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Why, Oh Why, Do People Do This? :(

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  • #21
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chanter:
    Personally, I do hold the DOCTOR greatly responsible in this tragic & hideous death. He is a highly educated man that society renders capable to make highly informed & qualified decisions. His lack of overall common sense & lack of self education before proceeding into this entire matter is appalling. I pray I never get him as a Doctor. I would be afraid of what he did not take the time to educate himself in regard to.
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    He bought a foal from a seller who sold him, an inexperienced looking-to-buy horse owner who I am willing to bet said when looking at horse "I want to buy a horse for my 10 year old autistic child", a foal. He also bought the foal a foal blanket. He put said blanket on horse, a tragic ACCIDENT happened and the foal got caught up and ended up dead. The fact that because of an accident that very well could have happened to ANYONE, and that you know nothing about the man, you are trashing his ability as a doctor is not only harsh but rather disgusting.
    I'm sure you've never had accidents every happen to you, and that everything you do is perfect. :rolleyes
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    • #22
      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">He bought a foal from a seller who sold him, an inexperienced looking-to-buy horse owner who I am willing to bet said when looking at horse "I want to buy a horse for my 10 year old autistic child", a foal. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


      I would bet 100 lifetimes he did not say this to the seller. Even if he did, he is the adult, the parent, a Doctor no less, the one responsible for his child's safety, even more to the point his austic child's safety.

      DR CARDIOLOGIST, I do have words for you, but it is way past the bedtime of we mere stall cleaners.

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      • #23
        People like that are the reason horse people get a bad rap.That's terrible. I'm sure it's all about the $$$$.
        \"Dirty Rotten Stay Up All Nighter\"

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        • #24
          I'm sorry for all involved, except the seller unless he was grossly misinformed about who he was selling the colt to. I agree with hobie cat - the Dr. was trying to keep the colt warm and honestly who can blame him for putting a blanket on his horse when it got cold, assuming it fit.

          But I'm stuck on trying to figure out how a colt dies from a "blanket" accident? I've literally never heard of any horse who died or was even seriously injured b/c of getting tangled in a blanket. I'm fairly cavalier about blanketing all who need one when it's cold without much regard to whether they're going to get hurt. And in 25 years of owning many horses of all ages, shapes and sizes I've never had any more than maybe a swollen leg due to getting tangled in a blanket. The primary reason being: the blankets rip and are much less tough than the horse! Has anyone else ever had or heard of a problem with, perhaps, the newer ultra tough and horse-proof blankets actually hurting a horse if he gets it in a tangle? That's the only way I can imagine that this colt was killed due to his blanket. And honestly it gives me a bit of pause in regards to using the ultra tough blankets on young ones.... I never gave it a second thought before this.

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          • #25
            Chanter, I don't think you deserve flames. In fact, I agree with you. I have been a volunteer in Hippotherapy and Therapeutic Horseback riding for many years and imho, it is an amazing thing for children with special challenges. Horses do work magic with autistic children, but buying a foal for a 10 year old autistic child is just irresponsible. If that man is an MD, he should have enough smarts to know that owning a horse is not like owning a dog. He should have done his homework before buying his child any kind of horse or pony.
            imho, he should feel guilty, as he is responsible for the tragic and unnecessary death of that foal.
            Check out this site for accredited therapeutic/hippotherapy farms:http://www.narha.org/

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            • #26
              I have to agree with hobie cat here. While the purchase of a colt for an autistic child was wrong, the situation that caused the death of the colt was an accident.

              Last February my landlord had a very young filly that was shivering despite a heat lamp in her stall. I put a foal blanket on her. It didn't fit perfectly, but I saw it as a better alternative to her shivering all night. If that filly had been injured because of the blanket, I would have felt terrible, but I don't think it means I shouldn't be in charge of the filly; it would have been an accident.

              Chocomare, please let the doctor know that accidents happen even to the most experienced horsepeople. What happened wasn't his fault.

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              • #27
                The poor man And the poor foal

                He went in it with good intentions and it just turned out horribly wrong. I agree with hobie cat; it was an accident. A horrible accident that could have been avoided (but aren't all accidents avoidable?), but still an accident
                In my opinion, a horse is the animal to have. 1300 pounds of raw muscle, power, grace, and sweat between your legs - it's something you just can't get from a pet hamster.

