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  • #21
    I certainly won't go far afield this summer. I have a big pick-em-up also and we are limiting our drives. We live 30 miles from town and you better believe I have lists of my lists on where to go and how best to get there!!

    Matter of fact, I told hubby of someone on my FB page who is using her draft crosses (I can't remember what breed(s)) for all sorts of things around her home. That could be us IF I can find some nice horses that aren't already lamed or priced too high. Around here, I could ride to the neighbors or even the few miles to the little grocery store, in a pinch. Hubby could even ride to his work, except, once there, there isn't a place to stall a horse while he's working.

    Yeah, I was wondering what the 'gas vent' was also. I have my two mini dachsies and they are "perfumey" at times. Wow...
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    • #22
      Believe it or not, my SO's F350 dually gets better mileage than my gas truck. Why? Well, because it's a 8.1L engine that Chevy offers and can tow a house, but it's a hungry beastie. Costs less to fill it up by about $20-$30, but I do it more often, so we drive his when we go places together.

      As the weather improves, I'll use my motorcycle for local stuff (going to work). It'll offset the SO's rodeo'ing this summer. Both trucks will be paid off this year at least. And yes, I did consider trading mine in for a Ford Focus or similar, but then realized I'd be without a truck to pull the little trailer for emergencies when SO is gone to said rodeos. Sad little gas-guzzling pickle us horsefolks are trapped in, huh?
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      • #23
        Originally posted by Arizona DQ View Post
        I wonder how much it costs to keep a horse in Europe opposed to many of us who can keep their horse in our backyards?
        A lot less.

        European standards require cars and trucks to be much more fuel efficient, and they tow Brenderup style trailers. I get 15mpg with 2 horses in my B'up, pulled by a 4Runner. Lots of my friends get 8mpg or less with their trucks and heavy steel trailers.

        Then there's the fact that there are a lot more horse shows in Europe, in a smaller area, and they're not run by money-making businesses. In other words, the fees are much, much lower. I used to be able to go to a show, enter 6 classes, and win enough money back to pay the entries and transport in one day. No paid braiders or any of the other adds-up-quick "requirements" of showing there.

        Lastly, many people in the UK at least show off pasture - they don't have the expense of keeping horses in stalls, and grass grows year round. Feed costs are much lower too.

        I couldn't believe how much it cost to own a horse in the US when I moved here. Painful.
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        • #24
          I just calculated how much it'd cost me to haul 2 horses to a local show venue an hour away, compared to my friend, at current gas price of $3.85 here.

          Her: F350. 6 mpg towing a steel trailer: $28.87
          Me: 4runner. 15mpg towing a Brenderup: $11.55

          To head out 3.5 hours to another venue?

          Her: $118.70
          Me: $47.48

          That's less than half... I can see why you guys are complaining now...

          Those who hate them need to rethink the Brenderup-like trailer thing!
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          • #25
            Of course, the average brenderup costs a bit more then the average regular two horse. Therefore, if you're going to make the arguement that you're saving SO much by having the brenderup, keep in mind that you have to pay down the startup costs first.

            For us, a large truck wasn't negotiable because we have to haul hay and do other farm maintenance. Ergo, if we were just going by price per haul, yes, you're saving more than we are, but if we have to have the vehicle anyway and we're only talking about hauling, it's going to take much longer to pay down the average brenderup versus the average two horse.

            Obviously, YMMV - but it's not as simple as Brenderup = economical!!! There are other factors beyond the fuel cost/savings.
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            • #26
              Xanthoria--your F350 diesel gets 6 MPG? Mine gets like 15-18 hauling (2H trailer), 20-22 without. It is definitely still expensive to run, and it costs $100 to fill, but it isn't quite that bad.

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              • #27
                Oh my - I didn't see 6 mpg! Ours gets between 11-13 hauling our 2-horse gooseneck. Perhaps if your friend were to re-evaluate her rig it wouldn't be quite so egregious.
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                • #28
                  Counting my blessings we have scores of near by shows around this area to attend.

                  I have a freebie show @ Plantation from a cancellation last season. I will stick to very local XC schools (15 mile haul from barn?) and HT's as well.
                  "Truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it and ignorance may deride it, but, in the end, there it is." Sir Winston Churchhill

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by Xanthoria View Post
                    A lot less.

                    European standards require cars and trucks to be much more fuel efficient, and they tow Brenderup style trailers. I get 15mpg with 2 horses in my B'up, pulled by a 4Runner. Lots of my friends get 8mpg or less with their trucks and heavy steel trailers.

