Roy! Stupid clown shoe nailing, acid pouring bast@rds.

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      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmExC...feature=relmfu

        Adding the mare I was speaking of - I thought she was linked. Isn't she something!!!!!
        from sunridge1:Go get 'em Roy! Stupid clown shoe nailing, acid pouring bast@rds.it is going to be good until the last drop!Eleneswell, the open trail begged to be used. D Taylor

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        • Jurley, Walking and AAp...have any of you volunteered at TWH shows? Do any of you DONATE TROPHIES OR MONEY to plantation classes?

          Do any of you CURRENTLY BREED the type of horse you demand everyone else produce?

          It has to start somewhere and since you are most vocal and are involved in the TWH I will look forward to your observations and success in entering or donating to plantation type classes
          The Elephant in the room

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          • Quite the tangent and tantrum Hairfax.

            BTW, "plantation" is a heavily shod class - here's the shoe:
            http://www.hphoofcare.com/kegshoe.jpg

            Bit much, no?
            from sunridge1:Go get 'em Roy! Stupid clown shoe nailing, acid pouring bast@rds.it is going to be good until the last drop!Eleneswell, the open trail begged to be used. D Taylor

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            • Every year this:
              WGC
              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7C6_FQhcoLQ

              Looks more and more like this:
              http://www.akc.org/breeds/german_shepherd_dog/index.cfm
              Groom to trainer: "Where's the glamour? You promised me glamour!"

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              • Originally posted by Fairfax View Post
                Jurley, Walking and AAp...have any of you volunteered at TWH shows? Do any of you DONATE TROPHIES OR MONEY to plantation classes?

                Do any of you CURRENTLY BREED the type of horse you demand everyone else produce?

                It has to start somewhere and since you are most vocal and are involved in the TWH I will look forward to your observations and success in entering or donating to plantation type classes
                I assume you're talking to me Fairfax? I will never donate money or anything to the hideous plantation classes. I've never been into breeding. Please show me one post where I've even mentioned breeding. My TWH came out of one of those hellish barns in Shelbyville, he was an emotional wreck. I promised him he'd never be shown again. I've kept that promise.

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                • And here is one that I tried to obscure the pic as best I can. But look at the back end. No - he is not squatting. And look at the coke can front feet. Now this is a breeding mistake for sure. But the pick was from an ad offering his stud services. The people seem nice. The horse is sweet as honey. But he should not be bred. JMO

                  http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/i...endcokecan.jpg
                  from sunridge1:Go get 'em Roy! Stupid clown shoe nailing, acid pouring bast@rds.it is going to be good until the last drop!Eleneswell, the open trail begged to be used. D Taylor

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                  • Originally posted by walknsound View Post
                    I assume you're talking to me Fairfax? I will never donate money or anything to the hideous plantation classes. I've never been into breeding. Please show me one post where I've even mentioned breeding. My TWH came out of one of those hellish barns in Shelbyville, he was an emotional wreck. I promised him he'd never be shown again. I've kept that promise.
                    What classes are you for?

                    Since you don't breed and only own one...I believe you said your horse had been acquired as a two year old and 20 years later still suffered from that abuse..do you even ride it?

                    I am never quite sure what the involvement of people is....when you only own one horse...spout support for HSUS and don't work directly to make changes and don't donate time or money to shows to try and make a difference...I guess you are just a forum warrior.
                    The Elephant in the room

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                    • Originally posted by hurleycane View Post
                      Quite the tangent and tantrum Hairfax.

                      BTW, "plantation" is a heavily shod class - here's the shoe:
                      http://www.hphoofcare.com/kegshoe.jpg

                      Bit much, no?
                      I usually find those who demand others do as they say...really don't do much themselves. I read you owned a couple of horses...twh?

                      Have you ever volunteered at a show...or worked with the planning committee trying to get more "natural" classes in?

                      Did you support the groups started by HSUS rep Mr. Dane?

                      I understand you have never been to a Saddlebred stable or farm...yet you comment about training tools.

                      Another typing warrior...carry on...
                      The Elephant in the room

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                        Fairfax must be bored today. Dont buy into it. Just WALK away and leave him staring at the screen.
                        from sunridge1 Go get 'em Roy! Stupid clown shoe nailing, acid pouring bast@rds.

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                        • Originally posted by WalkInTheWoods View Post
                          Fairfax must be bored today. Dont buy into it. Just WALK away and leave him staring at the screen.

