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  • #81
    Yes!!!!! Managed quite well with the French cribbing collar. Never ever "taught" another horse to crib. Was one of the most athletic, healthy, spirited and intelligent horses I've ever owned. Any other questions??????????
    She wasn't running away with me, I just couldn't stop her!

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    • #82
      I've just read the OP and want to share something amazing I say last week.

      A friend has a BAD cribber. Her husband just made this "thing" to hang across the top of his stall door. It is some sort of PC pipe cut into about 2 inch pieces and strung on a heavy duty nylon rope with knots between each piece of pipe. If the horse tries to grab the PC/nylon string, which he probably won't as it will be too scarey for this one, he won't be able to grip onto the stall, as the piping flips around 360 degrees.

      I'll ask her how it is working in a few days and get back to ya all.
      "The best thing for the inside of a man is the outside of a horse" Lord Palmerston

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      • #83
        We have "crack alley" here at Chatham Hall! Lots of donations that are confirmed cribbers. I just put them all in one end of the barn with Miracle Collars on - some stop, some crib with the collar. It's a pain sometimes - the other horses pull on their cribbing straps while they're turned out and take them off, the kids don't know how to put them on or leave them really loose, but over all they don't cause too much of a problem.

        I haven't had one pick up the habit from our crowd - but I won't put any of the babies near a cribber, just in case!

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        • #84
          We have an OTTB who is a very mild cribber.No collar as doesn't seem to hurt him or his surroundings and no other horse seems to pick it up. Doesn't hurt the stall,etc. He is now with daughter at a lovely fancy dressage barn and even there no one feels he needs a collar.Personally not a big deal, but then he's not compulsive or noisy about it. My guess is that there are different causes/types of cribbing and some are indicative of health or mental issues to a greater or lesser extent. One symptom can be caused by different things.

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          • #85
            I had a horse that was a mild cribber. When he went out, he wore a cribbing muzzle; every cribber I've ever seen wearing a collar still cribbed; the collars do not seem to be a significant deterrent. With the muzzle, the horse can't crib if he can't latch on to anything. But I'd give him a break inside his stall and take the mask off.

            The kick boards in the stall only went up about 5' so he'd crib on them. Hot sauce and other icky potions didn't stop him. So, I took wooden carpet tack strips and nailed them about 2" above the top of the boards with the little tackies pointing out. The horse didn't want/need his crib fix badly enough that he wanted to get his nose poked by tiny "thorns". The tackstrips were set back far enough that unless he tried to crib, they couldn't possibly cause injury to him. Worked like a charm, and cost all of $5.00
            ~*~Tally Hoooooooo!~*~

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            • #86
              I haven't read the while 5 pages, but wanted to comment on the ulcers issue.

              I have a broodmare (since a weanling) and it took me several years to understand she was prone to ulcers when stressed. (No, she does not crib.) Stressed meant when something chnged, when she was weaned, when the turn-out arrngment was changed...etc. This mares' only symptom of ulcers was going off her feed - which is why it took so long to diagnose. But going off her feed was a problem, as that is not what you want a and infoal or lactating broodmare to do.

              I treated her last bout of ulcers (18 months ago, when we moved to the new farm) with gastroguard - and followed up with a "pre-biotic" (Ration-Plus) in every feed along with Neighlox. SHe gets these two additives with every grain meal, no exceptions.

              No more problems folks. At all. She kept her appetite fine for foaling, weaning and when I removed the mare who was the love of her life from the farm. She also does not paw while eating, or bang her feed tub around trying to remove it from the wall while eating. THe change is remarkable.

              Having read the other thread, if she were mine, I would go ahead with the Gastroguard (having her scoped would be $400, and you'll know within a week of Gastroguard if it's helping and that's $350) and after the GG regemine I'd slap her on Neighlox immediately, put a cribbing muzzle on her, turn her out over winter and reassess in the spring. I wold also remove the cribbing muzzle occasionally to see if she hasn't stopped cribbing. Because I have a feeling she will.

              The poster that said that 80% of race horses have ulcers is absolutely correct.

