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  • #81
    I think Buffalo Soldier is a good name that would more tend to remind folks of a courageous group of men than to offend. PC can be taken too far and IMHO those few that would choose to be offended by this name are the sort of prigs I wouldn't want to be associated with, anyway. But, please, don't nickname him "Buffy."

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    • #82
      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by cbv:
      [QUOTE]Originally posted by ClemsonGraduateRider:
      Feeling like you have to stick to other people's PC standards all the time takes the fun out of life. You know you don't mean it as anything other than naming a horse after a song you like, do it and don't look back.

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      Actually I think Heather is just applying what I was raised (in the southern US at that) to consider good manners...caring about how one's actions or words might impact another's feelings. It would certainly be easier not to bother sometimes, but it tends to make the world a better place more often than not. Something I applaud her for whatever she decides to do.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

      I realize that, and I certainly don't go out of my way to offend people on purpose. But I also feel that being "PC" has been taken way too far when we are afraid to name our horses after song we like, a song that apparently is widely loved and applauded, because the horse happens to be a color which may cause the stray hyper-sensitive person to scream RACISM.

      I don't believe in doing things just to give people a reason to cry "PC" offender but I also refuse to give up things that will make me happy just because I am afriad one person may consider it off colour.

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      • #83
        Yeah, PC blows. What do you guys think of the name "Cracker" for a light gray horse?

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        • #84
          Another vote for Buffalo Soldier!

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          • #85
            <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ClemsonGraduateRider:
            <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by cbv:
            [QUOTE]Originally posted by ClemsonGraduateRider:
            Feeling like you have to stick to other people's PC standards all the time takes the fun out of life. You know you don't mean it as anything other than naming a horse after a song you like, do it and don't look back.

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            Actually I think Heather is just applying what I was raised (in the southern US at that) to consider good manners...caring about how one's actions or words might impact another's feelings. It would certainly be easier not to bother sometimes, but it tends to make the world a better place more often than not. Something I applaud her for whatever she decides to do.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

            I realize that, and I certainly don't go out of my way to offend people on purpose. But I also feel that being "PC" has been taken way too far when we are afraid to name our horses after song we like, a song that apparently is widely loved and applauded, because the horse happens to be a color which may cause the stray hyper-sensitive person to scream RACISM.

            I don't believe in doing things just to give people a reason to cry "PC" offender but I also refuse to give up things that will make me happy just because I am afriad one person may consider it off colour.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

            You know that's pretty much exactly what I was thinking about but never got around to saying in this post.

            I vote to keep Buffalo Soldier...

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            • #86
              <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hobson:
              Yeah, PC blows. What do you guys think of the name "Cracker" for a light gray horse?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

              Honestly? Because my mind doesn't operate in "be on the alert for PC offenders" mode, I probably wouldn't even get it if I heard it announced at a show. Although once I had figured it out I might laugh.

              However, I don't think that naming a horse Buffalo Soldier after a song even comes close to that analogy.

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              • #87
                <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>But, please, don't nickname him "Buffy."
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                Of course she wouldn't call him that. WE all know that Buffy is a girl, a blonde vampire slayer to be precise. But if she's looking for "Buffy" type names, I'm sure there are a couple of us on this board who can recommend a few.

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                • #88
                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ClemsonGraduateRider:
                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hobson:
                  Yeah, PC blows. What do you guys think of the name "Cracker" for a light gray horse?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                  Honestly? Because my mind doesn't operate in "be on the alert for PC offenders" mode, I probably wouldn't even get it if I heard it announced at a show. Although once I had figured it out I might laugh.
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                  How about "Honky"?

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                  • #89
                    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fleur:


                    How about "Honky"? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                    Alright Fleur, now you've got me all kinds of confused!! That one I just don't get!! See how un, un-PC I am!!!

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                    • #90
                      Oh, it means the same thing as "Cracker".

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                      • #91
                        Someone has *obviously* not been watching Sanford and Son reruns!

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                        • #92
                          HAHA - I think "honky" and for whatever reason it reminds me of rednecks. I'm sure there was a group of agriculturally minded young men at Clemson that used "Honky" as an affectionate term for their friends. As in "Hey Honky, get your truck out of my way."

