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  • #21
    IMO, $50 for a group beginner lesson is too much. My coach, who is the local BNT, charges $50/lesson. That's a private (he doesn't do groups - clinics, but not groups), and definitely not beginner. I find it reasonable... but the same amount for a beginner group? I can't really justify it. In my area, lessons with the "regular" (and still knowledgeable and experienced in their own right!) instructors charge about $25-35 for group lessons.

    Sorry to hear that you had the rates change on you, and hopefully the parents will realize it's not your doing, and that it's just something that happens in the horse industry - or in any industry, really. Just wait - in a few years time, $50 will be dirt cheap.

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    • #22
      ANYTHING is worth what someone else is willing to pay for it. Therefore, if $50/lesson causes "mass exodus" of students, it's too high, as they're not willing to pay it.

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      • #23
        What Dancing Pretense said. 35 group to 40, 45 private
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        • #24
          It's possible the BO is easing out of the business or has had a signifigant increase in costs if this is a 20% hike.

          With costs for finding, buying and maintaining a suitable school string plus insurance plus paying an instructor I don't see how you could do it for less then $50 if you are also maintaining a nice facility.

          If it is less in your area, you are lucky.

          BTW mine are $35 private but on my own horse and I do my own flatwork so it's considered 30 minutes-indoor arena and full jump courses.
          When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

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          • #25
            I just recently started with a trainer to get my young horse going and she charges $20/45 minute private lesson. Time usually runs over a good bit but she won't take anything extra for it. Also, she does a free group lesson before my regularly scheduled lesson so I can bring my other horse and we get to work on things for free with him.

            The barn isn't the greatest in the area nor is it the worst. They have a big outdoor, good sized indoor and all the horses look happy and healthy.
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            • #26
              OMG. No way. I paid $50 an hour for a BNT private. Sorry, but I would never pay that for a beginner group- even with inflation. And I looked it up- Sunny starts at $50 and that goes down with the frequency of the lessons. Jill is $55 for an hour private and it goes down for groups, etc.

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                #27
                [QUOTE]Originally posted by LE:
                $50 for beginner GROUP or private? If it's group, that's a bit steep, but what does it include? How long are the lessons? Does that include half hour help prior to the lesson and after the lesson?/QUOTE]
                GROUP - Beginner to intermediate - 1 hour lesson (including warm-up - and we have an indoor )- it's Atlanta...not Alaska. Have "helpers" who tack up,etc. (teen girl horse obsessed) for me and get free ride(read: not lesson) in exchange.
                50% can tack up themselves...
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                  #28
                  JMS: I took from Sunny "back in the day" and believe me, i can ride it, but I can't teach it! That was maaaaannnnny years ago, BTW!
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                    #29
                    Along those lines...I remember showing against Terri Brown (and rebel brown) and having them kick my ass every time - but being in awe of their natural ability.
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                      #30
                      Yeah, I showed against some local legends...they kicked my ass! If only I were as talented in riding...my talents, apparently, rest in communing w/ the heese and other animasls (no, nothing religious implied).
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                      • #31
                        I just had a conversation this morning with a horse mom in the parking lot a Publix. Go figure. Anyway, we were talking about how the $ and the greed has all but ruined the horse industry. The problem is that it is VERY dicuoraging for the average parent to get their kid involved in horses on a beginner level. If the "new" beginner level is $50 an hour, then pretty soon there won't be that level. Parents will find other activities.

                        I have a dear friend who has a horse obsessed daughter. She is 6 and they are the type of parents who will let their daughter explore any interest that she has. They have looked in to lessons, but frankly, are TOTALLY turned off by the cost. Sadly, I think their story is a common one. Their only option is to take lessons through Forsyth Co Park district. I don't know how good that will be, but it sounds pretty safe and it is affordable.

                        I just used the Sunny/ Jill example because, well, they are and should be the "upper" tier. I think what your BO is doing is a d@mn shame. There is a place and a need for beginner trainers.It's sad that you all are getting weeded out of the industry.

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                        • #32
                          Guess something must be in the air. We only give private lessons but some were 1/2 hour at $25 for the little ones (some only come every other week) and $55 for an hour. My BO decided every had to take the full lesson (no more 1/2 hours) and must take every week. It just went into effect and I've lost several too. 45 min to an hour is just too long sometimes when the student is 6 or 7 they tend to have the attention span of a knat.