                    Then there's the fact that there are a lot more horse shows in Europe, in a smaller area, and they're not run by money-making businesses. In other words, the fees are much, much lower. I used to be able to go to a show, enter 6 classes, and win enough money back to pay the entries and transport in one day. No paid braiders or any of the other adds-up-quick "requirements" of showing there.

                    Lastly, many people in the UK at least show off pasture - they don't have the expense of keeping horses in stalls, and grass grows year round. Feed costs are much lower too.

                    I couldn't believe how much it cost to own a horse in the US when I moved here. Painful.
                    I've always adored European style horse care. There's so much to be desired.
                    "Truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it and ignorance may deride it, but, in the end, there it is." Sir Winston Churchhill

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                      #30
                      I am somewhat happier now. Last night I found outone of the local shows will offer Stock Horse classes and trail classes! Hopefully, this will help fill the void I was feeling about not being able to travel. I really hope something is done about gas prices since, feed, hay and groceries will also be going up. I am hoping that a god hybrid truck will be developed that can pull like my F350.

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                      • #31
                        I just sold my 4 horse and want a 2 horse. My pickup gets pretty good mileage, seems like 22 or so, I really don't remember. But pulling the 4 horse was like pulling a sled. I don't want nor need four horses, so, when the opportunity came up to sell the thing, off it went. I'll find a nifty 2 horse somewhere. Actually, I don't know if I really need a trailer at all now. The vet is down the road the a bit (about a mile as the crow flies), if I need her. I'm not going to show. I'm only intending on trail and plunking around. Hubby's friend said if I needed to haul, I could use his 2 horse.

                        Yep, I'm at that stage....
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                        • #32
                          Originally posted by Trixie View Post
                          Of course, the average brenderup costs a bit more then the average regular two horse. Therefore, if you're going to make the arguement that you're saving SO much by having the brenderup, keep in mind that you have to pay down the startup costs first.

                          For us, a large truck wasn't negotiable because we have to haul hay and do other farm maintenance. Ergo, if we were just going by price per haul, yes, you're saving more than we are, but if we have to have the vehicle anyway and we're only talking about hauling, it's going to take much longer to pay down the average brenderup versus the average two horse.

                          Obviously, YMMV - but it's not as simple as Brenderup = economical!!! There are other factors beyond the fuel cost/savings.
                          I actually compared prices for 6-8 brands of trailer with large stalls for WB sized horses and some were a couple grand cheaper, some were s couple grand more expensive than the most expensive B'up. So I found they're not crazily expensive as some say. It does sound like over the lifetime of the trailer a couple grand more on a B'up would pay for itself in gas savings pretty quickly.

                          The other pro about saving gas is you're "saving the environment" too - its a moral choice if that floats your boat. It does mine!

                          I've hauled hay with the Brenderup but I'm sue there are things you'd want a massive truck for - I can't think if any right now as I've never needed one.
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                          • #33
                            Originally posted by Beam Me Up View Post
                            Xanthoria--your F350 diesel gets 6 MPG? Mine gets like 15-18 hauling (2H trailer), 20-22 without. It is definitely still expensive to run, and it costs $100 to fill, but it isn't quite that bad.
                            Not mine! But aside from her I know a few people with trucks in the 6-10mpg range. Cost more to buy a new truck do they have to keep going w what they have.
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                            • #34
                              I think you would be hard pressed to call the 2-4 mpg difference a "moral choice," really (that seems really excessive, considering that we're talking about burning a fair amount of fuel either way to go ride horses for pleasure). Also, it seems it would be an awfully long time before you made up that difference. If I were getting 6, I might consider it, but I don't know anyone that gets 6 mpg hauling a small horse trailer.

                              You haul round bales in your brenderup? When I say we haul hay, I mean we can get between 50-100 bales in a load (depending on whether or not we use an attached trailer) or two round bales (no attached trailer). I'm afraid I can't see fitting that into a Brenderup and then attempting to haul it with a 4-Runner.

                              I've found that used Brenderups seem to run from around $8-10K around here unless you find a VERY good deal. A comparably sized used two horse can run significantly less because there are simply more of them.

                              It's sort of whatever works for your situation. I'd leave "moral choice" out of it, though.
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                              • #35
                                I'm comparing my 15mpg towing to my friends 6-10mpg towing. That's 5-9mpg difference.

                                Over the course of a year where I could estimate easily towing for 200 miles per month, 2400 miles per year, at the current price of fuel here ($3.85) that's up to $925 per year more expensive to drive, and uses up to 400 gallons more fuel.