                          I think he should have had decaf this morning.
                          ************************
                          \"Horses lend us the wings we lack\"

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                          • Originally posted by Fairfax View Post
                            I usually find those who demand others do as they say...really don't do much themselves. I read you owned a couple of horses...twh?

                            Have you ever volunteered at a show...or worked with the planning committee trying to get more "natural" classes in?

                            Did you support the groups started by HSUS rep Mr. Dane?

                            I understand you have never been to a Saddlebred stable or farm...yet you comment about training tools.

                            Another typing warrior...carry on...
                            LOL Your reading comprehension really lacks. Your post above demonstrates you have little to no understanding of anything nor an ability to learn. Why back off the shoe discussion? I put up my own horse and you come in saying I have no right to speak on the matter? And try to infer stuff not pertinent to the discussion?

                            Deflection anyone????
                            http://www.psdgraphics.com/wp-conten...cd-display.jpg
                            from sunridge1:Go get 'em Roy! Stupid clown shoe nailing, acid pouring bast@rds.it is going to be good until the last drop!Eleneswell, the open trail begged to be used. D Taylor

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                            • WITW - did you see the video of the Merry Wilson horse???

                              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmExC...feature=relmfu

                              With your Standy background - tell me - do you see the standy influence in her????

                              I sure do - or at least I think I do. LOL. Specially the head/neck. I will try to find pics of others that to me show a strong standy influence. Those standys are some great gaitors BTW.

                              Here is a standy that came to mind with this mare:

                              http://www.standardbredcanada.ca/fil...e-fullbody.jpg
                              Last edited by hurleycane; Sep. 9, 2012, 03:49 PM.
                              from sunridge1:Go get 'em Roy! Stupid clown shoe nailing, acid pouring bast@rds.it is going to be good until the last drop!Eleneswell, the open trail begged to be used. D Taylor

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                              • Originally posted by Fairfax View Post
                                What classes are you for?

                                Since you don't breed and only own one...I believe you said your horse had been acquired as a two year old and 20 years later still suffered from that abuse..do you even ride it?

                                I am never quite sure what the involvement of people is....when you only own one horse...spout support for HSUS and don't work directly to make changes and don't donate time or money to shows to try and make a difference...I guess you are just a forum warrior.
                                So I only own one? That would be surprising to my others! I never said I acquired my horse as a two year old (please give the number of the post where I said that.) You really need to know what you are talking about when you say anything about me. Yes, I have devoted hours and more to stopping soring for decades in ways you will never know about. Carry on, you are amusing me!!!

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                                • My apologies for adding this observation to this thread: On another thread Fairfax states he worked for PETA "rose high in their ranks as he was well funded." No one asked for more info but with his bizarre ability to confabulate on our posts, I can only wonder what personal info is also confabulated by this poster.
                                  from sunridge1:Go get 'em Roy! Stupid clown shoe nailing, acid pouring bast@rds.it is going to be good until the last drop!Eleneswell, the open trail begged to be used. D Taylor

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                                    Originally posted by luvmytbs View Post
                                    I think he should have had decaf this morning.
                                    Or perhaps Mrs. Fairfax had a headache last night.
                                    Last edited by WalkInTheWoods; Sep. 9, 2012, 07:21 PM. Reason: swapped out smiley
                                    from sunridge1 Go get 'em Roy! Stupid clown shoe nailing, acid pouring bast@rds.

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                                    • Originally posted by hurleycane View Post
                                      My apologies for adding this observation to this thread: On another thread Fairfax states he worked for PETA "rose high in their ranks as he was well funded." No one asked for more info but with his bizarre ability to confabulate on our posts, I can only wonder what personal info is also confabulated by this poster.
                                      No apology needed, very good point.

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                                      • Originally posted by hurleycane View Post
                                        That mare was incredible. WOW!


                                        That is why this thread holds my interest.
                                        Yes Merry Wilson was great for her day and age. As much as I liked and respected Dr. Womack (he was a great historian of the breed and wrote the book Echo of hoofbeats) I have to disagree with him. IMO the quality of the TWH has improved over the years. For a modern day answer to Merry Wilson check out this mare Generators Elegance. She won the Plantation WC several times back in the early 90's a really nice mare.

