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So who else saw this video on FB today about horse loading/abuse?

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  • #181
    Originally posted by pds View Post
    I see a big $ idea here. Specially labeled and marketed Wiffle Bats for use in horse training. I will sell thousands.
    The Broccoli Bat?

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    • #182
      What I would love to see..if we must smear videos of people doing things poorly across the web..is videos of these people with problem loaders DRIVING them.

      There we may find answers to why even horses who generally load without issues give their human 'the hoof' and refuse to get back on.

      Lads usually gets excited to go for 'car rides', we had an instance once where person in front stopped short, and there was no clear lane for me to get over into so I had to hit the brakes hard, going "I'm sorry Laddie I'm sorry Laddie I'm sorry Laddie I'm sorry Laddie YOU FREAKING A-HOLE!!" the whole way.

      Next three trips....you guessed it, he was none too keen on getting back in the trailer.

      As for the 'pet psychic' in this instance, (I won't completely knock the 'field', I've met people who were intuitive enough and 'got' animals in ways that bordered on entering into the paranormal realm..) if they're given the chance to 'reveal all' I wonder if it will have something to do with a traumatic experience of the horse watching it's dam be hauled away and never come back...or being ripped away from her...and sire was never around.

      Because all issues stem from parents, right?

      As for 'excusing' her behavior..I don't remember reading anything EXCUSING it, a lot of agreeing it was wrong, and very very very poor horsemanship..anti horsemanship even...but that it didn't fit the 'abuse' label. But I could have missed something.
      Owned by a Paint/TB and an OTTB.
      RIP Scoutin' For Trouble ~ 2011 at 10
      RIP Tasha's Last Tango ~ 2010 at ~23
      RIP In Sha' Allah ~ 2009 too young at 5

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      • #183
        Originally posted by pds View Post
        I see a big $ idea here. Specially labeled and marketed Wiffle Bats for use in horse training. I will sell thousands.
        Does it come with a horse psychic for the aftermath?
        Trying a life outside of FEI tents and hotel rooms.

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        • #184
          Originally posted by pds View Post
          Abuse? Debatable.
          We all have different views on what constitutes abuse and those can change based on the circumstances at the time.
          Some people think that spanking your child is abuse.
          Quintessential analogy!

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          • #185
            Originally posted by goneriding24 View Post
            That's funny, I don't care who you are.

            So, to recap, we probably have someone just hoping to find someone doing something to a horse, while at a show. Then a video shows up and people are outrageously outraged about the 'abuse' (oh, please) but it gets the video-er lots of looks/clicks for her blog. (Yes, I looked too) Then the contacting of 'the authorities' to make the video-er look like a savior of said horse, however never making a move to help the horse because she was afraid of all the mellow people standing around actually trying to help the horse load. (Check said video)

            Now, we have a pet psychic show up (weird name and all, in my opinion) and there will have to be lots of counseling for said horse, at great expense to the trainer. (I can tell the horse exactly what he is, for free) Oh, and for good measure, everyone should contact the Animal Department of Whatever County and make a complaint and then head on over to the MF Fair People (not what you think, I can't think of the Fair's name) and they seem to have wussed out pretty spectacularly and didn't want to hurt anyone's widdle feelings.

            That about it??
            I looked at the blog, too, and it was illuminating. And entire post devoted to a 15 - point dissection of an unpleasant comment? Such a fine line between articulate defense and pompous windbaggery. (Or not. )

            Anyway, completely agree with the 15 min of fame assessment someone posted earlier. This person reeeeeaaly likes to hear herself talk.

            Apparently this is the new face of activism in the technological age. Trial by Internet mob jury. It's like those useless petitions that go around. Everyone gets to pile on and feel like they've made a difference - without actually DOING anything or putting themselves out in any way.

            In this case we have the added bonus of potential stalking, harassment, and complete disruption of this trainer's business and personal life - all for a three minute video clip.

            I hope all of you who are okay with this kind of Internet vigilante justice are okay with it coming back to you. Or your trainer. Or your facility. It's easy to say, "Well I wouldn't abuse a horse, so I have nothing to worry about." But seriously, would you want to undergo a mob trial for your worst three minutes of horsemanship? Hah. Most of us won't even post video of our BEST rides.

