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Fun with the book "Golden Sovereign" 1946

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  • #41
    I grew up reading Dorothy Lyons

    I LOVED these books, and I cannot remember the whole story about Golden Soverign. I only remember the part about the ragged mare she bought, nothing about the stallion. I used to have a copy of Smoke Rings, and loaned it to a friend who has never returned it! I paid a lot for it, and see from the link, they are worth quite a bit more than what I had paid even 15 years ago.
    Smoke Rings was about the teen ager who wanted to train a horse for the three day Olympic team, so she started out doing so. But alas! They didn't let girls ride 3 day back then-so she just switched to show jumping! She was getting the horse fit by riding by the side of the road, and the parents[?] or trainer would come along later with the trailer and off they would go.
    Yeah, Dorothy Lyons was one of mt favorites.
    Another killer of threads

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    • #42
      Originally posted by apcohrs View Post
      A tiny defense of the author: I don't think the genetics of palomino coloring was even guessed at when the book was written.
      That's right, even when I was in school in the mid 70s it wasn't known. Duns and Cream gene were lumped together. Duns were the "duskier" color and buckskins were the golden ones . That's why so many QH (all I'm really familiar with) were called duns when they were really buckskins. I remember hearing people talk about black horses who could throw palominos and thought that was just crazy. Now we all know that they are really smokey blacks.

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      • #43
        I LOVE Dark Sunshine. I finally located a copy on Ebay a few years ago because I'd lost mine. It was so inspiring! I named my buckskin Breyer "Sunny"!
        I realize that I'm generalizing here, but as is often the case when I generalize, I don't care. ~ Dave Barry

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        • #44
          I forgot to mention another favorite book from that era: Pamela and the Blue Mare. Followed by The Blue Mare and the Olympic Trials. Being very young and horse-less I absolutely lived through those characters.
          www.laurienberenson.com

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          • #45
            Another one who devoured these books as a kid. I'd haunt the library after school almost daily hoping against hope that maybeeeee just maybeeeee today there'd be a new horse book there that somehow I had managed to miss before. I'd sometimes get on the list and wait for certain horse books to be sent up from other libraries in the county. I especially loved Patsey Gray books, esp. Challenger, about a girl on the circuit with her grandfather h/j trainer who aspires to be a trainer herself one day and proves herself worthy by bringing along one of his clients, a girl who's her age. Today, I have a collection of old horse books from the 40's-50's in a glassed-in bookshelf. Loved those Scholastic Book lists in school as well. Some were 25 cents and some were 35 cents. I grew up and wrote a book or two for Scholastic, which really was special to me. Also wrote some teen horse books. I loved how the horse books of the 40s-60s were so filled with idealism and optimism. Now teen horse books seem to be more cynical and have world weary themes, but they're still fun to read. Yup, guess I'm a Horse Book Barn Biddy.

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            • #46
              Originally posted by LaurieB View Post
              I forgot to mention another favorite book from that era: Pamela and the Blue Mare. Followed by The Blue Mare and the Olympic Trials. Being very young and horse-less I absolutely lived through those characters.
              Loved 'em too: And a heckuva lot more accurate that D. Lyons. You could practically train a horse from the info in the 1st book! I have that one, but The Olympic Trials one - well, Paul Brown illustrations make it a rare and expensive book, one that I can't afford unless I win the lottery!! ROFLOL

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              • #47
                Originally posted by vacation1 View Post
                I know, me too! It was Somebody's Pony (aka Lost Pony in paperback) by Nancy Caffrey. She wrote a couple more books about the twin main characters.

                http://www.janebadgerbooks.co.uk/usa/nancycaffrey.html
                Oh, thanks!! Except Somebody's Pony didn't sound familiar, and the jacket from the original didn't ring a bell, but Lost Pony sounded right, & I knew it must be the same since the story rang true, and even remembered the twins' names from the description! Then saw the paperback cover, and yup, that's it!! http://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-me...e=UTF8&index=1

                OK, another one for you all. Does anyone remember the book about the girl in the circus - I even think her horse's name was Chief - she did trick riding, I think, but also remember her jumping some enormous jumps - a car perhaps?

