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  • #21
    It wouldn't be COTH without at least one houseguest.

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    • #22
      Oh good Lord Emily - don't you ever stop? How do you ever get ANY work done? Of any kind. Ever.

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      • #23
        This just makes me want to see the video.....

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        • #24
          Originally posted by HappyVagrant View Post
          You need to go read up on Fair Use. The ability to use copyrighted material is not so black and white as you think it is.
          Yeah, I was going to say. If it were that simple there wouldn't be several hundred pages of explanation on http://copyright.gov explaining the various uses, types of protection, length of time content is protected, and things the owner can do that gives up those rights. (Including means of publishing.)

          The quote from YouTube's TOS does NOT prohibit what Mike is doing and there is no reasonable way to interpret it as such. He's pasting a link which takes you to YouTube's server where the video is hosted. He is NOT removing the video, embedding the video, illegally copying it, or in any way distributing it. He's directing viewers ONTO YOUTUBE'S SERVER. If linking to a youtube video were illegal, every single news service in the world and 99% of the internet would be in violation, plus, that would kind of defeat the entire purpose of YouTube, which is to post and share videos. The only way people would find anything on it would be random seraches or subscribing to YouTube channels. DISTRIBUTION means "distributing", not 'directing people to the content on our servers.' If you don't want people linking, rather than embedding, to a youtube video, you set it on private/requires a direct link so only people you send can, find it. (If you then publish that link publically, you just defeated the purpose.)

          As far as comments on YouTube go, they can and will tell you to just disable them. Easy peasy.

          Also, the right to sue means precisely nothing. Anyone can sue anyone else over anything they want if they can find a lawyer willing to take their money. The court will not even necessarily review the law--they may just look at the case, find it has no merits, and throw it out. "I have the right to sue over this" is not the equivalent of saying "the law is on my side."

          In this case, if Facebook has anti-harrassment policies, it falls under that. If they embedded the video, they are violating FB's TOS. That's not an OMG COPYRIGHT video (as FB's terms are a tad fuzzy on that anyway--heck, check out Cracked this week for what you're actually signing away when you post content on most of these sites), that's a violation of FB's TOS issue.

          And unless everyone concerned is twelve, grow up. Your letter wasn't bullying but it certainly was very middle school. Don't encourage seventh-grade behavior by making it blindingly obvious it gets to you.
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          • #25
            Originally posted by lcw579 View Post
            This just makes me want to see the video.....
            Ditto
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            • #26
              If I recall the video was probably best left off the net, same for the continued sniping, but I'm really curious about the FB/Youtube linking now.

              I get that you can't take others' videos or photos and upload them to any of your media sites (FB, youtube, flickr, etc.)

              Even without going into embedding, if you do exactly what Mike does (paste the direct youtube link as text) in FB, it makes it look embedded in your thread. In other words, it doesn't look like "http://www.youtube . . ." text as it would on COTH, but it actually shows a little thumbnail that your FB friends can just play. There is also a "watch on youtube" option for largescreen, etc., but either way it is hosted on youtube.

              Is doing that--pasting the direct link on your FB status--a TOS violation? It is certainly ubiquitous, and in some ways both technologies appear to encourage it (YT with all its embed options, FB with converting it to a thumbnail video). I'm not trying to take the responsibillity off of users, but if that is not allowed, clearly nobody is aware yet.

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              • #27
                A bit.....astonished, I think would be the word.

                As a long time COTH'er -- this thread concerns me. Two concerns, actually. First:

                Pasting links is so commonly done, by so many MILLIONS of people, all day long, every day -- to try and stop the practice completely would truly be the definition of insanity.

                I should think having permission, i.e., knowing someone is linking to your very own video or picture, would be sufficient. Unless you are doing it with malicious intent, or in order to make comments and bully. My friends and I share links all the time and we help one another by doing that.

                More importantly, my second concern here:

                Bottom line, the video of Em's was posted at one time and she allowed some to see it, for whatever reason. The video's quality, or subject matter, really is not the issue. It is the decisions that others make to comment on the subject matter that is the purpose of the thread and the issue at hand. The comments made and the way they were made constituted bullying, and were very dismaying and quite frankly, rude. I was aghast when I read down through the original messages and ashamed I was a horse person with these others who were "horse people". I am hopeful they have learned their lesson and understood that:

                First and foremost ----

                A) NO MATTER WHO THE PERSON IS, or what they have done,

                BULLYING IS NOT OK.

                B) If you link to, copy, or take someone else's property, be aware it could be illegal or at best, inconsiderate, without permission.

                And finally, C) We utilize COTH for our own opinions all the time on any subject. One should never criticize another COTH'er for bringing up any subject or discussing anything that involves their own horse. If you own it, you get to have the say. That's kind of what I think. Trying to make someone shutup or continuously making comments about "junior high" is simply yet another form of bullying. Really. If you don't want to read the thread here, GO AWAY and find another thread you do like.
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                • #28
                  Originally posted by Beam Me Up View Post
                  Is doing that--pasting the direct link on your FB status--a TOS violation? It is certainly ubiquitous, and in some ways both technologies appear to encourage it (YT with all its embed options, FB with converting it to a thumbnail video). I'm not trying to take the responsibillity off of users, but if that is not allowed, clearly nobody is aware yet.
                  Not as rule, as far as I can see.

