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So who else saw this video on FB today about horse loading/abuse?

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  • #141
    Originally posted by paulaedwina View Post
    Just curious; of those who thought the incident wasn't a big deal -would you give your horse to this woman to train?

    Paula
    I don't have enough info. I'd say no one does if they've just watched the video. If she bases her actions on the situation at hand, then maybe. Or maybe even if she's best with a certain type of horse. I have a horse that needs the lightest touch and one that would laugh at a light touch and have you for breakfast. I pick trainers based on accomplishments (and I don't mean in the show ring), best fit, and careful repeated observation.
    Shall I tell you what I find beautiful about you? You are at your very best when things are worst.
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    • #142
      Originally posted by JoZ View Post
      I don't have enough info. I'd say no one does if they've just watched the video. If she bases her actions on the situation at hand, then maybe. Or maybe even if she's best with a certain type of horse. I have a horse that needs the lightest touch and one that would laugh at a light touch and have you for breakfast. I pick trainers based on accomplishments (and I don't mean in the show ring), best fit, and careful repeated observation.

      The voice of reason.
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      • #143
        A quick update, for those in the Madison broadcasting area Channel 3 will be airing the video on the 10 o'clock news. They also informed me that Animal Services last reported to them that they found the video to be very inappropriate and will be investigating further.

        I'm not sure why it is considered an across the board assumption that when a person is not okay watching an animal be abused it must mean that they have not been exposed to it enough or been in the industry long enough. As if it is some kind of medal of award to be so tuned out to mistreating the horse in order to get what we want out of them.

        Also, regarding what the alpha herd member would do to put another lower horse in line - research has shown that it is not actually THE alpha horse who does the putting in line. They don't need to, that's why they're the leader.

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        • #144
          I think long term for some of these videos/photographs where someone just records instead of stepping in (any number of rollkur video, documentation of Cleve Wells, photo of Larry Hoffman's horse with a PVC pipe stuffed in its mouth, etc) helps prevent possible suffering of naive individuals & their horses that come in for training. Just because Cleve Wells didn't injure every horse in for training and it may have just been one horse would be justification for not sharing the photos?

          I appreciate everyone that is willing to help share this information instead of just whispering it behind the curtain.

          I think many people will have a bad day and it could be caught on film, but I think it is nice to have another piece of the puzzle and use it to weigh whether or not to seek out their skills as a trainer or coach or whatever. Those that support her will continue to support her. Those that need information will have another piece to consider.

          I don't think I would have posted her phone number though.
          Semi Feral

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          • #145
            Originally posted by Aelphabae View Post
            A quick update, for those in the Madison broadcasting area Channel 3 will be airing the video on the 10 o'clock news. They also informed me that Animal Services last reported to them that they found the video to be very inappropriate and will be investigating further.

            I'm not sure why it is considered an across the board assumption that when a person is not okay watching an animal be abused it must mean that they have not been exposed to it enough or been in the industry long enough. As if it is some kind of medal of award to be so tuned out to mistreating the horse in order to get what we want out of them.

            Also, regarding what the alpha herd member would do to put another lower horse in line - research has shown that it is not actually THE alpha horse who does the putting in line. They don't need to, that's why they're the leader.

            yes, have yourself a cold one.

            Oh, BTW, the Alpha in any herd is always challenged.
            In their prime the hairy eyeball quelches all challenges, but should an up and coming youngster appear, or the Alpha has passed it's zenith, well, shall we say fur will fly.

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            • #146
              Aaannnddd....IF the woman was truly being abusive aaannnndddd the videographer did nothing but stand around and 'document', isnt' she complicit in the 'abuse' of the horse?? Since she didn't try to stop it?? The person in the vid in the yellow jacket at least got off their @$$, walked over and tried to help. (Honestly, I couldn't tell if a man or woman). Also, if the video-er wasn't showing a horse, nor had friends showing, why is she/he back in the back, video at the ready?? Trolling, perhaps?? Just hoping to catch something on tape?? I have my camera at hand when I'm outside with my adorable gelding and I still miss a lot of what he does, I can't get the camera going fast enough. So, I'm wondering why this was all vidded (a new word I made up). I'll go back and watch it again and maybe I missed something.

