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  • #21
    the blocker was a life saver when my horse decided that a hose was so scary he reared up and broke out of the crossties. He had seen a hose every day of his life and at 16, decided to be a dork. SO i retrained him with 2 blocker tie rings as cross ties and it worked wonderfully. the blocker allows the lead line to slide thru but not all the way. so they get the relief and don't panic, but still cannot get away so it teaches them to just relax. There are 3 different settings for the blocker. you just have to know how to tie them. the video link i posted above teaches all three.

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    • #22
      AA-my daughter's horse Sadie pulls back. Not as badly any more but she's been pretty consistant and violent about it in the past. What really worked well for her especially in situations like you're mentioning is to use our homemade version of the blocker only set very hard. Our heavy hitching rail had a length of logging chain on it as part of the construction and we were able to run the lead through part of the chain. For most horses it would feel like "I'm good and tied up" but for her if she had a freak out it gave just enough, it would follow her out on the pull but when she got out there she was still tied up. She never took that as a chance to run off, she stayed out there at the end of the lead and then all we had to do was reel her back in. Often what we've done with her too is run the lead through something she would normally be tied to and stand or put something heavy on the tail of the rope so there is some pressure but not hard/fast confinement.

      That said-we had a friend that had a little horse that loved to pull back and then take off. He was a hand raised horse that had never been abused a day in his life-he was just smart enough and had been tied with some crappy lead ropes in his life. His owner finally put him inside a round pen, tied him up with baling twine IN the round pen, and waited for the pull back when the rest of the horses moved off. When the horse pulled back and got loose he ran him in the round pen until he was sweaty and ready to go get tied up again. Rinsed/repeated several times and little horse gave up his pulling back career. I've seen the concept used before where the horse pulls and breaks the tie lead put is still on another lead and gets worked when they pull off. Sometimes a horse just gets intrigued with the new trick of being able to get loose and I think you're right, AA, to not let it go into a habit!

      depends a lot on what is motivating the horse and what the owner wants to do to handle the situation.
      “Most people do not listen with the intent to understand; they listen with the intent to reply.” Stephen R. Covey

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      • #23
        easiest thing to do, that will work anywhere, is to teach the horse to "stay where put". Then it doesn't matter what you tie him to, or how you tie him up, and you won't be tempted to try to tie him up in a way that might break his neck. This teaching is akin to teaching a dog to "stay". Most people refer to it as "ground tying" when talking about horses, but I prefer to think of it as "stay where put."
        You use basic training methods- reward horse for standing still for a millisecond, then work up from there until he'll stand parked while you wander off out of sight to do whatever.
        Horses are really strong and it's hard to actually find ways to tie them up that they can't break out of it if they really want to, so instead of engaging in a battle of "what to tie to" you should train the horse.

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        • #24
          Originally posted by cowboymom View Post
          His owner finally put him inside a round pen, tied him up with baling twine IN the round pen, and waited for the pull back when the rest of the horses moved off. When the horse pulled back and got loose he ran him in the round pen until he was sweaty and ready to go get tied up again. Rinsed/repeated several times and little horse gave up his pulling back career.
          I went through a day like that not too long ago with the blocker ring on the round pen wall. Only my horse got more confirmed at pulling not less, and worked us both into a lather. I decided to hold the end of the rope to stop it feeding out of the blocker at which point he broke a nice heavy brass snap, the chin ring of his halter, and finally his halter crown. I got so mad I dug in the tack room and found a heavy nylon triple stitched halter and tied him with that. I still used the blocker ring, just held tension on the end of the rope like before, and yes, I could easily hold 1000# of fight with it, only I could just as easily let go and set him free if need be. That blocker is a really cool tool.

          After three set backs with no breakage he gave up. He hasn't pulled since. In fact, two weeks ago I had him tied in the barn and a shetland pony mare started talking smack to him (she infuriates him) and he was going to wheel and kick the wall when he remembered he was tied and decided to respect the rope this time. I was pretty proud of him.