                  The limits they have are very specific and are about behavior (e.g. no harrassment) and about not infringing rights.

                  So someone would have to prove that posting a generic link to another site is infringement, and that would be a very, very interesting court case to watch.

                  The entire internet would shut down if you couldn't post links -- search engines couldn't function, etc. So, not likely, in my non-lawyer opinion.

                  Of course, an individual can argue that *a specific* link constitutes infringement, and there are cases where something that was allowed in general was not allowed in specific cases. But again -- complex and very dependent on the individual circumstances.

                  So, whether or not posting a link to someone else's content is infringment? As far as I can tell: it depends.

                  But even if Person A files a copyright infringement claim with FB, and FB removes the content as a result, that does not actually mean that Person B in fact infringed upon the copyright of Person A.

                  All it really means is that FB thinks there may be a chance that Person A's claim has merit and they are acting according to the DMCA requirements. If Person B files a counterclaim (and Person B has that right), FB will essentially tell them both to go duke it out in court.

                  It's always good to think about what you're posting, how you're using it, whether your use of someone else's content is fair and valid, etc, but I can say with 100% confidence that I won't be changing anything about the way I link stuff in FB based on what the OP is saying here. And I have no fear of legions of copyright lawyers coming after me, either.

                  But, you know, I am not a lawyer, this is not legal advice, this is a layman's interpretation and personal conclusion, etc.
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                  • #29
                    Just to address the YouTube/FB issue:
                    It is perfectly within FB's terms and conditions to post a link to a public YouTube video. As others have said, this will be embedded in the poster's timeline and can be played from within the newsfeed.

                    If you don't want others to post a link to your YouTube video, make it private and specify people allowed to view it by entering their email addresses.

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by retreadeventer View Post
                      First and foremost ----

                      A) NO MATTER WHO THE PERSON IS, or what they have done,

                      BULLYING IS NOT OK.
                      You Mah Hero, lady.

                      (FWIW, I believe the antagonizer is a teen/young adult, if memory serves)

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                      • #31
                        Reading further on YouTube's TOS:

                        6. Your Content and Conduct
                        . . .
                        C. For clarity, you retain all of your ownership rights in your Content. However, by submitting Content to YouTube, you hereby grant YouTube a worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free, sublicenseable and transferable license to use, reproduce, distribute, prepare derivative works of, display, and perform the Content in connection with the Service and YouTube's (and its successors' and affiliates') business, including without limitation for promoting and redistributing part or all of the Service (and derivative works thereof) in any media formats and through any media channels. You also hereby grant each user of the Service a non-exclusive license to access your Content through the Service, and to use, reproduce, distribute, display and perform such Content as permitted through the functionality of the Service and under these Terms of Service. The above licenses granted by you in video Content you submit to the Service terminate within a commercially reasonable time after you remove or delete your videos from the Service. You understand and agree, however, that YouTube may retain, but not display, distribute, or perform, server copies of your videos that have been removed or deleted. The above licenses granted by you in user comments you submit are perpetual and irrevocable.
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                        • #32
                          Apropos of nothing, Mad Mare, I just thumbed through your brow bands. YUMMY.
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                          • #33
                            I have retained a highly paid team of Harvard and Yale lawyers to ensure CotH readers continue to get their daily dose of equine videos from Mr. YouTube.
                            "No matter how well you perform there's always somebody of intelligent opinion who thinks it's lousy." - Laurence Olivier

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                            • #34
                              Originally posted by Mike Matson View Post
                              I have retained a highly paid team of Harvard and Yale lawyers to ensure CotH readers continue to get their daily dose of equine videos from Mr. YouTube.

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                              • #35
                                Being chosen by Mike for COTH posting must be like winning an Oscar.
                                "Aye God, Woodrow..."

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                                • #36
                                  "No matter how well you perform there's always somebody of intelligent opinion who thinks it's lousy." - Laurence Olivier

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                                  • #37
                                    Originally posted by Long Spot View Post
                                    Being chosen by Mike for COTH posting must be like winning an Oscar.
                                    Again, we need that "like" button. Mr. Mike posts some great ones.
                                    "Truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it and ignorance may deride it, but, in the end, there it is." Sir Winston Churchhill

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                                    • #38
                                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WVnLc-6VaU

                                      I dunno, which bullying is worse, letting goats on your farm or nasty You Tube comments?

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                                      • #39
                                        Originally posted by magnolia73 View Post
                                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WVnLc-6VaU

                                        I dunno, which bullying is worse, letting goats on your farm or nasty You Tube comments?
                                        That video...what is going on?
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                                        • #40
                                          Originally posted by magnolia73 View Post
                                          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WVnLc-6VaU

                                          I dunno, which bullying is worse, letting goats on your farm or nasty You Tube comments?
                                          What I don't get is the commentary below the video. How is someone letting their goats run at large in general bullying? It's bad form and the property owners should take the issue up with animal control, but free-roaming goats owned by annoying neighbors would probably happen whether or not the property owner had autism. (Paranoia, however, is an Asperger's/high-functioning-autistic trait...)

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