                                Yes I have friends with 2 horse trailers who get 6mpg or even less - I'm not kidding. Buying a new truck to get better fuel eficiency obviously makes no sense in those instances: spend $30k to save $925? Nah. Not to mention the environmental cost of manufacturing new vehicles.

                                I don't haul round bales, but I could pull 5000 pounds of almost anything with a cheap flatbed trailer. And allegedly you can get 30 square bales in a Brenderup!

                                I can also easily find a parking spot in the city where I live - big trucks can't do that. But horses for courses! My rig works beautifully for me, as I am sure yours does for you.
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                                • #36
                                  Originally posted by Xanthoria View Post
                                  I don't haul round bales, but I could pull 5000 pounds of almost anything with a cheap flatbed trailer. And allegedly you can get 30 square bales in a Brenderup!
                                  Yeah, I think anyone who's hauling horses for their personal enjoyment can pretty much kiss the moral high road good bye. Just imagine all of the gas you could save if you didn't haul.

                                  Also, I can get 28 bales in the bed of my truck and 200 bales in my trailer. Hauling hay 30 bales at a time just wouldn't cut it for me, especially when we have 1K-1500 bales laying out in the field at a time.

                                  In gas related news, my parents just bought a F250 had had it refitted to run off of CNG, which is about $2.50/gal equivalent. Of course, when you can't fill up with CNG, you can always run it off of gas.
                                  It remains to be seen how economical it is when hauling, but as a daily driver it sure is cheaper.

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                                  • #37
                                    Originally posted by amm2cd View Post
                                    Yeah, I think anyone who's hauling horses for their personal enjoyment can pretty much kiss the moral high road good bye. Just imagine all of the gas you could save if you didn't haul.
                                    Do you mean people shouldn't haul horses unless they're doing it professionally? Surely recreational spending on horses keeps a lot of people in jobs - not least the facilities people haul the horses to.
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                                    • #38
                                      Originally posted by Janet View Post
                                      Even $5/gal is less than most of western Europe.

                                      Glad I live where I can compete locally.
                                      Must of Europe's cost per gallon is due to high taxes, not actual cost. in the UK they have a Duty( Tax) + VAT + so what they pay in taxes = about 50% +- of the actual cost. In the US we pay less taxes (for now)

                                      Back in the 70's the Carter administration imposed the 55 MPH speed limit to save fuel -now we have 65 - 75 MPH. We all know that if the speed limit is 65 people will drive 75 and so on back then it proved to conserve fuel, thus the demand dropped. Now there is little to 0 talk of it or they UP the MPH.

                                      Me I've never been a speed demon so driving slower 60MPH is fine w/ me and if it saves on fuel costs all the better.

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                                      • #39
                                        FWIW, our truck was well under $10K - and it's not as if a 4Runner is cheap. If you're buying new, the 4-Runner starts at about $30K, the F-250 at the same price.

                                        If I had to do 30 square bales at a time because I didn't have access to a truck for roundbales, it would add up to your $925 QUICK. Ditto for the massive load of fence boards we got earlier this year, or the railroad ties I'm about to pick up. And the several loads of branches and scraps from where that tree fell down that we took to the dump. Etc.

                                        I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with a Brenderup. I'm just saying that not every truck gets "6 mpg" when hauling, therefore, your comparison leaves out a large number of alternative rigs - therefore, it's somewhat faulty math. Your personal situation might be more economical than your particular friends, but that isn't the same thing as a Brenderup/SUV actually being more economical overall (or more "moral").

                                        Then that makes it more of a personal preference. Get what works for your situation, but you'd be hard pressed to convince most of us that a Brenderup/4 Runner combination is really that efficient (and cost effective) as a farm vehicle. Maybe just for towing, and in my case, not by much. Especially not once you add in the delivery fees for all the things I could no longer do myself.

                                        There have been a lot of things over the last few years when we were very grateful to have the truck. I have a smaller SUV also, but it simply doesn't compare for hauling certain things.
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                                        • #40
                                          Originally posted by Xanthoria View Post
                                          Do you mean people shouldn't haul horses unless they're doing it professionally? Surely recreational spending on horses keeps a lot of people in jobs - not least the facilities people haul the horses to.
                                          Not at all. What I mean is that there is no 'moral superiority' to choosing one rig over another to save a few mpg. You can pat yourself on the back all you want for 15 mpg, but let's face it, that's gas that you didn't have to use in the first place.


                                          The "saves gas" morality BS grates on most of us truck owners, especially when some Prius driving dipwad chastises us for wasting fuel... Then I imagine dropping my gooseneck on the back of their little car, and my day gets a whole lot better (not to mention I can drive my truck for 12 years before my carbon footprint equals a prius, but that's neither here nor there).

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