                And there's another book - for little ones, that I loved (and bought again a few years ago! )- Clip Clop - a young horse getting his first shoes, and he imagines what they'll look like - ballet slippers? sneakers? high heels? etc., etc.
                But he thought, "This procession has got to go on." So he walked more proudly than ever, as his noblemen held high the train that wasn't there at all. H.C.Anderson

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                • #48
                  Originally posted by Happyhooves View Post
                  . I loved how the horse books of the 40s-60s were so filled with idealism and optimism. Now teen horse books seem to be more cynical and have world weary themes, but they're still fun to read. Yup, guess I'm a Horse Book Barn Biddy.
                  True, even though, as I posted above, I loved KM Peyton and her somewhat darker outcomes (Girl from Fly By Night and The Team loses interest in riding, another book tells of training a horse for the grand National and the horse actually dies during the race) some of the new YA fiction is... Troubling.

                  I guess I would rather a young kid dream of winning olympic dressage on a pink polka dot blm mustang than dream of being in a semi-abusive, sexually charged relationship with a much older cousin. Just sayin'.

                  I'm a book biddy too (I totally love reading smut, btw, so I'm a totally hypocritcal biddy, lol)

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                  • #49
                    Originally posted by CVPeg View Post
                    OK, another one for you all. Does anyone remember the book about the girl in the circus - I even think her horse's name was Chief - she did trick riding, I think, but also remember her jumping some enormous jumps - a car perhaps?
                    Was Chief an Appy? Patsey Gray did a book called Heads Up! that features a girl who rides a jumper at country fairs, and it sounds similar.

                    Originally posted by abrant View Post
                    I guess I would rather a young kid dream of winning olympic dressage on a pink polka dot blm mustang than dream of being in a semi-abusive, sexually charged relationship with a much older cousin. Just sayin'.
                    I was thinking this earlier! As much as older books contain hair-raising racism and misogyny sometimes, the lack of endless angst and relentless relevance is refreshing.

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                    • #50
                      Originally posted by Sandy M View Post
                      How times have changed: My favorite Lyons book was Harlequin Hullaballoo where one of her father;\'s (I think) mares has a....gasp!...pinto baby!! He grow up into a WONDERFULLY moving ASB gelding, BUT...the judges won't place him because of his color. So she DYES him solid chestnut, disguises herself, WINS the big class, then reveals all!! Of course, THESE days, a Pinto ASB is probably MORE valuable than a solid. ROFLO

                      Well, they probably aren't more vauable, unless you happen to be trying to buy one from Scripps Miramar Ranch but back then the discrimination against pintos was a reality. That book was written right after Oak Hill Chief, a grandson of a mustang whose half siblings were exhibited as stock horses, won the Five Gaited World's Grand Championship. He was an Overo, and the first/only pinto to win that title.

                      Back in those days, they would dye legs to even up the visual stride (WGCH My-My was shown with a dyed front sock) and dying grey horses into chestnuts with socks (Silver Rocket became The Painted Doll and resumed winning)

                      So, the author was dealing with real ASB politics of the day.
                      Last edited by SmartAlex; Mar. 5, 2012, 10:41 AM.

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                      • #51
                        Originally posted by War Admiral View Post
                        True. Also, was the ASB stud book still open in 1943?? It was closed before my time but you could still show unpapered Saddlebreds as late as the 1960s...
                        Not sure when exactly they closed the book, but both Sweetheart on Parade (half Standardbred WGCH 1931-1932) Oak Hill Chief (Half cow pony WGCH 1944-1946) were registered on performance. So, in 1946, when Golden Sovereign was written, the horse could have still been registered on his show ring performance alone.

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                        • #52
                          Originally posted by Kwill View Post
                          In the show ring, he shows in all kinds of classes, including "Ladies Horse," <Snip> He doesn't win the class because "stallions aren't ladies horses and he shouldn't win."
                          Again, historically accurate. Stallions are not allowed to show in Ladies or Junior Exh. Saddlebred classes. She could have shown him in Amateur classes.

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                          • #53
                            Originally posted by SmartAlex View Post
                            Well, they probably aren't more vauable, unless you happen to be trying to buy one from Scripps Miramar Ranch but back then the discrimination against pintos was a reality. That book was written right after Oak Hill Chief, a grandson of a mustang whose half siblings were exhibited as stock horses, won the Five Gaited World's Grand Championship. He was an Overo, and the first/only pinto to win that title.