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          • #25
            The problem with all of the "ties that give" is that they violate the First Law of Tying A Horse: You tie the horse eye high, arm's length, with and to something that won't break.

            If you have a device that allows "freedom" when the horse pulls back you set the stage for teaching the horse that force brings freedom. This is a Very Bad Thing.

            The "donut" used as a "shock absorber" allows a hard tie with a minimum of risk to the horse.

            Whenever you tie a horse you run the risk of injury to the horse, people around it, and damage to property. If you fail to effectively tie the horse you increase the risk to both the horse and the people around it.

            G.
            Mangalarga Marchador: Uma Raça, Uma Paixão

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            • #26
              Originally posted by Guilherme View Post
              The problem with all of the "ties that give" is that they violate the First Law of Tying A Horse: You tie the horse eye high, arm's length, with and to something that won't break.

              If you have a device that allows "freedom" when the horse pulls back you set the stage for teaching the horse that force brings freedom. This is a Very Bad Thing.

              The "donut" used as a "shock absorber" allows a hard tie with a minimum of risk to the horse.

              Whenever you tie a horse you run the risk of injury to the horse, people around it, and damage to property. If you fail to effectively tie the horse you increase the risk to both the horse and the people around it.

              G.
              Very well put and worth repeating.

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                #27
                Originally posted by katarine View Post
                I know AA in the real life kind of way and she just doesn't want Wiz to hurt himself. No harm in that. He's a big fizzy and the last thing she wants is for him to feel his head has been grabbed and panic.

                I think, AA, you need to switch to a soft nylon rope that will 'grab' itself properly in the Blocker, and also look at how you used the Blocker. There are 3, I think, levels of firmness in threading the rope through the Blocker.
                Thank you, and a little update... it was user error! I was feeding it through the ring the wrong way. Once I fastened it properly, he fiddled and fussed with it the other night and it held fast. Onward and upward. Thank you for all your thoughts and suggestions. We'll keep working on it.
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                • #28
                  I, too, use The Clip. I don't have a puller (thank you Gawd), but I have had horses simply drop their brains out their left ear for no reason.

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by Guilherme View Post
                    The problem with all of the "ties that give" is that they violate the First Law of Tying A Horse: You tie the horse eye high, arm's length, with and to something that won't break.

                    If you have a device that allows "freedom" when the horse pulls back you set the stage for teaching the horse that force brings freedom. This is a Very Bad Thing.

                    The "donut" used as a "shock absorber" allows a hard tie with a minimum of risk to the horse.

                    Whenever you tie a horse you run the risk of injury to the horse, people around it, and damage to property. If you fail to effectively tie the horse you increase the risk to both the horse and the people around it.

                    G.
                    Thank you. If the horse already understands on some level that force brings freedom, do you immediately tie it to a fixed object, or do you do remedial training before doing so?

                    I have not done a lot of single tying, so I'm still learning about all of this. Before this new barn, all the barns where I boarded and rode always had cross ties.
                    Last edited by Alibhai's Alibar; Apr. 27, 2012, 01:46 PM. Reason: added a word
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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by Alibhai's Alibar View Post
                      Thank you. If the horse already understands on some level that force brings freedom, do you immediately tie it to a fixed object, or do you do remedial training before doing so?

                      I have not done a lot of single tying, so I'm still learning about all of this. Before this new barn, all the barns where I boarded and rode always had cross ties.
                      We start by teaching the foals to "hard tie." By the time they get some size on them they have already learned to "yield to the lead rope."

                      If you've got one that "sets back" the donut can be a big help in dealing with the problem. We don't do anything "remedial." We just tie it and go about our business. If I know it's going to happen I make sure that it's a "low traffic time" in the barn and I make sure I'm not behind the horse when they do it. Most will give you a "sign" and if they do then GET OUT OF THE WAY!!!!!

                      Cross ties, too, should be stout enough to handle a horse "setting back."

                      As long as you've got the horse "eye high, arm's length, with and to something that won't break" then you'll be OK and so will the horse. If they decide to "go walkabout" then they may get some "road burn" but the donut will prevent any serious mishap.