            This trainer could very well be an abusive jerk... or not. Three minutes of video where she whacks a horse with a whiffle bat until he jumps in the trailer are not enough for me to convict her of abuse.

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            • #186
              Originally posted by EquineImagined View Post
              As for the 'pet psychic' in this instance, (I won't completely knock the 'field', I've met people who were intuitive enough and 'got' animals in ways that bordered on entering into the paranormal realm..) if they're given the chance to 'reveal all' I wonder if it will have something to do with a traumatic experience of the horse watching it's dam be hauled away and never come back...or being ripped away from her...and sire was never around.

              Because all issues stem from parents, right?



              I always knew it!

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              • #187
                Originally posted by EquineImagined View Post
                What I would love to see..if we must smear videos of people doing things poorly across the web..is videos of these people with problem loaders DRIVING them.

                There we may find answers to why even horses who generally load without issues give their human 'the hoof' and refuse to get back on.
                Good point - and then there is the whole front-facing vs rear-facing issue. Quite a lot of research has been done on the stresses of travelling horses, using heart rate monitors and cortisol assays. The amazing thing, to me, is how some horses can survive an accident in a trailer - which one would think would be pretty traumatic! - with just a few scrapes, and yet load without difficulty the next time. I can't believe it's down to proper training. Rather, it's as if they fail to connect in their mind the process of entering the trailer with what happens inside once loaded.

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                • #188
                  Originally posted by Alagirl View Post
                  The Broccoli Bat?
                  Waffle Bat. For when your horse is waffling between doing right and doing wrong....
                  Owned by a Paint/TB and an OTTB.
                  RIP Scoutin' For Trouble ~ 2011 at 10
                  RIP Tasha's Last Tango ~ 2010 at ~23
                  RIP In Sha' Allah ~ 2009 too young at 5

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                  • #189
                    Originally posted by EquineImagined View Post
                    Waffle Bat. For when your horse is waffling between doing right and doing wrong....

                    I like waffles.

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                    • #190
                      Originally posted by Alagirl View Post
                      I like waffles.
                      Me too...but if we call it a Wiffle Waffle Iron..people may confuse it for a type of stirrup or branding
                      Owned by a Paint/TB and an OTTB.
                      RIP Scoutin' For Trouble ~ 2011 at 10
                      RIP Tasha's Last Tango ~ 2010 at ~23
                      RIP In Sha' Allah ~ 2009 too young at 5

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                      • #191
                        Waffle is perfect. Then you can market it in fun colors. Blue (or purple?) can be the blueberry waffle....

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                        • #192
                          Originally posted by trubandloki View Post
                          Waffle is perfect. Then you can market it in fun colors. Blue (or purple?) can be the blueberry waffle....

                          Now that's just abusive and traumatic to the target audience who unfortunately knows what that is.....
                          Owned by a Paint/TB and an OTTB.
                          RIP Scoutin' For Trouble ~ 2011 at 10
                          RIP Tasha's Last Tango ~ 2010 at ~23
                          RIP In Sha' Allah ~ 2009 too young at 5

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                          • #193
                            Originally posted by EquineImagined View Post
                            Now that's just abusive and traumatic to the target audience who unfortunately knows what that is.....
                            I'm very glad I'm not the only one who made that dreadfully disgusting connection. That's worse abuse than the original video!!
                            You can't fix stupid.... but you can breed it!

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                            • #194
                              Originally posted by EquineImagined View Post
                              What I would love to see..if we must smear videos of people doing things poorly across the web..is videos of these people with problem loaders DRIVING them.
                              No joke!

                              I had a horse who really loaded pretty well until our regular hauler at the time had a prior engagement and recommended one of his friends. That man's driving We'd warn him way ahead of time that a turn was coming up, but he'd still slam on the brakes at what seemed like the last possible second. It was awful. Took ages to re-teach that poor horse to load again after that.

                              I don't take my horses off farm all that often, really, but it's so worth having my own rig to not have to go through that again.

                              And I love my trailer. I bought it when I was showing my Belgian Draft horse, so it's huge and tall and airy, and most horses walk right in like it's just a big stall above the ground.

                              I don't think it's a factor in this particular instance, but I also think that some horses are "problem loaders" because people are trying to stuff them into trailers they don't fit in.

