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So who else saw this video on FB today about horse loading/abuse?

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  • Patented COTH Waffle Bat (tm).***

    Guaranteed to make your horse behave, no matter who's watching!

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    ***Waffles not included.

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    • Should we patent the riding outfit as well? Including the shoes!!

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      • Originally posted by Aelphabae View Post
        And who is this Amy person? Apparently my body double I've never met has been hanging with this girl in some conspiracy plot? Yeah, right. Where is all this proof of anything? There isn't any, just more rumors for the mill.
        Hey, at least no one is saying your not good at marketing and getting attention.
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        • Originally posted by Aelphabae View Post
          I am the original poster of the video in this discussion. I had no motivations in taping this incident outside of documenting a woman losing her temper on a horse who was more than just a little disturbed by her attempts to trailer load him. The event took place shortly after the end of the show and if they were abiding by the organizations rules of not packing up to leave until the end of hours on the last show day that means at most they were attempting to load the horse for 30-45 minutes.

          Prior to this I had never seen or heard of this woman and have no personal history with her whatsoever. The statement made below is a complete fabrication and does make the poster liable for a suit of slander. I caution everyone to be careful to what extent they go to in spreading false rumors around in any situation. All that has been provided about the video and the woman involved has been factual and no slander has been made against her. The actions she made in the video are telling enough.

          Slander and libel are both types of defamation, which refers to statements that damage another person's reputation. While there are similarities, each focuses on different types of defamation strategy. The primary difference between slander and libel is that libel is the written or otherwise printed public defamation of a person or entity, while slander is the spoken defamation of a person or entity. Slander can also include bodily gestures while libel can include published photographs.
          It does appear you seem to have a fasination with what you call abuse. I question why you did not approach the woman you claim you do not know and offer assistance? You did not even check to see if the horse was ok? Your answer was to report it to a local TV station. Your website states ego-free horsemanship. I would beg to differ with you. Ego seems right up front here.

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          • I just realized Adelphia only has 18 posts. I thought she was a regular here. For some reason, I thought she had a couple of thousand posts. Soooo....unless you're someone else in disguise, how did you know this topic was going on here??

            Also, what is Adelphia's EXACT description of abuse? I'm slightly fuzzy on that one.

            Also, why caution everyone to keep quiet. That serves no purpose for her. Then no one would be talking about her. That's not good marketing. Even bad publicity is good publicity.

            And another thing I'm wondering about. If Adel is telling everyone to keep quiet, doesn't that violate our right to free speech? (For the US crowd only)

            I'm confused. Telling us to be quiet but needing the publicity and putting it all out there with a nifty website and all. How exactly did a Seattle person end up in WI at a show? Not that no one can travel but it is a far piece between the two places.

            For a slander suit, it might be interesting to see what comes up in Discovery. That could be fun and interesting too.
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            • Originally posted by Sithly View Post
              Patented COTH Waffle Bat (tm).***

              Guaranteed to make your horse behave, no matter who's watching!

              ______________________________

              ***Waffles not included.
              LMAO OMG that made my morning we need a rolling on floor laughy face emoticon holy carps!!!
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              RIP Tasha's Last Tango ~ 2010 at ~23
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              • Originally posted by Sithly View Post
                Patented COTH Waffle Bat (tm).***

                Guaranteed to make your horse behave, no matter who's watching!

                ______________________________

                ***Waffles not included.
                I'd like to place my order. How about a free gift with purchase? http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...9QEwBA&dur=529
                "Aye God, Woodrow..."

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                • Originally posted by Sithly View Post
                  Patented COTH Waffle Bat (tm).***

                  Guaranteed to make your horse behave, no matter who's watching!

                  ______________________________

                  ***Waffles not included.
                  AWESOME! I'm still laughing

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                  • Originally posted by Long Spot View Post
                    I'd like to place my order. How about a free gift with purchase? http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...9QEwBA&dur=529
                    nonono has to be an iPhone or one of those flip camcorders that fits in your pocket for super sleuthing around showgrounds, less conspicuous this way and no one confuses you for real media and tries to get in your shot.
                    Owned by a Paint/TB and an OTTB.
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                    RIP Tasha's Last Tango ~ 2010 at ~23
                    RIP In Sha' Allah ~ 2009 too young at 5

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                    • Originally posted by goneriding24 View Post
                      Also, what is Adelphia's EXACT description of abuse? I'm slightly fuzzy on that one.
                      It is fuzzy. Has it been settled that no hitting of a horse on the butt with a whaffle bat can possibly be abusive? If it can be, what would make it abusive?

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                      • Aelphabae seems to not care about abuse when it is her doing it.

                        Standing on a horse's tender loin area for fun?!?!

                        Maybe we should point out to the news station just what their whisle blower does herself to abuse horses.
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                        • Originally posted by Fairview Horse Center View Post
                          Aelphabae seems to not care abut abuse when it is her doing it.

                          Standing on a horse's tender loin area for fun?!?!
                          It's certainly not something I would do, but why is it abuse? The horse doesn't look upset or in pain. (Someone could even argue that horses do worse to each other in the field - not that I think that is a valid argument!)

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                          • Originally posted by fburton View Post
                            It is fuzzy. Has it been settled that no hitting of a horse on the butt with a whaffle bat can possibly be abusive? If it can be, what would make it abusive?
                            I think it's been established...no hitting a horse (what size of horse?? Does that also include ponies??) on the bum (what about other areas of the horse, say, down around the gaskin) with a wiffle/waffle/whaffle (could you use those foamy things that people use in pools, the long pole thing) bat.