                      G.
                      Mangalarga Marchador: Uma Raça, Uma Paixão

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                      • #31
                        We catered to our mare's pulling because frankly I didn't want to take the risk of her hurting herself or hurting my daughter as we worked through it. She's been tied hard and fast a lot but in dicey situations we use our homegrown tie blocker or work with her. I haven't seen her pull back in a couple years IIRC.

                        Most of our horses we tie hard, high and fast and go about life. We've had some pull back, fall down, get up, try again and cuss the day we were born but none of them ever hurt themselves permanently.
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                          #32
                          I am happy to share a positive update: we've been at the new barn for a little over two weeks, and I think the tying issue had a lot to do with the adjustment period/stress.

                          Now that he's mostly settled (he was at his old barn for about 10 years), he ties almost as well as he did on the cross ties. Under saddle, he's been great. I'm taking it slowly, and he has passed all my little tying tests with flying colors. Thank you for all your input.
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                          • #33
                            Have you tried looking into a rope halter for him? The knots act as pressure points and encourage the horse not to pull. I have recently started using one as my new guy consistently broke his leather and nylon halters by pulling back. The rope halter has worked wonders

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                            • #34
                              Great news, AA. Thanks for the update.
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                              • #35
                                Originally posted by Guilherme View Post
                                The problem with all of the "ties that give" is that they violate the First Law of Tying A Horse: You tie the horse eye high, arm's length, with and to something that won't break.
                                If you have a device that allows "freedom" when the horse pulls back you set the stage for teaching the horse that force brings freedom. This is a Very Bad Thing.

                                The "donut" used as a "shock absorber" allows a hard tie with a minimum of risk to the horse.

                                Whenever you tie a horse you run the risk of injury to the horse, people around it, and damage to property. If you fail to effectively tie the horse you increase the risk to both the horse and the people around it.

                                G.
                                Is the horse's neck included in this criteria?

                                Glad your horse is settling OP! It can be hard when a horse has been at once place for a longggg time, then goes somewhere new.
                                Tell a Gelding. Ask a Stallion. Discuss it with a Mare... Pray if it's a Pony!

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                                • #36
                                  Originally posted by sublimequine View Post
                                  Is the horse's neck included in this criteria?

                                  Glad your horse is settling OP! It can be hard when a horse has been at once place for a longggg time, then goes somewhere new.
                                  Of course the neck is part of the equation; thus the "donut."

                                  If you get one that crazy enough to cause itself a fatal injury while trying to escape being tied then what kind of mayham might it do while trying to escape the discipline of a rider???

                                  G.
                                  Mangalarga Marchador: Uma Raça, Uma Paixão

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                                  • #37
                                    Thanks for posting the link to the videos! I have the blocker tie ring, but never knew you could add two more levels for strength. I only ever put the lead thru once, and with a thin nylon rope, it slid through very easy. I'm going to use the level 3 from now on! I have them for cross-tie use in my barn.
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                                    • #38
                                      Originally posted by Alibhai's Alibar View Post
                                      I am happy to share a positive update: we've been at the new barn for a little over two weeks, and I think the tying issue had a lot to do with the adjustment period/stress.
                                      My horse also relaxes and ties well once he identifies a new tying area. It's as if he learns the mental parameters of the appropriate safe space to stand and the restraint of his head becomes less of an issue to him.

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                                        #39
                                        Originally posted by SmartAlex View Post
                                        My horse also relaxes and ties well once he identifies a new tying area. It's as if he learns the mental parameters of the appropriate safe space to stand and the restraint of his head becomes less of an issue to him.
                                        Yes! That's what it felt like with Wizard, too. The New Normal. Once he figured out the setup of our new tack-up station, he was able to chill out during grooming and tacking up like he did at the old barn. It's great, because I think the new barn will be a really nice fit for both of us.
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                                        • #40
                                          His mind is keeping him in one spot. Not the rope. If he isn't drifting about, the rope doesn't come into play and there is no problem.

                                          If you take them out in the middle of nowhere, and tie them to a strange tree.... problem.

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