                            Back in those days, they would dye legs to even up the visual stride (WGCH My-My was shown with a dyed front sock) and dying grey horses into chestnuts with socks (Silver Rocket became The Painted Doll and resumed winning)

                            So, the author was dealing with real ASB politics of the day.
                            Oh, I know that was the reality then. Nowadays, tho', there's an incredible amount of promo in my area (i.e., horses for sale/stallion ads) for ASB and NSH pintos. My impression is that they are very popular now.

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                            • #54
                              Originally posted by SmartAlex View Post
                              Not sure when exactly they closed the book, but both Sweetheart on Parade (half Standardbred WGCH 1931-1932) Oak Hill Chief (Half cow pony WGCH 1944-1946) were registered on performance. So, in 1946, when Golden Sovereign was written, the horse could have still been registered on his show ring performance alone.
                              Your comment brought to mind the fact that Standardbreds were originally called that because they had to trot to a "standard." (Originally a mile in 2:04, I believe). I wonder if that still holds. It certainly provided a ground for racing "The Black Stallion's Sulky Colt." That is, he could be half whatever-the-heck-Arabian-something the Black Stallion was and still be a "Standardbred" trotter. Can STBs still be registered on performance? Anyone? Bueller?? *G*

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                                #55
                                I would like to read a history of horse shows and how they have evolved. Any one know of a book like that?

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                                  #56
                                  Originally posted by SmartAlex View Post
                                  Again, historically accurate. Stallions are not allowed to show in Ladies or Junior Exh. Saddlebred classes. She could have shown him in Amateur classes.
                                  The class was called "Ladies Mount," just for reference. Connie says, "We didn't expect a ribbon this time, for no stallion could really be considered a ladies mount..."

                                  Got that, ladies?

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                                  • #57
                                    Originally posted by Kwill View Post
                                    Yes, but he did show in the class, they just didn't place him, and that was the reason the author gave for why.
                                    no nut check at the gate?

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                                      #58
                                      We can cross-reference this to the biddy thread...

                                      "Some of the contestants who had not heard the stallion was a reformed character cast frightened glances toward Connie and her regal mount, but he was perfectly behaved as the most docile horse present."

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                                      • #59
                                        Originally posted by Sandy M View Post
                                        Oh, I know that was the reality then. Nowadays, tho', there's an incredible amount of promo in my area (i.e., horses for sale/stallion ads) for ASB and NSH pintos. My impression is that they are very popular now.
                                        It depends on the area of the country, and the judge. They are more popular as Pleasure horses and with amateurs. They are, naturally, very popular with the Krazy Kolor Breeder Krowd. As are palominos, buckskins and greys. I can't bring to mind a single pinto or palomino that has been shown, successfully or otherwise, outside the pleasure or jr exhibitor divisions since Oak Hill Chief. They have been popular since the 1940s in the pony divisions. ASB ponies are often cross bred as they do not have to have papers to show in the division. They just have to look the part and measure.

                                        Even Michelle MacFarlane, who is almost single handedly responsible for the popularity of the color in the breed, has, to my knowledge, never tackled the open divisions in Kentucky with a pinto. Although, I believe she shows them outside the pleasure division in her home state of California. Maybe someone else can give an example.

                                        There is a really top quality mare being shown in the Jr. Exhibitor division right now, named Sprinkles.
                                        http://www.uphaonline.com/2009-horses/sprinkles.jpg

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                                          #60
                                          I saw Sprinkles show at Lousiville when they had the live broadcast of the show last year. She is a very impressive mare!

                                          Edit: also "back in the day" they had those parade classes for the palomino saddlebreds, where they wore all that bling -- love those old silver parade saddles with the tapaderos and the fancy bridles and breastplates!


                                          1951 – Austin Indiana – Elsinore Morgan with “Raider” the 1951 Kentucky State Fair Champion. “Raider” was a 9-year old Golden Palomino parade horse and won the Palomino Parade Championship in Indianapolis in the spring of 1951. According to the Scott County Journal (August 7, 1952) the Silver-mounted saddle and equipment used on Raider, was probably the most elaborate parade ensemble being used in the United States.

                                          http://www.leaguelineup.com/miscinfo...a&sid=30248203

                                          Scroll way down the page to see a pic of their outfit.

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