              As for the trainer, I wouldn't make a judgement based on one clip either. Good grief.
              GR24's Musing #19 - Save the tatas!!

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              • #147
                Gee, the trainer didn't sound angry when she told the "try a treat" dreamer lady that the bat "wouldn't hurt her, it's just noise." It certainly wasn't the best display of how to load a horse, but I wouldn't call it abusive. It's hard to tell from a distance, but the horse didn't look scared to me, just stubborn. Loading a scared horse is infinitely easier than loading a PITA that knows damn well how to load and is just deciding that "No" might be fun. Posting the lady's name and license plate is completely rude, uncalled for, and could result in some RARA physically assaulting the woman or her familiy- definitely not cool.

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                • #148
                  Deleted. Gonna go drink a soothing drink now.
                  Last edited by goneriding24; Apr. 25, 2012, 09:45 PM. Reason: .
                  GR24's Musing #19 - Save the tatas!!

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                  • #149
                    Sorry, deleted. Think I'm going to have something alcoholic.
                    Last edited by goneriding24; Apr. 25, 2012, 09:44 PM. Reason: .
                    GR24's Musing #19 - Save the tatas!!

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                    • #150
                      This is to Woodland specifically....

                      I think crap like this is what created Susie's issues.

                      But what I did to her to get her to you was way way worse.

                      So did I abuse her? Yeah. I probably did. Granted, I had multiple horse people and a vet on hand. But we did every kind thing we could think of and then had to resort to literally drugging her and dragging her into a trailer where she had a violent recovery.

                      We did that because her options were to get on a trailer to you and have a happy life or have a bullet in the brain that day.

                      I'm glad no one was there to video. It was the worst horsemanship day of my entire life. But I think that the end result was good so I don't regret it the way you might think.

                      I'm not so sure that what I'm seeing in this video is ABUSE, but it sure looks STUPID. And if they weren't dealing with a big problem to start with, they sure aren't helping to not create one.
                      A good horseman doesn't have to tell anyone...the horse already knows.

                      Might be a reason, never an excuse...

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                      • #151
                        I have an Appy(go freaking figure!) who can on occasion decide that he is just NOT getting on a trailer. The last time he did it to me, we were picking him up from a lease gone bad where he was almost 300lbs under weight. I don't own a trailer; I was NOT in a financial position to take him back; I had cried to a friend who owned a boarding stable and she agreed to come trailer him back on almost NO notice and make room for him.

                        This is a horse who was trailed to multiple shows in sketchy, small, cramped trailers. Who on this day decided he was NOT getting on a very nice 4 horse slant with all the doors windows etc open. So he got his a$$ NAILED with the carrot stick the lessors produced. MULTIPLE times. But after nearly 3 hours of everything nice and that we had in our combined aresnal of tricks he planted his spotted a$$ at the trailer door and just said "I'm not moving." Would I be proud to see that on YouTube? Heck no! But I did what I had to do in that situation to get him on the trailer and home where we could feed him properly.

                        Would any person who happened to video and post me that day also take the time to show that EVERY SINGLE DAY for the next month I went out and took as long as it took to get that horse onto the trailer until I could walk him onto every trailer on the property without hesitation or beatings? Nope, they would rather show the bad moments and act like that was the norm.

                        I have also known a trainer who I worked with and very much respected have to beat a horse OFF of a trailer in much the same fashion. The horse was a great loader/unloader, but nobody told them the horse WOULD NOT back off a trailer even if you set it on fire. THis horse got loaded last on a 3 horse slant, which means the other horses in front of her are now trapped too. Once she finally got off the trailer(happened arriving at a show of course) she got scratched from her classes and was always loaded in the first stall to make sure she had room to turn around. But once again, if somebody had just shown me a video of the trainer trying to get that horse off the trailer that day I probably would have formed a MUCH different opinion than I should have of her. And she everybit appeared to be beating the horse as the trainer in the video, but it was not from loss of temper, but from desperation.
                        You can't fix stupid.... but you can breed it!