                              And the waffle bat made me LOL
                              "In order to really enjoy a dog, one doesn’t merely train him to be semi-human. The point of it is to open oneself to the possibility of becoming part dog."
                              -Edward Hoagland

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                              • #195
                                Hi Guys, just for an update on what's really going on. Alphabae (Erica) had the video played on the Channel3000 news last night, complete with an interview of Erica at her home farm.

                                http://www.channel3000.com/news/Hors...z/-/index.html

                                Things are getting out of control. While Erica is no longer actively harassing the trainer, she's set the stage for the 'public' to do the work for her. The trainer is being horribly harassed and has received threats to her safety. She has a mare that is about to foal out at a barn nearby who she cannot visit because she is scared of the people who have congregated there to intimidate and harass her. Her reputation and her business are ruined. I understand that some of you may say that she has brought this upon herself, but she is a good horse person and a very giving, honest, and hardworking person in general. Some time ago she lent me her truck and trailer without ever having met me before, because I needed to get a horse out of a bad situation quickly. A few days ago she made a mistake in judgement, and willingly admits it and is embarassed for it... but she absolutely does not deserve the wrath of what this woman Erica has unleashed against her.

                                The treatment she is receiving is undeserved and should not be tolerated. I personally have contacted the news station to explain the harm that their media is causing in this case, and if this continues to escalate, I plan to contact the police, to re-iterate my concern for her personal safety. While I don't particularly love getting involved in these types of situations and am not closely involved with this trainer, I feel as though allowing this persecution to continue sets a precedent- If Erica can get away with destroying this trainer's livelihood and sense of safety in her community, who is she going to target next in her search for attention and admiration?
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                                • #196
                                  For a creative writer possession of the "truth" is less important than emotional sincerity.



                                  Who said that?



                                  George Orwell

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                                  • #197
                                    Originally posted by JSjumper View Post
                                    A few days ago she made a mistake in judgement, and willingly admits it and is embarassed for it...
                                    I am glad she has acknowledged it was a mistake. Other trainers (I won't name names) haven't been so forthright about their mistakes.

                                    but she absolutely does not deserve the wrath of what this woman Erica has unleashed against her.
                                    Absolutely not. Things have gone too far, I agree. It has also become clear that Alphabae's motives are questionable.

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                                    • #198
                                      Originally posted by fburton View Post
                                      Absolutely not. Things have gone too far, I agree. It has also become clear that Alphabae's motives are questionable.
                                      Yes! If this is not a personal vendetta against this trainer then it clearly Alpahbae's selfish desire to become the person of the moment while not caring who she has to ruin on her way to the top.

                                      Sigh!

                                      Very sad.

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                                      • #199
                                        Well if she wasn't waling on her horse to load her into the trailer -wiffle bat or not - she wouldn't be the target of this either so I'd say she has a bit of skin in the game to right? Just like I would have thought better of her at the show if she'd realized she was losing it, and stepped back for a breath, she could have done a nice public mea culpa.

                                        The little news interview apparently attempted to contact her to no avail. If she'd taken the opportunity to have her say and just said, "Yeah, that was bad. I lost it a bit. Let's be realistic; who hasn't just gotten really really angry like that, but what I should have done was walk away. Let me just say thought that what's not fair is that my contact information is being used to harass me for a mistake I made." or something to that effect she'd have made points.

                                        Just the other day on NPR someone was interviewing a crisis consultant and the consultant said that the most critical and most difficult step is facing the truth and reality of your screw up, but that it is necessary in order to move on.

                                        What she did was wrong. You call yourself a trainer then you should have certain qualities. You don't need to be perfect, but you do need to be smarter than that.

                                        And this has nothing to do with her being a good person or a bad person. The judgement is not on her, but on her action. Her action was bad. Look, the only place people exist as either pure good or pure evil is in fictionland. So while her personality my be akin to godly, I wouldn't leave her my horse to train because her behavior seems to say she lacks a certain insight I would desire in an animal trainer.

                                        JMO of course.
                                        Paula
                                        He is total garbage! Quick! Hide him on my trailer (Petstorejunkie).

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                                        • #200
                                          Originally posted by katarine View Post
                                          For a creative writer possession of the "truth" is less important than emotional sincerity.



                                          Who said that?



                                          George Orwell
                                          So true, this is so far over the top.
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