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We all have reactions to rhinestone tack & a 20-something dressing in pony leggings & a pink skirt at the barn, it's just that we can overlook the bad taste in order to be friendly & helpful.
What you MUST do is "Love your neighbor", which in this case means
telling the BO that if she doesn't have a talk with the gal telling her that her raw Mustang could maim or kill her, that you will! Your BO is negligent to allow events to unfold!
Do NOT sit on your hands & forever regret not having given this gal the facts! She needs to understand her situation YESTERDAY! I only hope that it's not too late.
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Oh how I wish this were true! My trainer got so tired of people stealing towels out of our ringside grooming box that he bought these hideous coral/pink colored towels (they seriously look like Spongebob Squarepants threw up on them!). We've lost about half of them--but at least they're easy to find at the end of the day!Originally posted by rustbreeches View PostNobody ever steals the stuff in the effed up colors.
Originally posted by EquineImaginedMy subconscious is a wretched insufferable beotch.
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Wow WarDance, I hope you didn't intend to come off as so snobbish, mean and unwelcoming? Welcome her to the barn, share your enthusiasm about horses, and help her when she needs it. I think that would make a much better impression.
Regarding horses having no turnout -that's not how I was trained. I was taught that turnout was critical to a horse's physical and mental health.
PaulaHe is total garbage! Quick! Hide him on my trailer (Petstorejunkie).
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I think the real issue here is, doesn't the BO "screen" applicants for boarding? At ALL? They should have realized this customer is a loose cannon on the deck due to the mismatch between mount and experience level alone.Originally posted by WarDance View PostApparently she told the BO that she won't be needing a trainer.
There are gentle ways to repel people who don't make your cut as desirable clients; I'm fond of saying "We're full, but tell me a little about you and your horse. If your horse is a perfect fit, we might be able to arrange something." It leaves you an "out" if it's something like this that you totally don't want to deal with.
Fashion statements aside, she's a huge walking Red Alert of an insurance risk.
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Here's my take on this:
Some of us are lucky and get our start with the classic old time trainers who teach us about riding, horse care, tack, training, blah, blah, blah.
Some just start with a love of horses and no mentor. These are the poor souls, and their horses, who fall victim to the bad trainers and other negligible 'pros'.
We all lament about clueless owners who ruin horses, and about too many unwanted horses, but when push comes to shove, rather than befriending, mentoring, and educating a new horse owner so that they can help give themsleves and their horses the best chance of success... we see posts like the OP's.
Step up to the plate OP and help. The unwanted horses of this world need clueless new horse lovers who are willing to invest time and money into a horse to have friends and mentors who can help turn them into educated horse owners who can do it well. We all need a little more hot pink and rhinestone in our lives to remind us to stop taking this all so seriously!
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This seriously made me want to cry. I can picture a young woman who dreamed of a horse for years and finally got one. She went out and bought all of the tacky tack that some of us secretly like. She probably can't sleep at night because she is so excited about her first horse.
Please don't dampen her enthusiasm and please be available to help her. All too soon she will probably become "proper" and give up her tacky tack. I just hope she doesn't give up her dream.
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Great post. Every horse owner should go out to the barn every day and have a happy experience with her horse. And not fear the people who are perfect. Op and others at that barn should step up and recommend a trainer for the horse and lessons for the new owner. And maybe OP can loan her one of her 6,000$ saddles so she won't be gauche, duh. Who makes the rules on what to buy for daily riding?Originally posted by willowmeadow View PostThis seriously made me want to cry. I can picture a young woman who dreamed of a horse for years and finally got one. She went out and bought all of the tacky tack that some of us secretly like. She probably can't sleep at night because she is so excited about her first horse.
Please don't dampen her enthusiasm and please be available to help her. All too soon she will probably become "proper" and give up her tacky tack. I just hope she doesn't give up her dream.
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Honey, as a fellow 20 something who has 20 something years of riding and showing (admittedly not on the national level), I can assure you 20 something years later if you're not still finding out things you were clueless about after all that time you aren't paying very close attention to yourself and the world around you.Originally posted by WarDance View PostI've ridden for 18 years and showed at the national level so I am not clueless at all.
I haven't gotten to all the other posts yet but good grief. Was it the best decision to get a 4yo Mustang as a first horse and declare she won't need a trainer because she took loads of lessons? Uhm. no. I have a 4yo Mustang..Have had him 2 years...and he still finds new ways to challenge me and keep me on my toes. Was it the worst decision? No. She'll figure it out on her own or with kind guidance that she's in over her head.
As for the tack, while none of mine is really gaudy(to each their own, eh?), none of it is exactly top notch stuff either. We make do and upgrade along the way piece by piece.
Did I face palm reading the initial post? Absolutely, but are we REALLY that catty here?Owned by a Paint/TB and an OTTB.
RIP Scoutin' For Trouble ~ 2011 at 10
RIP Tasha's Last Tango ~ 2010 at ~23
RIP In Sha' Allah ~ 2009 too young at 5
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Wow WD.
Has it ever occured to you that she moved her horse in to the barn because she wants to have fun with him not to put on a show to impress you.