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                        • #152
                          Originally posted by shakeytails View Post
                          Gee, the trainer didn't sound angry when she told the "try a treat" dreamer lady that the bat "wouldn't hurt her, it's just noise." It certainly wasn't the best display of how to load a horse, but I wouldn't call it abusive. It's hard to tell from a distance, but the horse didn't look scared to me, just stubborn. Loading a scared horse is infinitely easier than loading a PITA that knows damn well how to load and is just deciding that "No" might be fun. Posting the lady's name and license plate is completely rude, uncalled for, and could result in some RARA physically assaulting the woman or her familiy- definitely not cool.
                          Or some RARA capturing a video on her phone so they can get publicity and have something to write about on their blog.

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                          • #153
                            Originally posted by goneriding24 View Post
                            Deleted. Gonna go drink a soothing drink now.

                            Have mine, I am seeing double!

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                            • #154
                              Originally posted by goneriding24 View Post
                              Deleted. Gonna go drink a soothing drink now.
                              Pssst. I saw it. But I ain't telling.
                              "Aye God, Woodrow..."

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                                #155
                                Originally posted by BuddyRoo View Post
                                This is to Woodland specifically....
                                Susie self loads now. I will have to send you some new pictures and a video! She is no angel by any stretch - she could make a priest swear like a sailor! But she is who she is - I think she just fits the "chestnut mare" profile to a T!

                                Yeah BuddyRoo - my point is all of us have been guilty of being less then perfect a time or two. This video was OBVIOUSLY filmed by a complete TROLL who I would not allow to cross my property line even if i were on fire and they were the only fireman in the world! People like that are despicable and incapable of doing anything but judging and sharing their judgements. And when they fail - and they ALWAYS do - they ALWAYS blame someone else for their own shortcomings!

                                As a matter of fact they are trolling on CoTH now The horse world is a small small place after all.

                                Ms Troll please slime back under your rock!
                                "If you don't know where you are going, any road will take you there"

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                                • #156
                                  Originally posted by sketcher View Post
                                  Or some RARA capturing a video on her phone so they can get publicity and have something to write about on their blog.
                                  Bingo. Whateverthenameis needs some publicity and will sure get it!! I was thinking a RARA in the back of my mind. 15 minutes of fame sort of thing...

                                  Originally posted by Alagirl View Post
                                  Have mine, I am seeing double!
                                  Thank you. I'm sort of surprised I'm able to type...

                                  Originally posted by Long Spot View Post
                                  Pssst. I saw it. But I ain't telling.
                                  I still feel the same way, quite strongly at that, but, I had feeling it was getting close to da line. I'm still thoroughly disgusted.
                                  GR24's Musing #19 - Save the tatas!!

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                                  • #157
                                    Originally posted by sketcher View Post
                                    Or some RARA capturing a video on her phone so they can get publicity and have something to write about on their blog.
                                    Yuuuuup!

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                                    • #158
                                      Just curious from a legal point of view. But should the trainer in the vid be 'exonerated' of abuse charges, could the video-er be slapped with, say, a slander charge? I mean for ramping things up and making a mountain out of a molehill? Or could the trainer sue for defamation and loss of wages/business??

                                      I'm just wondering. The alcohol has loosened the synapses of my brain...
                                      GR24's Musing #19 - Save the tatas!!

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                                      • #159
                                        Originally posted by sketcher View Post
                                        Or some RARA capturing a video on her phone so they can get publicity and have something to write about on their blog.
                                        another yep

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                                        • #160
                                          I'm shocked that so many of you are excusing this woman's disgusting and abusive performance. Why didn't she train the horse at home, gently and kindly, so he would load easily?Can you imagine what she does when she doesn't have an audience? Life is stressful for everyone, but that doesn't mean we can all go out and beat our animals or children and then excuse ourselves because we're having a bad day!!! This woman refers to herself as a "trainer".I hope her nasty display of how to create a problem horse will discourage all of her clients. She was in a full RAGE that the horse wasn't doing what she wanted. Some posters described similar violence toward their own horses. It is never excusable.

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