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So who else saw this video on FB today about horse loading/abuse?

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  • Originally posted by chizmom View Post
    I'm shocked that so many of you are excusing this woman's disgusting and abusive performance.

    Seriously, you need to get around more horses.

    Why didn't she train the horse at home, gently and kindly, so he would load easily?

    Didja not read the part the horse had been to many shows and knew the score?? He was just being an, pardon the pun, @$$.

    Can you imagine what she does when she doesn't have an audience? Life is stressful for everyone, but that doesn't mean we can all go out and beat our animals or children and then excuse ourselves because we're having a bad day!!!

    Strangely, you mentioned animals before the children...

    This woman refers to herself as a "trainer".I hope her nasty display of how to create a problem horse will discourage all of her clients. She was in a full RAGE

    You need to get out in the real world more. You apparently haven't seen real rage.

    that the horse wasn't doing what she wanted. Some posters described similar violence toward their own horses.

    Names? Dates? Pictures? Videos? Contracts produced where the people paid the trainer to work with their horses.

    It is never excusable.
    Hunh...

    ETA: Good grief. I'm starting to write and sound like 7.... Alcohol can do that??
    Last edited by goneriding24; Apr. 26, 2012, 01:11 AM. Reason: Kinda shakes you up when you realize you still like a good 'discussion'....
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    • Originally posted by chizmom View Post
      Why didn't she train the horse at home, gently and kindly, so he would load easily?
      Yeah, she should have just gotten a treat or something.

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        • Originally posted by Aelphabae View Post
          Also, regarding what the alpha herd member would do to put another lower horse in line - research has shown that it is not actually THE alpha horse who does the putting in line. They don't need to, that's why they're the leader.
          I'd be interested to know what this research is, because I am not sure this really is what's been shown. There is a lot of confusion about "leadership" in groups of horses, caused in no small part to the liberal mixing in of human notions of what a "good leader" should be. What is clear, anyway, is that the most dominant individual in a group is often not the one the others choose to follow - i.e. dominance and leadership are two distinct attributes.

          Again, this might be better discussed in a separate thread.

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          • Originally posted by goneriding24 View Post
            Hunh...

            ETA: Good grief. I'm starting to write and sound like 7.... Alcohol can do that??



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            • Originally posted by starrunner View Post
              I appreciate everyone that is willing to help share this information instead of just whispering it behind the curtain.

              I think many people will have a bad day and it could be caught on film, but I think it is nice to have another piece of the puzzle and use it to weigh whether or not to seek out their skills as a trainer or coach or whatever. Those that support her will continue to support her. Those that need information will have another piece to consider.

              I don't think I would have posted her phone number though.
              Agree on all points.

              I would not entrust any horse of mine to this trainer. A good trainer stays calm at all times, even on the rare occasions when they need to use force or make a big gesture for safety reasons. This spectacle was anything but calm. Can you imagine someone like Buck Brannaman behaving like this??

              However, posting personal contact details is a no-no.

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              • What's the difference between a horse that has been properly trained to load but won't for some reason, and a horse that hasn't been properly trained to load?

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                • All is well with the world - a "pet psychic" has been informed. This whole thing just reeks of a personal vendetta.

                  From the Youtube comments:

                  "We have forwarded this VIDEO to authorities, Mid West Horse Fair, All Madison Wisconsin TV Stations, Humane Society, Police, Wisconsin State Journal, ASIA VOIGHT FAMOUS PET PSYCHIC = Justice for the Horse. I am "THANKFUL" to the THE QUICK THINKING PERSON TO VIDEO TAPE THIS ABUSE and get her identity via license plate.. SHE STRIKES THE HORSE 25 TIMES IN 90 SECONDS.....if this was done to you by someone you would have them arrested."

                  They (whoever "they" are) say pick your battles but sometimes you get ambushed. I have one horse, that if she can get away with not loading, I will have other issues. She knows how to load, not scared of the trailer, so you can bet your donkey she will be getting on that trailer. I really don't care if she is having a "bad hair" day or not.

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                  • Originally posted by fburton View Post
                    What's the difference between a horse that has been properly trained to load but won't for some reason, and a horse that hasn't been properly trained to load?
                    A horse not properly trained to load won't load properly or easily 99% of the time. 1% of the time (give or take depending on horse) you just get lucky.

