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  • #41
    What I don't get is who posted this. Somebody loved this woman enough to stand there and video tape her (something my own family is LOATHE to do unless I threaten their lives with a wiffle bat); but then they post it as a funny video with the title of (something like) Horse Kicks Dumb Chick.
    I have a Fjord! Life With Oden

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    • #42
      Originally posted by Cindyg View Post
      What I don't get is who posted this. Somebody loved this woman enough to stand there and video tape her (something my own family is LOATHE to do unless I threaten their lives with a wiffle bat); but then they post it as a funny video with the title of (something like) Horse Kicks Dumb Chick.
      That suggests the outcome wasn't tragic (although, if it wasn't, it could easily have been).

      I personally think the problem was the girl's lack of awareness which allowed her to get into a vulnerable position, and letting the horse get a bit too rambunctious, rather than playing per se. Playing can be done as safely as anything we do with horses, if you know what you're doing. (If you disagree, you can tell the likes of JF Pignon and Lorenzo to quit it!)

      Many years ago now, I used to play chasing games with my TB gelding in which we would alternate chasing each other. Why? Because it was fun and I love coordinating movement through body language and athleticism. I never came close to getting hurt, and it had absolutely no deleterious effects on the relationship or his compliance with my requests, nothwithstanding the dogma about dominance.

      Here are a few more videos of 'playing':

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBpGbZMEU3Y

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z61F6iWWcHc

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zq06bmJLt-U
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KACA4212weI

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfsQu4YjSjU

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      • #43
        when I first saw the "games" the kool aid follwers practice I thought it wasn't the wisest thing to do with a horse and watching this video certainly re-itereated that! One can see disaster in the making in any case by just looking around that paddock!

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        • #44
          Originally posted by Haffy View Post
          A very graphic video reminding us why it is a bad idea to 'play' with our horses.


          http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=b9bunCSRDCw


          You have to be really horse savvy, and know what to look for how to read what is going on. This shows how quickly it can all go wrong.....you want to play, go play with your dog, you want to be with horses, by their boss not their bestie.

          There is nothing necessarily wrong with interacting with ones horse at liberty. This however was an accident that was meant to happen.

          The area they were "playing" overall had issues. There was another horse in that small area. Then the person playing appeared to be playing to the camera more then paying attention to her horse. She also kept letting the horse crowd her space. She seems to be working the horse up and not controlling the activity at all.

          You can't fix stupid, but I guess you can knock it out.
          The ultimate goal of farming is not the growing of crops, but the cultivation and perfection of human beings.

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          • #45
            Originally posted by fburton View Post
            Some more arguably stupid stuff...

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FS5gygS-3k

            and a bit more sensible...

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkrKTlzBm0A

            Horse savvy, or not?
            I didn't watch the second one but I gasped several times watching the first. I'd NEVER let my horses behave like that with me near . I did laugh when the Haflinger turned into a Shetland though....kind of funny.

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            • #46
              Having been kicked in the face....that smack/pop sound made me nauseous
              It\'s a beautiful day, dont let it get away.....

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              • #47
                Originally posted by HappyVagrant View Post
                How in the world did PNH get dragged in to this?
                Western brought it in.

                We were discussing playing with the horse as a bad idea since they are large dangerous animals not dogs. Western thinks that the Pepperonis own the term play. I think that play means an exercise or activity for amusement or recreation.
                Michael: Seems the people who burned me want me for a job.
                Sam: A job? Does it pay?
                Michael: Nah, it's more of a "we'll kill you if you don't do it" type of thing.
                Sam: Oh. I've never liked those.

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                • #48
                  Originally posted by LookmaNohands View Post
                  Hint #1 - Don't do liberty work in a junk yard!

                  Hint #2 - Learn how to do liberty work correctly!

                  Hint #3 - Take lessons from this lady. She knows what she is doing!!!

                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLbG-mNzuFI
                  She's also working with an Andalusian - makes all the difference in the world.
                  In loving memory of Laura Jahnke.
                  A life lived by example, done too soon.
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                  • #49
                    Yes, I ended up exchanging a few PMs with Western last night rather than bringing it into and derailing this thread.
                    She Gets Lost

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                    • #50
                      Originally posted by Western View Post
                      As if "don't PLAY with your horses" doesn't imply PNH, since they coined the phrase.



                      They didn't invent the phrase. Believe it or not, for many years I've heard people refer to any liberty work as "playing," and those same people have never even heard of PNH.