              (edited to add, there are so many mis-spelling and typos in this post, I don't EVEN have the energy to fix them. Just trust that it's late, I'm tired, and I'm not illiterate.)
              "No matter how cynical I get its just not enough to keep up." Lily Tomlin

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                #87
                Thank you for all the information. It has been so helpful. First of all I had my vet put on the Miracle Collar since I had no idea how tight to make it etc, and this sweet little girl has not cribbed since. She is also a wind sucker when cribbing and I was horrified and the gurgling sound she would have in her esophagus so I havent heard that either.
                She is doing so well, my boss mare, My Mercedes, was turned out with her and has taken her under her wing. The two mares are in love and so happy. My Mercedes doesn't care about the rest of her herd and has left it to the number two mare!!!
                I purchased a very nice granola type grain without any molasses for the cribber mare and have not given her any apples or other treats the others get. It really breaks my heart not to be giving her the wonderful apples we can purchase from the local orchards this time of year. Do you all with cribbers really think apples have too much sugar for her????
                She is a beautil sweet girl and once I get her shoes removed and my chiro to look at her we'll be all set. She is absolutely stunning and has the attitude of a cocker spaniel!!! Just follows me around like a well trained dog--or it is natural horsemanship trained horse.
                Regardless she is happy as a clam.
                http://www.talloaksfarm.net ---"Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts." --- Winston Churchill

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                • #88
                  It sounds as if once the surprise of a cribber wore off you are in love!!!!

                  Glad you gave her a chance.

                  Kristie
                  "Concern for animals is a matter of taking the side of the weak against the strong, something the best people have always done." Harriet Beecher Stowe 1811-1896

                  Ponies are cool!

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                  • #89

                    Thank you TallOaks for a positive post. I kept checking the other thread hoping to read something like this... Even if you end up selling her, at least now, I know you are giving her the chance and you are falling in love with her. Let's keep our fingers crossed that your husband and trainer will come on side soon. She will probably amaze you, just because she will be so grateful...
                    thank you.
                    A.

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                    • #90
                      Wow, TO, that sure was a quick change of heart....
                      www.savethehorses.org GA Horse Rescue
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                      • #91
                        TO - In regards to the cribbing/acid stomache/ulcers I wanted to add my $.02 - First of all, I am pretty sure (and someone please correct me if I am wrong) that ANY kind of grain mixture, even without molasses is considered too suggary/starchy/acidic. The diet needs to be as bland as possible.

                        Now, let me tell you what I have experimented with and have had amazing results with - Instead of grain, I use Timothy or Bermuda hay pellets to mix my supplements, then add 2 Tablespoons of MARSHMALLOW ROOT (POWDERED) (really cheap from "A Drop in the Bucket") and 1/2 cup Aloe Vera juice. You can use this mixture 2x a day and it really really helps - like unbelievably.

                        Also, for treats, what about getting some alfalfa pellets and give her some of those when the others are getting carrots and apples?

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                        • #92
                          It wasn't a change of heart - it was a normal person experiencing, shock, anger, distress, compassion, love, hatred, guilt - all sorts of things.

                          People express emotional states different ways. As long as they don't use an Uzi to do it, it's usually within parameters of socially acceptable behavior.

                          As I suspected, the mare has put a spell on TO and the two will become best buddies for life.

                          Dat's the way it works, folks.

                          TO - I don't think a little treat will kill her. Think of an occasional apple as a treat with a few vitamins in it - versus a sugar lump or peppermint.

                          Please keep us posted.
                          Brothers and sisters, I bid you beware
                          Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
                          -Rudyard Kipling

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                          • #93
                            TallOaks - Glad you are planning on pulling her plates and giving her down time for the winter.

                            As far as the apples go - yes they contain a lot of sugar, I'd avoid them as treats. Black oil sunflower seeds are a good treat - my mare loves them.

                            Do not be surprised if the Chiro finds that she has sore muscles and lots of knots, especially in the hind end - very common for horses coming off the track.

                            Just give her time, don't worry about the flexion tests or sore muscles, and have her re-evaluated come springtime. She's a beautiful mare and my bet is she'll surprise the heck out of you.
                            Bridal Sweet 05/28/1983 to 01/23/2008


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                            • #94
                              <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by J Swan:
                              It wasn't a change of heart - it was a normal person experiencing, shock, anger, distress, compassion, love, hatred, guilt - all sorts of things.

                              People express emotional states different ways. As long as they don't use an Uzi to do it, it's usually within parameters of socially acceptable behavior.