                    A horse that HAS been trained to load, well if a rider can have a bad day so can a horse, right? Tension, fear, conflicting cues by the handler, insecure handler, just a case of the "I got bit by the ornery bug today". They don't really understand what you want, you're not clear about it, and you're nervous expecting them not to jump in the trailer anyway so why on earth would they leap into the giant steel and aluminum dragon?

                    If you're angry/frustrated, why the heck would a horse want to climb in a tiny confined space with the scary predator attached to them by a rope? And, sometimes they just get a bug up their bums and feel the need to remind us that everything they do for us they do out of love and respect and no matter how we badger them we are, and can be seen by them as, insignificant little flies.

                    And I call shenanigans on the 'pet psychic' sales pitch. Not psychic, but can see how that one played out. "AHAH! A video of a 'horse trainer's extreme overreaction and poor judgement has gone viral and been blown out of proportion! AHAH! Thousands an thousands of animal lovers! I see pet psychic $$$$$$"
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                    • Originally posted by Shine View Post
                      All is well with the world - a "pet psychic" has been informed. This whole thing just reeks of a personal vendetta.

                      From the Youtube comments:

                      "We have forwarded this VIDEO to authorities, Mid West Horse Fair, All Madison Wisconsin TV Stations, Humane Society, Police, Wisconsin State Journal, ASIA VOIGHT FAMOUS PET PSYCHIC = Justice for the Horse. I am "THANKFUL" to the THE QUICK THINKING PERSON TO VIDEO TAPE THIS ABUSE and get her identity via license plate.. SHE STRIKES THE HORSE 25 TIMES IN 90 SECONDS.....if this was done to you by someone you would have them arrested."
                      Originally posted by EquineImagined View Post
                      And I call shenanigans on the 'pet psychic' sales pitch. Not psychic, but can see how that one played out. "AHAH! A video of a 'horse trainer's extreme overreaction and poor judgement has gone viral and been blown out of proportion! AHAH! Thousands an thousands of animal lovers! I see pet psychic $$$$$$"
                      As with most things in life, Follow Da Money. Dang, I missed the part with the pet psychic....
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                      • Originally posted by sketcher View Post
                        "documenting", posting personal information including her phone number and then apparently removing under pressure and claiming it was not on there and then the best best one - calling animal control and alerting the news media. Yeah, that is one story worthy of the news. :eyeroll: Give me a break. There is a reason animal control did not respond to you. The worst that will happen is that you will force them to waste their time to and they will have to call and tell this woman that a complaint was filed and to make sure the next time she loads a horse she might make sure no idjits with cameras and personal vendettas are standing around. And I can not believe for one moment there is not a personal vendetta.

                        Anyone who has been around horses long enough in varied environments will at one time or another come across situations such as the one in the video. If you have never seen some idiot with an uncouth but not dangerous or abusive method or seen someone lose their temper or not have perhaps their finest moment has not been around so much as they think they have. If you can not discern between the two then you have net been around as much as you think you have. Shit happens. The world is not coming to an end and there really is no need to see the story reported on BBC alongside the starving orphans in Africa - or even on the local news alongside the true stories of real abuse.
                        stories of true abuse of horses. There are plenty of those so why don;t you go focus your time and effort there?

                        And I find this particular commentary on your website ironic in light if the personal attack on the youtube video (I can't wait to read about hoe abusive barrel racing is!):

                        http://www.writingofriding.com/in-th...le-commenting/
                        Great post, Sketcher!

                        Originally posted by chizmom View Post
                        I'm shocked that so many of you are excusing this woman's disgusting and abusive performance.
                        Really? A wiffle bat it abusive in your world? Really?
                        I will have to explain that to my horses. "No horsies you can not kick and bite each other anymore, that is too extreme and abusive."

                        Originally posted by chizmom View Post
                        Why didn't she train the horse at home, gently and kindly, so he would load easily?
                        I can not tell from that video if she did train this horse at home or not. How is it that you can tell? Is the horse saying something only special people can hear?
                        From time to time any number of wonderfully trained horses (humans, dogs, etc) refuse to do what it is that they normally do with out issue. It does not mean lack of training. It means they have a mind of their own and sometimes they want to use it in a way that is different than we would like.