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                          • #33
                            "IN CT and NJ you can expect to pay $25-$35 for a group 1 hour beginner lesson. Group is 3+ people."

                            Where in NJ/what barn is that? I live in Northern NJ and I pay $50 for an hour private and $45 for semi private for my daughter. She isn't a beginner but I know the beginners pay the same.
                            Anyone up in Northern NJ that's worth any money charges at least $45 an hour.
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                            • #34
                              Originally posted by Seahorsefarmtobe:
                              I make $10 per student, BTW, and will not receive an increase, and pay my own insurance.
                              This sounds problematic to me. I do begginner lessons for my trainer, and she just raised her rates from $35 to $40 for a lesson. I get 1/3 or 1/2 of the money (depending on how many I have that day), and am covered by her insurance. Btw, the barn has an indoor and outdoor as well as a "full" (for a very small barn) string of 6 lesson ponies ("lesson" ponies that are competetive at small rated shows). And this is in central MD. Also, a beginner lesson runs about 1/2 an hour of actual riding, but it's private. And my trainer is considered at the high end for this area. So to me, $50 is a bit steep...especially if you're only keeping $10 of it.

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                              • #35
                                We pay $30 per kid for an hour lessons...whether it is group or private. It was originally semi-private...just my children. We let another child join us but price stays the same no matter who shows up. The instructor won't add anyone else without okaying it with us since it was originally our time slot. Granted, I have 3 kids so as long as 2 are riding, that is $60/hour and only one parent to deal with

                                And we used one of their school horses for several weeks while our horse trailer was out on loan to a friend.

                                I paid $25/hour for beginner group lessons at the last barn.

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                                • #36
                                  I don't know if it's the cost so much as the percentage of the raise. 20% is a big damn jump at once. Business wise, that's a risky venture. I would think twice before continuing with a facility that upped the price so quickly w/o warning.

                                  Even if rising costs dictated the need, there are ways to make it easier for people. I don't know how this barn charges, but a lot of places are doing lesson packages these days. A rate that was variable with the amount of lessons purchased seems much more appropriate. BO would get the money up front, and the consistent students wouldn't have to pay full price if they wanted to book 3 months (for example) of lessons. It's still not the best idea, but it would be more palatable. People like having choices. If they feel like they're being taken advantage of or are in dictorial control, they don't want to take it anymore. (Unless it's from an elected official )

                                  FWIW, I've never paid more than $50 for a PRIVATE hour lesson, and $15 of that was because I trailered in to use the facility. Generally I've paid $30-40 for a private lesson. I remember in pony club the group lessons were only $15. So $50? Poor form.

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                                    #37
                                    Yeah, the 20% increase is what got 'em...rates were raised a year ago from $35 to $40 (before my time). Increase w/out warning: bad
                                    BO charges for the month, in advance. If students don't pay (even if they miss the lesson) the entire ($50 now) is deducted from MY pay until I give a makeup lesson (at my expense & time - not normal lesson times) Hell, I'm just an instructor - not the money manager (I do that in my real life)...
                                    The sad thing is the two families I have w/ multiple kids (one family had 3, the other two)...
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                                    • #38
                                      Seahorse - this whole thing screams get out to me. It sounds like you are being taken adavantage of, and I don't care if you teach beginners or the friggin' BNT's themselves, you deserve better!

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                                      • #39
                                        Find other ways to make money at that barn and/or start teaching at other barns.

                                        FYI at my lesson barn it's been $20/person, group up to 6 people. This month it's finally being raised to $25, which is a high % increase at once, but $25 is still affordable. $50.00 is too much money for group lessons IMHO

                                        Can you try to convert some of these students to private sessions with you? Maybe the student would get more out of the experience for not much more money, and you wouldn't lose them.

                                        Is the BO reasonable? Can you sit down with her, asking her for help in solving what will be your and her problem? Will she be doing more promotion or advertising to fill the gaps that are now opening up? Can she help you think of ways to keep riding at this barn affordable ?
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                                        • #40
                                          Again, these rates are one hour on somebody else's school horse.
                                          I think many here are objecting based on what they pay on their private horse.

                                          School horses are expensive to the point few top AA barns fool with public programs anymore. I'd bet my barn is the only one within 100 miles with schoolies and a good public program PLUS a string at WEF.
                                          When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

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