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  • #41
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by chai:
    Chanter, I don't think you deserve flames. In fact, I agree with you. I have been a volunteer in Hippotherapy and Therapeutic Horseback riding for many years and imho, it is an amazing thing for children with special challenges. Horses do work magic with autistic children, but buying a foal for a 10 year old autistic child is just irresponsible. If that man is an MD, he should have enough smarts to know that owning a horse is not like owning a dog. He should have done his homework before buying his child any kind of horse or pony.

    <span class="ev_code_GREEN">Thank you for putting my perspective far better than I could. Kind of scary that a man that lacks good judgement to this degree is practicing medicine on humans. </span>

    imho, he should feel guilty, as he is responsible for the tragic and unnecessary death of that foal.
    </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    <span class="ev_code_GREEN">Again, agreed. Had he done his homework and not made such an ill-advised purchase, the foal would very probably still be alive. </span>
    In loving memory of Laura Jahnke.
    A life lived by example, done too soon.
    www.caringbridge.org/page/laurajahnke/

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    • #42
      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by bauhaus:
      But I'm stuck on trying to figure out how a colt dies from a "blanket" accident? I've literally never heard of any horse who died or was even seriously injured b/c of getting tangled in a blanket. I'm fairly cavalier about blanketing all who need one when it's cold without much regard to whether they're going to get hurt. And in 25 years of owning many horses of all ages, shapes and sizes I've never had any more than maybe a swollen leg due to getting tangled in a blanket. The primary reason being: the blankets rip and are much less tough than the horse! Has anyone else ever had or heard of a problem with, perhaps, the newer ultra tough and horse-proof blankets actually hurting a horse if he gets it in a tangle? That's the only way I can imagine that this colt was killed due to his blanket. And honestly it gives me a bit of pause in regards to using the ultra tough blankets on young ones.... I never gave it a second thought before this. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

      <span class="ev_code_GREEN">Excellent question. And another comes to mind - is the doctor sure that it was indeed the blanket that killed the foal? I mean, it isn't like the man has such a wealth of knowledge of horses that he couldn't have mistaken the COD, unless it was obvious. </span>
      In loving memory of Laura Jahnke.
      A life lived by example, done too soon.
      www.caringbridge.org/page/laurajahnke/

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      • #43
        I'm sure the death was purely an accident, BUT....

        I'm equally sure that this well-educated man would not have bought a stereo, automobile, or lawnmower, or refrigerator (!) without researching first. So I just don't buy the "just didn't know any better. Like buying a puppy for a kid...." argument.

        Certainly a middle-aged pony would have been a more appropriate choice, and a quick perusal of something like "Horses for Dummies" would have informed him of that.

        Very sad.

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        • #44
          So, to those who are ripping this doctor a new one -- the next time you come crying to this board about how your horse has this or that or the other thing wrong and begging for "jingles" because the outlook is not good, should we take your current postion that you are useless POS that should never have been allowed to have horses in the first place because OBVIOUSLY, anybody with two brain cells to rub together would NEVER have that sort of thing happen to them?

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          • #45
            Get out of my head, greysandbays.

            Sheesh, folks- ever had a heart anywhere except on a plate?

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            • #46
              Exactly. You CAN'T just know horses are dangerous, and hard to care for. That is why there is so many Equine Liability Laws being put into the books. Because JURIES kept finding the horse owner liable if little suzie ran up behind the horse, on the horse owners property, and got kicked. JURIES made up of educated people think that horses are no different than other DOMESTICATED animals. WE know they react more like WILD animals, but no one else does.

              "The waiver shall give notice to the participant of the risks inherent in equine activities, including (i) the propensity of an equine to behave in dangerous ways which may result in injury to the participant; (ii) the inability to predict an equine's reaction to sound, movements, objects, persons, or animals; and (iii) hazards of surface or subsurface conditions."

              You have to let people KNOW this, because it is NOT common sense.

              OF COURSE a baby would be less dangerous than a mature horse. That is 100% TRUE!!!

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              • #47
                Maybe it's just me, but I get a creepy feeling when someone, anyone, is given a pass because "they didn't know" something was dangerous.

                I realize that the vast majority of the posters here are highly experienced horse people, and that we have a different perspective from those folks who think that Disney is the best source of knowledge of equine behaviour. But I should think that as a parent, one would presumably do a little research into buying a pet for one's child, no matter how large or small. And for an autistic child, I should think that that research would be even more intense than for a so-called "normal" child. Jeez, every parent I know that wanted to get a family puppy agonized and researched out the wazoo about which breeds were most compatible with young children, in order to best insure the safety of their kids. And this highly educated man decides that a several-hundred-pound, hard-hooved, harder-toothed baby horse is a good option for his challenged child? Sorry, but you don't have to have specialized knowlege of horses to know that anything young that outweighs your kid several times over is NOT a great option for a pet. This man should have known better - simple common sense.