                      They just took a phrase that sounded cute and warm and fuzzy and they mass-marketed it. . .along with all the expensive "toys."

                      As for the woman in the OP's video, how could anyone have NOT seen something like that coming? Unless, of course, you're one of those people who thinks that they have such a majikal bond with their horse that it would never ever ever do anything to hurt them. Ever. Not even with an accidental, "playful" kick.

                      "Stupid" really should hurt. In this case, it did.

                      I do hope she's alright, though.
                      Please copy and paste this to your signature if you know someone, or have been affected by someone who needs a smack upside the head. Lets raise awareness.

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                      • #51
                        Inserting a trainers name into a thread was only done to draw attention. There was no trainer mentioned in the video.



                        Many professional clinicians will have what they call "intellectual property". NO trainer that I know of, has said that they coined the words "PLAY" or "PLAYING"
                        The ultimate goal of farming is not the growing of crops, but the cultivation and perfection of human beings.

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                        • #52
                          Originally posted by sketcher View Post
                          Arguably stupid but darn cute.
                          IKR?? All I could think was "AWW! cute horsies!"
                          Yes, I smell like a horse. No, I don't consider that to be a problem.

                          Originally posted by DottieHQ
                          You're just jealous because you lack my extensive koalafications.

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                          • #53
                            Here, copper1 immediately thinks of PNH in connection with "play" & "games". Just no one else on coth does, right.

                            Happy, I got you mixed up with the OP, Haffy. So, YOU didn't say "don't play with your horse", as Haffy tells us not to do in the opening post, got it.

                            If y'all want to say that PNH doesn't come to mind when you hear "play" & "games" in connection with horses, fine.

                            My fundamental point is that playing games with horses isn't the problem: the problem is being unable to keep oneself safe while doing so.
                            Last edited by Western; Apr. 27, 2012, 08:02 PM.

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                            • #54
                              To play or NOT to play?... that is the question.
                              The ultimate goal of farming is not the growing of crops, but the cultivation and perfection of human beings.

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                              • #55
                                I think you are confusing me with Haffy. We're not the same person.
                                She Gets Lost

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                                • #56
                                  Originally posted by HappyVagrant View Post
                                  I think you are confusing me with Haffy. We're not the same person.
                                  Maybe she thinks you are Parelli.
                                  The ultimate goal of farming is not the growing of crops, but the cultivation and perfection of human beings.

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                                  • #57
                                    Originally posted by LookmaNohands View Post
                                    Hint #1 - Don't do liberty work in a junk yard!

                                    Hint #2 - Learn how to do liberty work correctly!

                                    Hint #3 - Take lessons from this lady. She knows what she is doing!!!

                                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLbG-mNzuFI
                                    I'm curious....what is the point in "playing" at liberty?

                                    I discourage horses to "play" in my bubble. What that woman is doing goes against every instinct I have for keeping myself safe. I don't see what is gained by allowing a horse to goof off and act like a herd mate at liberty and come in to my space....again, it just rubs me wrong because it looks like an accident waiting to happen. The woman in the video doesn't seem especially talented, or agile - she looks down right clumsy to me.
                                    Last edited by hundredacres; Apr. 27, 2012, 10:00 PM.

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                                    • #58
                                      Originally posted by 7HL View Post
                                      There is nothing necessarily wrong with interacting with ones horse at liberty. This however was an accident that was meant to happen.

                                      The area they were "playing" overall had issues. There was another horse in that small area. Then the person playing appeared to be playing to the camera more then paying attention to her horse. She also kept letting the horse crowd her space. She seems to be working the horse up and not controlling the activity at all.

                                      You can't fix stupid, but I guess you can knock it out.
                                      Typing something my keys aren't terribly used to, I agree with 7HL.

                                      There can be some good that can come from real liberty work. This isn't it. From the area she was "working" in, to the other horse being present, to the utter and complete deafness of the poor (now) toothless girl to what the horse was telling her from the very beginning.

                                      She was farting around with a 1,000 pound animal. You don't fart around with a 1,000 pound animal.
                                      "Aye God, Woodrow..."

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                                      • #59
                                        Playing safely=good
                                        Farzing around=bad

                                        The End.

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                                        • #60
                                          I have 'played' with my horse similar to that before. But I was always very aware of when he was getting to excited by it. Never came close to having him catch me with any part of him as even though we 'played' I had always taught him to respect my personal space.

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