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                            #93
                            Hey guys--wow, this just keeps going--yay me!

                            His barn name is Cruiser--given to him at birth and I actually love it (was the name of a dog I had a lot of fondness for)--so no Buffy! (Though I did, when I was on the visit that resulted in Cruiser's purchase, get to take several rides on a Buffy--a honkin gray Perch cross mare shown under, you guessed it, Vampire Slayer.)

                            I did just see in a results listing somehwere that there is a hunter pony named Buffalo Soldier in the Rockies. Don't know what color he is. I think I'll probably stay with Buffalo SOldier. Hubby really likes, I like it, and I just can't find another fit. I guess I'm still "nervous" but since I know in my heart I'm not using it out of hateful/rascist/offensive intentions, I will just have to know that if someone gets upset all I can do is tell them where the name came from and leave it at that.

                            Thanks so much everyone. Again, also and especially to those who disagreed with the name--you provided great balance and a lot to think about.

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                            • #94
                              I really like the name Buffalo Soldier. I say go for it.

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                              • #95
                                <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ClemsonGraduateRider:
                                I realize that, and I certainly don't go out of my way to offend people on purpose. But I also feel that being "PC" has been taken way too far when we are afraid to name our horses after song we like, a song that apparently is widely loved and applauded, because the horse happens to be a color which may cause the stray hyper-sensitive person to scream RACISM.

                                I don't believe in doing things just to give people a reason to cry "PC" offender but I also refuse to give up things that will make me happy just because I am afriad one person may consider it off colour.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



                                But here is the thing...Heather is not necessarily giving anything up. She is merely thinking through her decision because she understands that words, and names, and even song titles, have the power to hurt, so she is putting some thought into her decision.

                                I don't think it sounds like this effort has been such a burden for her, and I know I have learned something from the discussion, so it seems to me that her effort to be considerate is, all and all, a good thing....not some evil spawn of a supposed 'PC' movement.

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                                • #96
                                  cbv - I was in no way trying to paint Heather's choice to re-examine her decision in a bad light. I was giving my opinion of the situation as asked. It is of course her choice to evaluate a decision based on how she feels others might react. I however do feel as though she would be giving something up, her choice of a name for her horse, if she chose to give her horse a name other than Buffalo Soldier because there might be a very small minority who may consider it offensive.

                                  Now if she was going to name it something obviously offensive then I'm sure we would all have had a different reaction. But my take was that because Buffalo Soldier as a horses' name may only be offensive to a very small population, if that, she would be giving up her choice to name her horse something that she liked.

                                  I hope that makes sense!

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                                  • #97
                                    I guess I'm dating myself by my ignorance, I'm not familiar w/ the Bob Marley song "Buffalo Soliders" only the lovely statue up at Fort Leavenworth which honors the service of the real "Buffalo Soliders" to this country. It was dedicated by Colin Powell back in the early 90's. While he was a student at the Army War College at Leavenworth, 10 years earlier, the idea to construct a statue to honor the BS came to his mind.

                                    I don't the name could be considered racist at all- I'm in the camp of "the horse better be as good as what it's named after!"

                                    Good luck!

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                                    • #98
                                      Phew, this is a long tread, so perhpas someone else has mentioned this and I missed it, but Bob had lot's of other songs along the same lines that might be more subtle.

                                      Duppy Conqueror ( kinda military)
                                      Rebel Music could become Rebel Soldier( or anything military)

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                                      • #99
                                        I dunno but if I was really concerned about offending anyone , I'd ask a black person. a bunch of white people's opinions about what is or is not offensive to black people is not too helpful.

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                                        • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by egontoast: a bunch of white people's opinions about what is or is not offensive to black people is not too helpful.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                          Maybe I'm just not understanding correctly, that happens rather frequently, but does this mean you are assuming everyone who visits these boards is white? I, personally, am white, but I do know of a few riders who are not white. Maybe people who have answered this thread are, indeed, black. You just can't tell with the good ol' internet.

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