                I just hope he won't go out and buy another one, for his child's sake.
                In loving memory of Laura Jahnke.
                A life lived by example, done too soon.
                www.caringbridge.org/page/laurajahnke/

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                • #48
                  Man, there sure is a lot of extrapolation going on from chocomare's original post! She had the good grace and sense to spare everyone details that are nobody's business anyhow, but that doesn't seemed to have stopped the speculators!
                  Click here before you buy.

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                  • #49
                    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by deltawave:
                    Wow, kinda harsh, Chanter. Just because someone is a doctor and accustomed to making informed decisions doesn't make them omniscient or anything less than HUMAN.

                    <span class="ev_code_GREEN">Of course you're allowed to be human. But using one's humanity as an excuse for laziness/negligence is frowned upon, however. </span>

                    I'm a doctor, make important decisions every day, and wouldn't have the FIRST CLUE on how to (for instance) do a proper job of flying an airplane, tending to a salt water aquarium, or helping a cow deliver a too-big calf. I hope to God nobody would judge my medical skills by that admission.

                    <span class="ev_code_GREEN">No one is saying that. But I'd be willing to bet that if you were called upon to do any of the aforementioned, you'd either A) research the hell out of it prior to doing it or B) simply decline. That's what smart, educated people like doctors do. </span>

                    To err is human. To err BIG TIME is human. To suffer for it is human, too. Tell me you've never made a bad or poorly informed decision that hurt someone else, then tell me where you live and I will come bow at your feet. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                    <span class="ev_code_GREEN">Of course we all have made poor decisions. But you have to admit, this one is a biggie, and could easily have been avoided had the gentleman in question used his evidently formidable brain outside his medical practice.

                    JMO. </span>
                    In loving memory of Laura Jahnke.
                    A life lived by example, done too soon.
                    www.caringbridge.org/page/laurajahnke/

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                    • #50
                      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by deltawave:
                      Man, there sure is a lot of extrapolation going on from chocomare's original post! She had the good grace and sense to spare everyone details that are nobody's business anyhow, but that doesn't seemed to have stopped the speculators! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                      I don't know about that. I don't think you have to extrapolate much to figure out that a doctor made a silly mistake that could have cost his child his health/safety. That's pretty obvious. I don't think anyone's trying to blame the doc for putting a blanket on the foal, or that it presumably died from that. That's an accident, pure and simple. But what makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up is the probability that his child would have been injured by this foal. I don't think you'd find much sympathy for the good doctor after that.
                      In loving memory of Laura Jahnke.
                      A life lived by example, done too soon.
                      www.caringbridge.org/page/laurajahnke/

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                      • #51
                        He put a BLANKET on a COLD FOAL for heaven's sake. We don't know lots of things, such as, perhaps he had a trainer, or instructor, maybe he KNEW how to put the blanket on, etc etc.

                        We do know, however, that the guy is heartbroken,"He feels like he's committed murder.."

                        So if Chocomare had said "A friend just got a new foal and blanketed it because it was cold out, and came out in the morning to find it was dead..."

                        I bet everyone wouldn't have just pounced on this dude.

                        No, I'm not saying it makes it OKAY, but heck, accidents happen to all of us, regardless of how much we know.

                        I agree, though, that a foal for an autistic child isn't the brightest of ideas, but the REASON he purchased the horse isn't linked to WHAT Happened, or what the guy had learned how to do with the foal.

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                        • #52
                          Do you mean to say that this is the first reported case of someone buying an inappropriate pet for their child? Or the first known case of something very tragic happening?

                          I honestly fail to see how everyone can just make the assumptions they are making (about his ignorance, what happened to the foal, how "inappropriate" it was, etc.) from chocomare's original post!! Maybe he had a trainer, maybe he had horses when he was younger, maybe someone talked HIM into buying the foal, maybe the foal colicked for heaven's sake.

                          Oy vey already with the speculating...you've even got ME doing it!
                          Click here before you buy.

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                          • #53
                            Autistic children are bright & capable. And people buy weanling WILD ponies all the time at a certain famous pony swim for their kids. Maybe the Dr saved this foal from slaughter at an auction. Maybe he did have an experienced trainer that helped them choose. Maybe the kid had been in a lesson program. Maybe a friend/councelor WITH an autistic child told him about the success of others with having these kids take care of a foal.

                            I won't blanket a foal for this very reason, but LOTS of very experienced breeders do.