                            Okay, to be clear. We do seem to have the first rule of no-abuse. NO hitting horses on the bum with a wiff/waff/whaff bat. Nuances will be worked out later.

                            What's the next rule?
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                            • Originally posted by goneriding24 View Post
                              ...could you use those foamy things that people use in pools...
                              A pool noodle? Some horses I know would call even the mention of the words "Pool Noodle" to be mentally abusive. According to them, just the sight of them will scramble their innards.
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                              • Originally posted by fburton View Post
                                It's certainly not something I would do, but why is it abuse? The horse doesn't look upset or in pain. (Someone could even argue that horses do worse to each other in the field - not that I think that is a valid argument!)
                                The loin area has no support, and is where the kidneys are located. It is a very sensitive & unprotected area. She is standing on the loin, not on the rump, and doing it for fun, and showing off.

                                OTOH, whacking a horse on the fleshy part of the butt with a plastic bat that the US government has deemed safe for kids to play with, is not going to cause harm.

                                so, which IS more abusive?

                                The loader is also doing the whacking at a time when the horse MUST be loaded, so definitely not for fun/bragging.

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                                • It always amazes me that horses don't load. By that I mean if you acquire a horse that doesn't load, why isn't teaching to load quietly put on the training program along with flying changes, rollbacks, barrel patterns. It can be as simple as parking the truck and trailer in the paddock/pasture and putting the grain inside and letting the horse discover how to load and unload by himself. It can be more structured with daily practice and clicker training. Either way NOTHING excuses leaving loading issues until the morning you have to go to the show, hunt, clinic.

                                  I once watched Pat Parelli administer the spanking of a life time to a spoiled QH mare who would.not.load. He offered her the chance to load (she was an experienced hauler) and then woopwoopwooped his special majikal lead in the the air and when she didn't respond he landed that rope on her butt HARD about 3-4 times. Let me tell you she was so surprised her big spoiled butt JUMPED into that trailer. He backed her out and with just a woopwoopwoop she stepped up and stood there. He backed her out again and just said calmly, "Load up Girl" and damned if she didn't! Her owner was apoplectic because she didn't believe in corporal punishment of any kind for kids or animals. But that mare NEVER refused to load again. Unfortunately, the message of 'get'm the first time so you never have to punish again' was lost on the owner.
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                                  • Originally posted by Fairview Horse Center View Post
                                    The loin area has no support, and is where the kidneys are located.
                                    Indeed.

                                    It is a very sensitive & unprotected area.
                                    Maybe, but the horse does not appear to be bothered by it in the photo.

                                    She is standing on the loin, not on the rump, and doing it for fun, and showing off.
                                    I agree the motive makes some difference, but the main criterion for abuse must surely be harm to the horse, whether physical or mental. Was the horse harmed here?

                                    OTOH, whacking a horse on the fleshy part of the butt with a plastic bat that the US government has deemed safe for kids to play with, is not going to cause harm.
                                    Okay, so it isn't possible to abuse a horse in this way.

                                    so, which IS more abusive?
                                    In the two cases being discussed? Not a lot between them, imo. To my mind neither quite crosses the line into frank abuse.

                                    The loader is also doing the whacking at a time when the horse MUST be loaded, so definitely not for fun/bragging.
                                    Set against which, the futility of the action in this case and the ignominious and unhelpful anger.

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                                    • Originally posted by Kryswyn View Post
                                      It always amazes me that horses don't load. By that I mean if you acquire a horse that doesn't load, why isn't teaching to load quietly put on the training program along with flying changes, rollbacks, barrel patterns.
                                      The horse I had did load most of the time, and ALL of the time to come home. His issue was, he did not want to leave his buddies, so occasionally, he would decide, nope!

                                      He positively knew how to load, was not afraid, and would let me whack on him 8-10 times knowing I would NOT give up, before finally deciding his resistance was not worth the punishment.

                                      This was over about 10 years time, going to a dozen or more shows each year, and each time we would think he had resigned himself to behaving, he would do it again one day.

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                                      • But if abuse is defined as the "intent" to inflict harm, then all of the abusive trainers who don't BELIEVE they're causing harm are then innocent of their atrocities. It's more complex than that.

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                                        • Originally posted by fburton View Post
                                          Maybe, but the horse does not appear to be bothered by it in the photo.

                                          I agree the motive makes some difference, but the main criterion for abuse must surely be harm to the horse, whether physical or mental. Was the horse harmed here?
                                          We don't know as a kidney soreness may not be something the horse would object to immediately. Rather may show some problem with using its back when being ridden, urinating after being ridden, etc. A fairly stoic horse will often not show discomfort, as they have learned to put up with.


                                          the ignominious and unhelpful anger.
                                          How do we know there was anger? Usually someone that is angry can't a second later answer a person calmly and rationally. She was being very agressive with the bat, but she may know that is what it takes when this horse decides to be a butthead.

                                          Fast whacks does not = anger.

                                          It is EXACTLY what I had to do with my problem horse. If I gave him time between to think, he would suck it up for more defiance. I had to overwhelm his thinking. Also, you can SEE the mind change, and then back off to allow the calm step forward. Their stance and head position changes just slightly, when they have changed their mind to give in.

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