BTW trail riding on a kind but green mustang (who I assume lived out on trails) is not an unreasonable expectation. This has variables of depend on the horse, the rider, the trails and if she has a good trail riding riding buddy (probably won't be you since you are snooty and judgemental) with a calm horse I don't see any true disaster in the making that isn't there on every other horse, every other trail and I'll bet the mustang knows how to deal with aggressive dogs on trail.
JFWIW Nylon tack as long as it fits is just fine if you are jumping into horses and will move up to better quality later on.
I think you may have forgotten how expensive outfitting a horse from the ground up is.3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375 10582097494459230781640628620899862803482534211706 79821480865132823066470938446095505822317253594081 284811174502841027019385.....
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I love my tacky turquoise fly bonnet and would love to get a matching bright turquoise saddle pad but I have boring white trimmed with baby blue b/c it was on sale
the problem is not the flashy tack, but if it doesn't fit, not your style to bad its hers not yours
now you might want to try to guide her to some books and a trainer for the unbroke horse, being a blm mustang is not the problem, the greeness of him plus the greeness of her is
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Depending on the horse, it might be what they want. My OTTB hates turnout, has since she was just off the track. Doesn't matter if she has a buddy or is by herself, in a small paddock or a huge field, she just does. not. like to be outside. Now, she gets worked quite hard and gets taken out for ~ an hour of hand grazing every day (and during the hand grazing, gets let go in a field where she rolls), but...I don't think she's suffering.Originally posted by rustbreeches View PostThat is so sad. Every race horse I have ever galloped or trained got some kind of turnout time, be it a round pen, a small paddock, or something around a couple acres, depending on their temperament.
OP:
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I forgot to mention that my little Mustang mare was un-handled when I got her when I was 12. My mom had no clue and I didn't know what a trainer was.....by the time I was a junior in high school and mom sold her, there were people lined up to buy her because she turned out to be a true packer. I had no lessons, ever. She carried my tacky butt sitting in a bareback pad for miles and miles and miles all over the canyons of southern CA. I wish the "Clueless" New Boarder as much luck.
It would be better to have some help though....but I don't see OP reaching out to HELP anyone.
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I think most are being too hard on the OP. (saying that I haven't read any of the OP's other threads.. maybe there is a trend.. but just going from this one)
Tacky tack is hilarous. This is why I bought pale pink bell boots to go on my bright orange chestnut tb mare. They are hideous, its funny. It sounds like none of this tacky tack even goes together.. not like all pink rhinestones.. That to me IS funny.
To come on the forum and have a giggle at the funny tack doesnt' mean you can't help. I had a friend (still one of my best and closest friends) who was given a horse when we were young (20ish years ago) she used bright coloured dog leashes for reins on her halter to ride around with. I had all the 'fancy' english stuff. We still had fun, and to this day we BOTH laugh at the tacky 'fancy' dog leashes.
For those posters saying they had very unsafe situations and lived. Great for you.. but I don't suppose you suggest we give all little kids unbroke pony stallions to go play with... That to me is more offensive (and dangerous) than laughing at tacky tack..
To the OP smile and help the boarder. Loan her (if you feel comfortable) some 'good' stuff. Often the really fun tacky stuff is very cheaply made and isn't safe or terribly comfortable for the horse. Suggest a trainer you like.. western or no. Welcome her, but dont' feel bad if you have to bite your cheeks to not lol at her gear. I would too.
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Wellll, it might be that nobody touches your stuff because they're afraid of a GB fan coming after them.The majority of Bailey's accessories (including his shipping clothing and custom-made/embroidered halter) are green and gold/Green Bay Packers colors. As rustbreeches said, none of that tack has EVER gone missing
My very first horse was a nasty witch of a mare that was heading back to auction because she spent all of her time biting and kicking people who attempted to saddle her, halter her, pet her, walk past her or look at her.
A mustang hot off the range would've been safer, LOL!
I was 12. She cost $1, so I could afford her.
Rode bareback in a borrowed broken bridle. Well, when I could stay on.
I learned a very valuable set of lessons:
1) how to tuck and roll
2) how to bob and weave
3) how to vault, climb through or roll under a fence really fast
4) patienceYou jump in the saddle,
Hold onto the bridle!
Jump in the line!
...Belefonte
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In a sense, if you can call this ridiculing (more like chastising), yes. We're being direct, to the OP, not on a forum she may or may not know about or in PMs.Originally posted by Perfect10 View PostDoes ridiculing the OP make y'all any better than her?Owned by a Paint/TB and an OTTB.
RIP Scoutin' For Trouble ~ 2011 at 10
RIP Tasha's Last Tango ~ 2010 at ~23
RIP In Sha' Allah ~ 2009 too young at 5
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This^^Originally posted by SwampYankee View PostI think the real issue here is, doesn't the BO "screen" applicants for boarding? At ALL? They should have realized this customer is a loose cannon on the deck due to the mismatch between mount and experience level alone.
There are gentle ways to repel people who don't make your cut as desirable clients; I'm fond of saying "We're full, but tell me a little about you and your horse. If your horse is a perfect fit, we might be able to arrange something." It leaves you an "out" if it's something like this that you totally don't want to deal with.
Fashion statements aside, she's a huge walking Red Alert of an insurance risk.
As a barn owner I can't imagine letting someone board who sounds so clueless. Guess she has to go somewhere. I hope it works out well but I would be very concerned. Does she have ICE information in her, um, tacky box? (sorry, couldn't resist.)
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