                                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...yjK2Ak-QE&NR=1

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                                          http://chattanoogan.com/2012/9/10/23...ld-And-Us.aspx

                                          Roy Exum: Horses, The World And Us
                                          Monday, September 10, 2012 - by Roy Exum

                                          On Tuesday of next week the eyes of the international horse world, from Australia to Belgium to the Middle East itself, will focus sharply on Chattanooga where the loudest Federal Court sentencing since Jimmy Hoffa was once skewered by Bobby Kennedy in 1964 will be handed down by Federal Judge Sandy Mattice.

                                          Back when Teamster boss Hoffa was brought down by prosecutor James Neal and soon found guilty of trying to bribe a grand juror, the sensational trial had all the trappings of Hollywood sleaze -- a sinister criminal element, high-level corruption and more G-men in town that you could count. Hoffa got eight years but when Jackie McConnell faces Judge Mattice next week after already pleading guilty to violating the federal Horse Protection Act, it is believed the sadistic horse trainer and serial abuser will walk away with just probation. All around the world, millions of people are incensed.

                                          Ironically, there has been more interest in McConnell’s trial than there was in Hoffa because horsemen and horsewomen all over the globe have now seen the hideous videotape that has been aired repeatedly on television and YouTube of the Collierville, Tn., trainer savagely abusing Tennessee Walking Horses. Who owns that horse? they scream.

                                          The international horse community does not understand it at all and, after I have received countless emails from those as far away as Tasmania, horse lovers around the world don’t understand Tennesseans either. What tribe of people intentionally hurt and abuse their horses? They don’t do it in Afghanistan, Libya or Morocco but are led to believe that in Tennessee this is part of life.

                                          In the Middle East they believe “the wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse’s ears” and Sir Winston Churchill once observed, “There is something about the outside of a horse that is good for the inside of a man.” Abraham Lincoln claimed, “I can make a General in five minutes but a good horse is hard to replace,” and then there is the Bedouin legend: “Allah took a handful of southerly wind, blew His breath over it, and created the horse. Thou shall fly without wings, and conquer without any sword, O, Horse!”

                                          So the cry comes and it is loud; why do people in Tennessee hurt their horses? Around the world, a horse is the most sacred of all animals. A cow or a pig or a donkey is mere livestock, a cat or a dog just a pet. But a horse has been man’s most prized companion for centuries and, just now, as a small but potent cancer called the “Big Lick” is actually threatening the entire Tennessee Walking Horse breed, I can tell you that every international equine authority and publication is watching McConnell’s Chattanooga appearance in the same way they might regard a poisonous and hissing snake.

                                          Jackie McConnell is a Big Lick villain. Oh, there are others still enmeshed in the twisted Shelbyville hierarchy who are just as bad but, as McConnell’s 30 years of abuse have come to light, international horse groups are gasping why Tennesseans have done nothing to curb a wide pattern of constant and continued abuse. And when they heard that Jackie and his wife just sponsored a victory trophy at the Tennessee Walking Horse World Celebration just two weeks ago, the hypocrisy and loathing for the Big Lick hierarchy ramped up to its highest point of the summer.

                                          It has been brought out often that the breed is among the most noble of all American horses, and that 97 percent of the owners and riders would never harm an animal, but the bloodlust segment of the industry continues to ruin the Walker’s image badly. Longtime riders in Texas, California, Alaska, Minnesota and other states now cringe at the sight of padded hooves, chains, straps and other action devices and two leading equine veterinarian groups are calling for such equipment to be outlawed.

                                          The “Big Lick” faction, in an effort to openly defy USDA and Humane Society inspectors, tactfully hired an “inside veterinarian” from Kentucky’s once-respected Rood & Riddle Equine Hospital to counter soring claims and it has since turned into a public relations disaster. It seems the vet, Dr. Scott Hooper, has previous ties with his Shelbyville employers and both the doctor and the hospital are now being publicly discredited for their questionable involvement.

                                          People in England and France can’t understand that. The Tennessee legislature made horse abuse a felony during the summer but the Big Lickers have fought back, seeking blatant favoritism with those like Congressman Scott Desjarlais (R-Jasper) by hosting a money-raising reception for the politician during the Celebration. A number of horses were disqualified at the Celebration but the county sheriff did not make a single arrest and a spokesperson explained it away, saying “that’s a federal thing.”

                                          Around the world those who love the horse just don’t get it. Nowhere on any other continent, from darkest Africa to the expert horsemen in Outer Mongolia, would any tribe hurt its horses except those in Tennessee. They can hardly wait to watch what we do about it next week.

                                          royexum@aol.com
                                          from sunridge1 Go get 'em Roy! Stupid clown shoe nailing, acid pouring bast@rds.

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