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                • #28
                  chai-

                  Maybe the man should've known better than to buy a foal for his child - however - I would not hold him responsible for the foal's death. Like many others said.. it WAS an accident.

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                  • #29
                    I am a responsible and knowledgeable horse person. I have foals about the same age as the one being discussed. In a different climate or situation, I might very well be blanketing them now. I would have had no expectation of my foal having problems with the blanket that could lead to injury never mind death.

                    I think the foal's death is a completely different topic from the foal's purchase, which was ill-advised. But there's so much we can't know because of the tragic and untimely death... maybe after two more days, the father would have gotten someone in to work with the foal (maybe along with the son)... maybe he would have sold the foal if he was educated by others about what a poor choice it was... maybe dumb luck would have prevailed and the boy and colt would have grown up together as the best of pals. And maybe it would have been a disaster. But all we have now is speculation because of a very sad accident.
                    Shall I tell you what I find beautiful about you? You are at your very best when things are worst.
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                    • #30
                      Back to Chocomare's question, I'm not up on my Ga geography, but here are the listings I could come up with:
                      Georgia Hippotherapists
                      Theraputic riding centers... although I could only get them under the search criteria "learning disability"... 'autism' yeilded no results.

                      I did a lot of research for a communication project last semester on the benefits of Hippotherapy for autistics, and it looks promising... although, not enough research has really been done yet to differentiate between hippotherapy (equine-assisted physical therapy) and therapeutic riding in terms of success rates.
                      If the child is a mild autistic, one of the NARHA sites that takes learning disabled children may feel comfortable teaching him.
                      From what I've read, animal contact and especially riding seems to help bring autistic children out of their "inner fortress" and back into connecting with the world around them.

                      Good on you for trying to find some positive way out of a really unfortunate situation. Good luck.
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                      • #31
                        What an awful and unfortunate ACCIDENT. We don't know the whole story, so who has the right to place blame on the doctor or seller? The seller could have lived down the road or the doctor could have a neighbor experienced w/ horses that offered to help and teach them along the way. What's done is done and now the doctor and his son are having to deal w/ it and will hopefully learn from it. He had good intentions that went bad.

                        I hope you're able to turn this into something good for them, chocomare.

                        L.
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                        • #32
                          A couple of questions..

                          How did the foal die from a blanket? Did it accidently get hung up on something?

                          If that is the case, isn't that the kind of freak case that could happen to anyone?

                          From the facts presented, I don't see how you can draw the conclusion that the foal's death is neccesarily a result of the inexperience on the part of the doctor.
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                          • #33
                            People just don't have ANY idea that foals (horses) are different then dogs, lambs, goats, etc. They are totally clueless. How COULD they just "know"?? There is nothing that acts like a horse, panics if trapped, no sense of self preservation, can't handle slightly different feeds, etc, etc, etc. Most people buy the puppy, and THEN the book on how to take care of it in a week or 2 OR then expect the vet to make sure they "get" what they need to keep them healthy, tell them changes to make, etc. . Buying a foal would SEEM the RIGHT thng to buy a kid rather than a "full grown" horse to someone that didn't know anything about horses.

                            One of my boarders was once told by a cop (as he ticketed her for going too slow on a rural back road) that "horses are NOT afraid of cars lady - my family had horses when I was a kid, they are just not afraid of that kind of thing" A few horses were walking about 1/2 a mile down the road to a show, and she was following them to make sure a car didn't come up on them fast/ kept some distance. She told him she was trying to make sure a horse didn't get spooked, and jump out in front of a car.

                            On the seller point...maybe the foal was purchased at a sale/auction. People that don't know anythng probably would go to a sale instead of a breeder.

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                            • #34
                              The other thought I had was they probably didn't have any idea of the kinds of things in a corral/shed that could hurt a foal/horse either. Hooks to tie the foal? Low hanging haynets? long bolts to hang gates on that can catch on halters/blankets? boy THIS list could be HUGE....

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                              • #35
                                I just wonder if the thread would have taken a totally different direction if the OP (to whom I mean no offense, I know the post was genuine and heartfelt and SAD) had posted about a retired mailman who had bought a miniature horse for his ailing wife who'd always loved horses and the mini had gotten accidentally killed because of some sad incident. Seems like a lot of "buttons" got pushed because it was a) a foal, b) an autistic kid, and c) a doctor who bought the foal.