                        Originally posted by chizmom View Post
                        Can you imagine what she does when she doesn't have an audience?
                        That is a leap. We are now to assume that every trainer does worse things at home than they do in public?

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                        • Originally posted by trubandloki View Post
                          That is a leap. We are now to assume that every trainer does worse things at home than they do in public?
                          I am sure the pet psychic will be able to reveal all
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                          • Originally posted by carolprudm View Post
                            I am sure the pet psychic will be able to reveal all
                            Thank goodness....

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                            • Originally posted by trubandloki View Post
                              Really? A wiffle bat it abusive in your world? Really?
                              It depends how it is used. A hand can also be 'abusive', depending on how it is used.

                              I will have to explain that to my horses. "No horsies you can not kick and bite each other anymore, that is too extreme and abusive."
                              I don't see how this is relevant. Are you saying that anything that horses do to each other cannot be extreme or abusive, so if we did the same to a horse that couldn't be extreme or abusive either?

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                              • Originally posted by chizmom View Post
                                gently and kindly,
                                Pssst. Sometimes "gently and kindly" doesn't work when the horse says "F--- U, I ain't gettin' on the trailer and YOU can't make me"...


                                and yes, horses DO say "F--- U" quite clearly sometimes... which is why a broom often has a better use then flying...
                                and in case you're wondering, it's not used for hitting the horse, but it sure gets their attention a whole lot better than an "abusive wiffle bat".

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                                • Originally posted by carolprudm View Post
                                  I am sure the pet psychic will be able to reveal all
                                  That's funny, I don't care who you are.

                                  So, to recap, we probably have someone just hoping to find someone doing something to a horse, while at a show. Then a video shows up and people are outrageously outraged about the 'abuse' (oh, please) but it gets the video-er lots of looks/clicks for her blog. (Yes, I looked too) Then the contacting of 'the authorities' to make the video-er look like a savior of said horse, however never making a move to help the horse because she was afraid of all the mellow people standing around actually trying to help the horse load. (Check said video)

                                  Now, we have a pet psychic show up (weird name and all, in my opinion) and there will have to be lots of counseling for said horse, at great expense to the trainer. (I can tell the horse exactly what he is, for free) Oh, and for good measure, everyone should contact the Animal Department of Whatever County and make a complaint and then head on over to the MF Fair People (not what you think, I can't think of the Fair's name) and they seem to have wussed out pretty spectacularly and didn't want to hurt anyone's widdle feelings.

                                  That about it??
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                                  • Originally posted by goneriding24 View Post
                                    Hunh...

                                    ETA: Good grief. I'm starting to write and sound like 7.... Alcohol can do that??
                                    It was a good post!!!

                                    Maybe you need to drink more often.
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                                    • Originally posted by 7HL View Post
                                      It was a good post!!!

                                      Thank you!

                                      Maybe you need to drink more often.
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                                      • Originally posted by EquineImagined View Post
                                        A horse not properly trained to load won't load properly or easily 99% of the time. 1% of the time (give or take depending on horse) you just get lucky.
                                        YMMV, of course, but I have seen horses that have had no prior training load most times but also load with more difficulty some of the time. That is both lucky and risky for the owner. I wouldn't say they were properly trained.

                                        A horse that HAS been trained to load, well if a rider can have a bad day so can a horse, right?
                                        Sure, though in that case you'd expect the baulking or refusal to be temporary and the training to kick in soon enough, rather than a deterioration into a protracted struggle ending in asses getting whupped (or whatever the correct terminology is). Of course, loading might be a problem if there was a real difference in the setup - such as the trailer smelling of something spilt inside.

                                        If you're angry/frustrated, why the heck would a horse want to climb in a tiny confined space with the scary predator attached to them by a rope?
                                        That certainly doesn't help!

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                                        • I see a big $ idea here. Specially labeled and marketed Wiffle Bats for use in horse training. I will sell thousands.

                                          Seriously though, what I see in this video is an abuse of power, trust and responsibility. Clearly this person lost her temper, let it get the best of her and the horse was on the recieveing end of her rage.

                                          Abuse? Debatable.
                                          We all have different views on what constitutes abuse and those can change based on the circumstances at the time.
                                          Some people think that spanking your child is abuse.

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