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                            • #54
                              <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Maybe a friend/councelor WITH an autistic child told him about the success of others with having these kids take care of a foal.
                              </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                              Another poster knew of TWO autistic children who had done well with foals. Does that seem like an unusual coincidence? Perhaps there is some sort of bond with autistic children and foals (even if it is not widely known). That's as reasonable a suggestion as a lot of the stuff that's being thrown around here -- you'd think the doctor had thrown his child naked into the stall with the foal. Amazing reactions... I am just shaking my head.
                              Shall I tell you what I find beautiful about you? You are at your very best when things are worst.
                              Starman

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                              • #55
                                I have a son (4 years old) who has been diagnosed in the autistic spectrum, and my son has a yearling welsh foal. He's had him since the foal was weaned. Of course I would never let him be with his pony unattended (or even not in my arms!), but I see nothing wrong with having a fancy pony baby growing up at the same time as my son. My son WILL NOT be the one training the pony and the pony poses no more of a threat than any other horse. No horse is 100% predictable, and having a "bombproof" horse just means you let your guard down. My son knows that "horsie toes can hurt" and I am always on guard when he is around the horses, but he wouldn't learn if he wasn't exposed.

                                I wouldn't trust this pony foal with my son's life, but I also wouldn't trust a 25 year old quarter horse with his life either. He's too important to me.

                                I'm an educated person, and I have been involved with horses for over 20 years. I don't think that buying a foal for an autistic child is inherently a bad decision, especially not knowing all the facts in the case. I would be devestated if I was this gentleman and these posts were about me.
                                Amanda J. Pennington
                                Caravel Sporthorses (and Clinics)
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                                • #56
                                  Some of you people need to get off your high horses. It was an ACCIDENT. ACCIDENTS happen. It is unfortunate to happen but it did. My mom bought me my first horse when I was 15. She knew nothing and neither did I. I went to a SELF CARE boarding stable. I had zero knowledge. My mom bought me an untrained, wild 2 yr old filly. I learned, with time and help how to properly care for her. Stop ragging on the guy. Not everyone grew up in horsey families. A whole lot of us have learned our lessons the hard way. Oh and I made a very stupid, lack-of-knowledge mistake with that filly. Fortunately she healed because I have NEVER forgiven myself for being so stupid. I also never made the mistake again. It was one of those hard lessons some of us have to learn along the road of life. So get off the docs back. And I am not a dumb person. I have a great education behind me now. Education does not equate working knowledge.

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                                  • #57
                                    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RainDancer:
                                    Education does not equate working knowledge. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                    Clearly.
                                    In loving memory of Laura Jahnke.
                                    A life lived by example, done too soon.
                                    www.caringbridge.org/page/laurajahnke/

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                                    • #58
                                      One has to ask what the doctor was going to do with a 6 month old foal and his AUTISTIC son?! There is no way that this match would have ever worked, unless the child was only going to watch the foal from afar. It is obvious that the child would have been physically harmed. It is sad that the doctor made an unfortunate mistake of blanketing the foal, though. As many ahev already mentioned, I fault the person who SOLD him the foal. Obviously, money, once again, speaks louder than words.

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                                      • #59
                                        OK, come on you guys... every *one* of us knows that horses will find amazing ways to hurt themselves despite the best efforts of their owners.

                                        THAT said, lets think about what the Dr does for a living... he most likely LIVES at work.

                                        He is probably so engrossed in his work that his brain is only halfway into getting the horse in the first place.

                                        As many others have said, at least they were trying to do the right thing and blanketed the foal. It is cold this time of year in many places.

                                        Lets face facts: Horses do their best to kill themselves. A person who has no knowledge of horses, and has no time, may make a bad decision. He probably realized this after the fact.

                                        Lets get real... lets hope it doesn't turn him off completely so he never allows his kid who could use an appropriate horse to learn/feel what a horse is. Thats the most sad part.

                                        If anyone was at fault it was the foals breeder who sold the foal to them. THAT is the person that should know this was not a good situation.

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                                        • #60
                                          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">One has to ask what the doctor was going to do with a 6 month old foal and his AUTISTIC son?! There is no way that this match would have ever worked, unless the child was only going to watch the foal from afar. It is obvious that the child would have been physically harmed. It is sad that the doctor made an unfortunate mistake of blanketing the foal, though. As many ahev already mentioned, I fault the person who SOLD him the foal. Obviously, money, once again, speaks louder than words. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


                                          I'm sorry, I just had to comment on this real quick because I have been working with an 8 year old autistic boy for over a year, and how can you say the match wouldn't work?? Autistic children that are at a low functionality level have TSS workers, that are there with them unless they are asleep, 7 days a week. They are trained in all different kinds of therapy, so how do you know that the agency working for this family didn't suggest this as being an emotional outlet for the child? The family I worked for was told to get their son a goat. They did, the goat and boy are best friends, grew up together, and the boy has blossomed as a result of having his special friend, so please dont make assumptions about things you do not have knowledge about.

                                          And as several others have said, this was an accident. It was terrible, but terrible accidents happen everyday, even to HUMAN babies. Should we tell the next person that has a baby die from SIDS that they were unfit to be a parent?
                                          Strong promoter of READING the entire post before responding.

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