                              As I suspected, the mare has put a spell on TO and the two will become best buddies for life.

                              Dat's the way it works, folks.

                              TO - I don't think a little treat will kill her. Think of an occasional apple as a treat with a few vitamins in it - versus a sugar lump or peppermint.

                              Please keep us posted. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                              J Swan - Exactly!!!! Thanks for saying what (I think) most people understood.

                              TallOaks - I have used a mixture of alfalfa pellets, Beatpulp (w/o molassas and soaked), flax seed and Triple Crowns 12% Ration Balancer with very good success. It had good fat, protien and fiber, but is low in carbs and sugars. The alfalfa has calcium, which is good for stomach acids, but has the balancing Phosperous in the beatpulp. The Rationbalancer has all the good vit/min/probiotics she needs.

                              I expect you will get her straightened out forthwith.

                              SCFarm
                              The above post is an opinion, just an opinion. If it were a real live fact it would include supporting links to websites full of people who already agreed with me.

                              www.southern-cross-farm.com

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                              • #95
                                <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by talloaks:
                                Thank you for all the information. It has been so helpful. First of all I had my vet put on the Miracle Collar since I had no idea how tight to make it etc, and this sweet little girl has not cribbed since. She is also a wind sucker when cribbing and I was horrified and the gurgling sound she would have in her esophagus so I havent heard that either.
                                She is doing so well, my boss mare, My Mercedes, was turned out with her and has taken her under her wing. The two mares are in love and so happy. My Mercedes doesn't care about the rest of her herd and has left it to the number two mare!!!
                                I purchased a very nice granola type grain without any molasses for the cribber mare and have not given her any apples or other treats the others get. It really breaks my heart not to be giving her the wonderful apples we can purchase from the local orchards this time of year. Do you all with cribbers really think apples have too much sugar for her????
                                She is a beautil sweet girl and once I get her shoes removed and my chiro to look at her we'll be all set. She is absolutely stunning and has the attitude of a cocker spaniel!!! Just follows me around like a well trained dog--or it is natural horsemanship trained horse.
                                Regardless she is happy as a clam. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                I'm so glad she's settling in and you guys are bonding And glad to hear that the collar is working And as far as the apples go...I would be really suprised if she would take them. It's not a common track treat and most of them have to learn how to like apples. I have a gelding (OTQH)that never has accepted apples. So don't feel guilty about the apples

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                                • #96
                                  Talloaks I am so happy to hear she is doing well! I have never tried to change the diet on mine but after reading all these posts I am going to try.

                                  For those of you experienced with this... they are getting an alfalfa based pellet with no molasses. What can I feed them instead? Alfalfa hay is out of the question but I can get straight alfalfa pellets.

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                                  • #97
                                    Yup, my OTTB refused apples...even cut up in slices...he refused carrots at first as well, but finally decided he loffed them. Poor track babies - no treats!
                                    www.savethehorses.org GA Horse Rescue
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                                    • #98
                                      that's great news, talloaks, I am so glad your beautiful little mare is settling in.. right in your kind heart!
                                      A Fine Romance. April 1991 - June 2016. Loved forever.

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                                      • #99
                                        Not sure if this has been posted yet, but I've known some people who have had a lot of success with the "Chew Stop" spray (or similar variations) that you can pick up at the tack store. Some horses will crib even with it, but for others, the taste is enough to keep them away from that surface. My barn manager has a horse who cribs on the water tub outside, and they just line good-sized flat rocks all around the edges - voila - nothing for him to "hook into" and crib on! Though he had quite a funny look on his face the first time he went to crib on the newly "refurnished" tub - very much a "What the.....?" expression.

                                        Probably echoing previous posters, but putting a rubber feed tub on the ground works wonders as well.

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                                        • #100
                                          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by seahorsefarms:
                                          Yup, my OTTB refused apples...even cut up in slices...he refused carrots at first as well, but finally decided he loffed them. Poor track babies - no treats! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                          When I brought Genie (STB) home, I held a carrot in front of her and she shied at it. It was almost heartbreaking.
                                          I fed another horse carrots right in front of her, and she tried them too, and loved them. Same with apples. She had to 'learn' to enjoy treats, but caught on pretty quickly

                                          Talloaks, I am so thrilled that you seem to be falling in love with this little mare! Good Luck to you and her!
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