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  • 1921 film silent Black beauty...anyone seen it?

    Does it exist in a viewable (recoverable) form or only a number on a ledger*



    *Most lsilent films were assumed to be one season wonders and destoyed to mske room for the next seasons hits. Some were stored forgotten here and there and that is what we have left.
    A pussycat of a horse with a chewed off tail won the triple crown, The Cubs won the world series and Trump won the Presidency.
    Don't tell me 'It can't be done.'

  • #2
    Write to TCM?
    Originally posted by BigMama1
    Facts don't have versions. If they do, they are opinions
    GNU Terry Prachett

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      #3
      Thanks!

      Forgot about Turner.
      A pussycat of a horse with a chewed off tail won the triple crown, The Cubs won the world series and Trump won the Presidency.
      Don't tell me 'It can't be done.'

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      • #4
        Did a little searching for you (am a BIG classic film fan - including the silents). While it looks like a print or prints still exist, doesn't look like it's been put into a saleable format (yet). Here's a link to some info:


        http://www.silentera.com/PSFL/data/B...eauty1921.html

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        • #5
          check with the National Film Preservation Board a division of the Library of Congress
          http://www.loc.gov/film/

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            #6
            Here is the poster to it and a couple of the actors.
            http://www.whosdatedwho.com/tpx_712058/black-beauty/

            I would like to see a horse film (even silent) where the actors know what they are doing horsemanship wise.
            This film (if I can find it) was made while horses were still working for their oats so no eggregious errors like shoes on the indian ponies (Dances with wolves), dismounting by falling off the horse ( Flicka remake- she I don't remember a correct dismount the entire movie)
            A pussycat of a horse with a chewed off tail won the triple crown, The Cubs won the world series and Trump won the Presidency.
            Don't tell me 'It can't be done.'

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            • #7
              Originally posted by 5 View Post
              Here is the poster to it and a couple of the actors.
              http://www.whosdatedwho.com/tpx_712058/black-beauty/

              I would like to see a horse film (even silent) where the actors know what they are doing horsemanship wise.
              This film (if I can find it) was made while horses were still working for their oats so no eggregious errors like shoes on the indian ponies (Dances with wolves), dismounting by falling off the horse ( Flicka remake- she I don't remember a correct dismount the entire movie)
              I love those girly looks on the ladies!

              So distressed!
              Originally posted by BigMama1
              Facts don't have versions. If they do, they are opinions
              GNU Terry Prachett

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              • #8
                At least a silent Black Beauty wouldn't have those irksome fake whinnies and neighs that are de rigueur in horse movies these days.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by fburton View Post
                  At least a silent Black Beauty wouldn't have those irksome fake whinnies and neighs that are de rigueur in horse movies these days.


                  absolutely true!

                  Maybe we need more of them there old horse movies! (and they were less cheesy, too...or at least it was matched by the cheese and over acting of the people!)
                  Originally posted by BigMama1
                  Facts don't have versions. If they do, they are opinions
                  GNU Terry Prachett

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                  • #10
                    The poster says the film is better than the book. Back then, it's more likely people actually read the book ... these days not so much.

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                      #11
                      Lovely horse playing the role of Indian devil spirit horse @ :18 this clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9ZXk...feature=relmfu and # 4:03 this clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOfxS...feature=relmfu (suggestive scene) and 4:43 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOfxS...feature=relmfu

                      I will have to do research but considering the time the film was produced the locaction and the coloring and buildI suspect thate the animal that played 'Devil spirit horse' may have been Sultan the foundation Camarrillo White* stallion. Camarillo city is ~ 30 miles from Hollywood, the horse is gorgious, the movie was filmed in Bakersfield.

                      *Breed For all purposes extinct (< 20 alive and strayng from the orginal type)
                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camarillo_White_Horse
                      http://www.camarillowhitehorses.org/...te_horses.html
                      http://www.camarilloranch.org/histor...-white-horses/
                      http://www.ponynhorse.com/breed/Cama...e%20Horse.html
                      A pussycat of a horse with a chewed off tail won the triple crown, The Cubs won the world series and Trump won the Presidency.
                      Don't tell me 'It can't be done.'

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                      • #12
                        I was searching for advertising material (posters, window cards, lobby cards, etc.) for Black Beauty (1921) in preparation for a video release of it and I happened upon this thread. I hope it isn't too old to bump, I can say a bit more about the film.

