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  • #21
    Originally posted by alterhorse View Post
    Why would upstanding industry professionals need a support group?


    They probably need it most of all. Because dealing with the crazies, and watching unethical sleazeballs rake in the money with their underhanded tactics all the time while your morals won't allow you to sink to their level will drive you completely nutso.

    There's a reason I'm not a pro, and it's not the horses that I can't deal with.
    "In order to really enjoy a dog, one doesn’t merely train him to be semi-human. The point of it is to open oneself to the possibility of becoming part dog."
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    • #22
      Originally posted by Wayside View Post


      They probably need it most of all. Because dealing with the crazies, and watching unethical sleazeballs rake in the money with their underhanded tactics all the time while your morals won't allow you to sink to their level will drive you completely nutso.

      There's a reason I'm not a pro, and it's not the horses that I can't deal with.
      This is why.
      "Half the failures in life result from pulling in one's horse when it is leaping."

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      • #23
        Originally posted by Wayside View Post


        They probably need it most of all. Because dealing with the crazies, and watching unethical sleazeballs rake in the money with their underhanded tactics all the time while your morals won't allow you to sink to their level will drive you completely nutso.

        There's a reason I'm not a pro, and it's not the horses that I can't deal with.
        But in my equestrian experience, likes attract. Barns all have personalities that are a direct reflection of the one who runs it.

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          #24
          Originally posted by jumpytoo View Post
          I tend to network with other trainers/business people I know in my area. We get together randomly for social interaction (sans clients) and do talk about work, clients, training and such. If I had something weird going on I wouldn't hesitate to pick up the phone and get an opinion from one of them.. (altho on the harassment thing I would likely contact police/lawyer first.)

          I think there are some interesting experiences posted on COTH forums and certainly this is a good place for emerging trainers,riders.. and parents to post questions or search various subjects.. The hard part can be knowing which experts are truly knowledgeable and have a resume to back up their opinion.
          I'm not necessarily looking for folks to borrow horses from, etc. as you described above. Perhaps more of an 'archive' of information/experiences. Similar to what the COTHer in my OP shared with me. A particularly complicated INTERNET related scenario that required her to be aware of the 'cyberspace situation.'

          I spoke with this person on the phone, as she did not want to type out the whole, long, story. And perhaps she wanted to hear the sound of my voice to make sure she felt I was not also a nut !!

          The RMHP site (or FB, which was also involved) does not require resumes in order for people to affect the lives of others. But it does require the professional involved to spend time and $ to counter the situation.

          So perhaps simply a thread, that we can eventually put under the 'best of section' where professionals can share lessons learned. This includes mistakes made, the article on the Talent Code site explains this concept well. I will go ahead and quote some parts of it here, and maybe that will entice some folks into reading the whole thing.

          "Much of the research about learning and the brain could be distilled into a few simple words:

          Mistakes are good. Struggle makes you smarter.

          When it comes to applying this lesson to our lives, the problem is not with the science, but rather with our powerful natural aversion to mistakes and struggle.....

          How do you overcome your natural mistake allergy?

          One good answer: do it as a group....

          The benefits, of course, go far beyond the pleasure of the joke. The Mistake Club established a culture of trust and communication. When someone shares the details of their mistake, the whole group learns vicariously. Social ties are strengthened. The meetings turn into coaching sessions; the organizational brain gets smarter."
          "Friend" me !

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          • #25
            Originally posted by Isabeau Z Solace View Post
            I think COTH would be a perfectly suitable place to do help develop that kind of network/relationships. I know I have made 'direct contact' with a handful of folks here. So I am now proposing to develop that in a more structured way.

            The individual I spoke to about her difficult experiences with a 'sociopath' client, which eventually involved the child of the professional being targeted, learned some very important lessons from her experience. I would be very interested to gather other 'lessons' from other professionals.

            Especially as the difficulties seem to have been somewhat complicated/worsened by emerging technologies/websites/methods of social interaction that the professional was not aware of initially.
            We could think of it as our own little virtual "PHA"--I'm allergic to Facebook, but call me in here . . .

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            • #26
              Maybe what you are thinking of shouldn't be specifically horse related, perhaps getting involved in community business mentors and women in business groups and various programs in your area. Seminars on various topics are offered for free and you can then apply it to your own situation. Certainly a media/marketing management class would have helped with dealing with your friends social media problems and of course getting the police in the loop.