                                Accidents happen all the time. Ignorance is probably responsible for more horse suffering than anything else. Yet once upon a time every single person who posts here knew NOTHING about horses, too.
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                                • #36
                                  So sad, but I don't think the doctor deserves to be trashed for blanketing his foal, assuming the blanket was properly made and fit well.

                                  I'm not big on blanketing horses at all--mine are outside with loose housing for shelter 24/7, and they have their natural winter coats to keep them warm. However, last winter I had an early foal, born into -35 degree temperatures, and she was blanketed day and night for the first few weeks of life. Her newborn size blankets were home made affairs, custom fit for her & held on with duct tape--later the tape was replaced with velcro. The smallest bought blanket I had for her had the surcingle buckles replaced with velcro, allowing for a more snug fit....I did my best to make sure she couldn't get her feet hung up in any part of the blanket or surcingle, and that the blanket stayed in place & did not twist or ride up....but if some freak thing had happened so that my baby was injured or killed because of the blanket, sure, I'd have felt horribly guilty, but it wouldn't have made me a horrible, owner that shouldn't ever have owned a foal...I can just imagine what y'all would have had to say about me if I'd left a little newborn foal to shiver in that kind of cold. Heater in the barn wasn't an option for us--I fear barn fires more than I fear a foal hanging itself with a well fitting blanket...

                                  I personally wouldn't even flame the doctor for buying a foal. I've known two cases where an autistic child bonded wonderfully with a foal and made out perfectly fine with the foal--it does depend on a few factors I guess, but I don't think the original post offered enough detail for people here to judge.

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                                  • #37
                                    Luvinfoofy, I am not being heartless. I do feel sorry that the doctor is now feeling terrible about the horrible death the foal suffered. But if you think about the op's post, it sounds like he didn't do any basic homework or ask any horse people about the possible dangers to both his child and the foal before bringing home a 6 month old colt. I am angry that the poor foal suffered such a horrible and possibly slow death because if the op is correct, that man didn't take the time to learn about basic horse management or even flip through the yellow pages to get some advice before bringing home such a potentially dangerous pet for his autistic child.
                                    While I think it's wonderful that Annetta knows two autistic children that bonded well with colts, there is still the element of danger putting any child together with a young colt without knowledgable supervision. I'm just glad that the child wasn't hurt.

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                                    • #38
                                      Even horsey people make mistakes I came to the barn a few days ago to find the leg straps removed from my gelding's blanket. The turnout person told me she had a bad experience with a pony who got caught up in leg straps. So she thought they were unsafe! If you ask me, no leg straps is a lot more unsafe as the blanket could fly up over his head. So even people who should know better, don't always.
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                                        #39
                                        Hopefully I'll hear from the doctor this week. I won't bother to ask him about details because in the grand scheme of things, they don't matter.

                                        I just want to help him get his son into a therapeutic riding program and offer any assistance I can to educate him about horses.
                                        <>< Sorrow Looks Back. Worry Looks Around. Faith Looks Up! -- Being negative only makes a difficult journey more difficult. You may be given a cactus, but you don't have to sit on it.

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                                        • #40
                                          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chanter:
                                          Personally, I do hold the DOCTOR greatly responsible in this tragic & hideous death. He is a highly educated man that society renders capable to make highly informed & qualified decisions. His lack of overall common sense & lack of self education before proceeding into this entire matter is appalling. I pray I never get him as a Doctor. I would be afraid of what he did not take the time to educate himself in regard to.

                                          Neither do I deem the seller a saint.

                                          Just my very appalled opinion, over the very traumatic death of an innocent animal.
                                          </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                          <span class="ev_code_PURPLE">Wholeheartedly agree. This man managed to go through four years of college, God-knows-how-many years of medical school, has an autistic child that may not be responsible for its own actions and he buys a FOAL for the child to play with?!?!?!? How does someone get through that much schooling with that much knowledge at their disposal and not have any common sense, or use it? Don't get me wrong - I feel for the man and know he was only trying to do right by the foal by blanketing it, but why the hell did he have it in the first place? And at home?!?!? WTF? </span>
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