                        Black Beauty was made the Vitagraph Company and released in 1921 as a seven reel feature (lasting 80-90 minutes, depending on projection speed).

                        Founded in 1897, Vitagraph was one of the first American film studios. It was also the last surviving of the pioneer studios. They continued releasing new films well into the 1920s, long after Biograph had ceased production and Edison had gone out of business entirely.

                        In 1925, one of the up and coming independent studios, Warner Bros., purchased Vitagraph. They were mainly interested in Vitagraph's extensive distribution network to release their own films through, but the purchase also included all of the Vitagraph film library. Warner Bros. re-released several recent and popular Vitagraph films in the late 1920s, sometimes theatrically, sometimes for the home movie market.

                        In 1929, Warner Bros. re-released Black Beauty in an abridged form under the title Black Bess. The abridgement ran close to two and half reels (around 30-35 minutes).

                        Today, the original 1921 release survives only in fragments. However, Black Bess, the 1929 re-release, exists complete and in good condition.

                        We (Harpodeon) have a print of the 1929 version of Black Beauty and intend to include it as part of a DVD collection with a couple other late Vitagraph films re-released by Warner Bros. The collection will likely be available in five to six months. Black Beauty individually may be available for digital download before then, but I can't guarantee that.

                        I can provide screenshots of the film, but as it hasn't been transferred to video yet, I can't offer any clips.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Harpodeon View Post
                          We (Harpodeon) have a print of the 1929 version of Black Beauty and intend to include it as part of a DVD collection with a couple other late Vitagraph films re-released by Warner Bros. The collection will likely be available in five to six months. Black Beauty individually may be available for digital download before then, but I can't guarantee that.

                          I can provide screenshots of the film, but as it hasn't been transferred to video yet, I can't offer any clips.
                          Thank you.
                          Will you be posting The Third alarm? I have been trying to get a copy of it for over a decade. Would like to see how Bullet the firehorse was harnessed up and driven by people who knew how it was done.
                          Also any old film provides a wealth of lost historical tidbits.
                          A pussycat of a horse with a chewed off tail won the triple crown, The Cubs won the world series and Trump won the Presidency.
                          Don't tell me 'It can't be done.'

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                          • #14
                            Sorry, we don't have a copy of The Third Alarm.

                            The upcoming collection will be Trumpet Island (1920), Black Beauty (1921), and Pampered Youth (1925). There aren't any horses in Trumpet, but Pampered does have a number of horse scenes. It's an adaptation of Tarkington's novel The Magnificent Ambersons.

                            This is a quick and dirty transfer, but here's most of the fox hunt scene from Black Beauty: http://youtu.be/0A8UXHp9bq0

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                            • #15
                              Wow, the things you find on COTH.... really neat clip. Thanks for posting.

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                              • #16
                                Wow, neat clip. Thank you for preserving these films. Please let us know when they are available to purchase!

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                                  #17
                                  The jumps are low but at:56, :59 you can see a lovely straight automatic release from both the astride and sidesaddle riders,
                                  Last edited by 5; May. 20, 2012, 10:03 AM.
                                  A pussycat of a horse with a chewed off tail won the triple crown, The Cubs won the world series and Trump won the Presidency.
                                  Don't tell me 'It can't be done.'

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                                  • #18
                                    Thanks so much for the clip. It's amazing. So many of the early old films are so badly damaged or don't even exist anymore, so I'm always grateful when I get to see even part of one.

                                    Thanks again! I'm adding my vote for letting us know when they become available.
                                    I loff my Quarter horse clique

                                    I kill threads dead!

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by Harpodeon View Post
                                      Sorry, we don't have a copy of The Third Alarm.

                                      The upcoming collection will be Trumpet Island (1920), Black Beauty (1921), and Pampered Youth (1925). There aren't any horses in Trumpet, but Pampered does have a number of horse scenes. It's an adaptation of Tarkington's novel The Magnificent Ambersons.

                                      This is a quick and dirty transfer, but here's most of the fox hunt scene from Black Beauty: http://youtu.be/0A8UXHp9bq0
                                      Wow, thanks for sharing! Is it okay to share the link- I see you have it posted as 'unlisted.'

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                                      • #20
                                        Yes, you can share it if you like.

                                        I'll be sure to post when the video is available.

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