              The horse business is filled with quirky interesting people and unusual situations.. making for interesting stories but ultimately people are running a business and should learn to treat it as such. A good peer group advice team would never spend much time focusing on mistakes, alla "mistake club", any marketing person will tell you "perception becomes reality" if you want to highlight your blunders.. then that's what you get known for. My advice would be to Keep it here,keep it anonymous.. learn from what you read here. Have a couple trust worthy people you can talk to in person or by phone.
              FB can become you ad to the world so don't ever post your mistakes/blunders there or any deep personal information, keep a positive spin on things that are public... OR have 2 FB accts.. one for your biz and a VERY private one for your family..
              "The Desire to Win is worthless without the Desire to Prepare"

              It's a "KILT". If I wore something underneath, it would be a "SKIRT".

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              • #27
                Lostboy - the classic take (say nothing, ignore it, move on) on how a professional should run a business can be a dangerous mistake when dealing with a sociopath. I think this is the type of thing the OP is interested in. The situation with RMHP is interesting if for no other reason then that you are guilty until proven innocent under their system... And not all situations, if any, are going to conclude with legal judgements issues in a court of law. Something I learned in my personal situation was that simply initiating legal activity stopped the behaviour.

                So count me in. I wish I had known what I know now, I would have outed her to her husband, her boss, her new trainer.. Instead of ignoring her and "taking the high road" as I initially did. I would be happy to share that experience and what I learned with other professionals, in hopes that they can avoid a situation like that.
                "Kindness is free" ~ Eurofoal
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                • #28
                  I read the article, but lost a bit of respect for the idea when I learned the person with the most mistakes at the end of the year wins a prize. That's just backwards.

                  The social media/online "affliction" is not particular to the horse world. Every industry out there has had to deal with a new reality in which any Average Joe customer can create a stink, gather like-minded supporters, and cause a big ruckus, at best, or a serious disturbance at worst.

                  I've been fully aware this day would come as a great deal of the showing horse world is oblivious to what is happening online. But that's more a generational gap than anything. In time, it will pass. Upcoming generations have grown up online and should, in theory, be savvy enough to manage their online reputations. But until then I suspect things will get rather interesting...

                  I think you would first need to run the idea by COTH if you want it hosted here. Actually, RMHP would be an ideal location for such a forum, if you're looking to piggy back off a platform someone else has already built.
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                  • #29
                    The following are only my own opinions.....

                    I really am all for new ideas, it's just that as far as I can understand the nature of the idea at this point, it seems ambiguous to me as to what the intentions are that it might accomplish.

                    A forum for Professional Equestrians is interesting, but if the purpose is to share negative issues then what becomes accomplished through that?

                    In my opinion legal issues should be handled by Lawyers, and some states have "Unauthorized Practice of Law" statutes that exclude non lawyers from giving legal advice. I'd think that most Professionals would already be aware of the dangers of getting involved with the legal matters of another, so by virtue of the existence of Professionals who would act prudently to project themselves by refraining from giving legal advice, you have begun to introduce a selective process into who will be participating in this "Professionals" forum.

                    The next factor I see as potentially problematic, is if this "forum" is intended to provide sound advice, by what methods will accountability be established to provide assurance that such information is actually being provided by other professionals who's intentions are benevolent as opposed to self serving?

                    Next question.... Are there any laws that establish any fiduciary responsibility to clients who are depending upon a professional in financial matters concerning the purchase of personal property? Would it raise a specter of liability if a professional were to openly discuss client financial matters with other professionals?

                    I see this idea as having lot's of questions that I don't know the answers to, and without such clarity I don't know what to think of the idea.

                    Then I have this nagging question about the concept of cartels that keeps entering my mind. How could there be any safeguards with in this proposed system to prevent unscrupulous professionals (or hackers for that mater) from gathering the information that is discussed and using it for their own financial advantage?

                    What if groups of professionals from the same geographic locations begin forming cartel like associations to price fix the purchasing options for selected individuals under the guidance of a participating trainer that the client trusts, but that trainer is engaged in associations designed to guide their client into paying more for a horse?

                    How does one assure that all of this shared information won't be subject to abuse that could potentially be used to cause harm a participating professional, or a client?

                    Certainly I see how forming this "collective" under the color of good faith presents an apparent facade of harmlessness, and I am in no way alleging that I have any knowledge that it couldn't be a harmless idea, but then I have no comprehensive understanding of exactly what is being proposed, so that leaves me guessing at the possibilities of what actual purposes may actually arise if this ambiguously defined idea, as I now perceive it, were to be brought into existence.

                    I think the nature of close relationships with other professionals ought to be based upon more than a casual "internet" correspondence, because the internet is full of scam artists who rely on the impersonal nature of internet communication to hide facts from the perceptions of those they may have intentions of scamming.

                    When you have a real life relationship in actually "knowing" another professional, you base that trust in so much more than printed words on a computer screen. I think I can get a better feeling about a person by watching them handle one horse, one time, in real life, then I ever could by reading posts on the internet.

                    I just don't think I really understand what this concept of a forum for professionals is about?

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